Tony Miano’s Ministry of Honor, Genuine Love, and Righteousness by Truthful Speech? Or Not?

***

Does Tony Miano’s ministry show kindness, genuine love, truthful speech and honor, or is he heralding slander instead of God’s Holy Word?

***

 

We put no obstacle in anyone’s way, so that no fault may be found with our ministry, but as servants of God we commend ourselves in every way: by great endurance, in afflictions, hardships, calamities, beatings, imprisonments, riots, labors, sleepless nights, hunger; by purity, knowledge, patience, kindness, the Holy Spirit, genuine love;  by truthful speech, and the power of God; with the weapons of righteousness for the right hand and for the left; through honor and dishonor, through slander and praise.  

2 Corinthians 6

***

Tony Miano can probably relate with a lot of the above verses.  He is now awaiting trial in Scotland for his recent arrest while he was open air preaching there. He is facing possible imprisonment, perhaps sleepless nights. He clearly knows what scripture says about the challenges, potential harm and persecution that may befall him as he evangelizes, especially on foreign soil. But as an evangelist, he also has a responsibility as he heralds God’s Word and represents Christ. Miano not only stands on a platform when he open air preaches, he has a platform in the form of a broadcast that he does at Cross Encounters Radio.

Last weekend, Miano advertised that his show was going to discuss discernment bloggers. Here was a tweet from Saturday advertising Sunday’s show:

***

Tony Miano, Chuck O'Neal Screen Shot 2014-04-01 at 12.45.01 PM

***

In the image below, the top tweet was published while the show was on the air and the two tweets beneath were sent after the show was over.

***

Tony Miano, Chuck O'Neal Screen Shot 2014-04-01 at 12.36.05 PM

***

Here are some of the tweets posted since the show was broadcast. You can see that the discernment “bloggers” he takes issue with is really me, a single blogger. There was no other discernment blogger mentioned in any of his tweets that I have seen:

***

Tony Miano Screen Shot 2014-04-01 at 12.34.58 PM

 

***

Chuck O’Neal of Beaverton Grace Bible Church, my former pastor who sued me and four others for defamation for $500,000, was interviewed for this show. It was difficult for me to listen to for a number of reasons. Anyone listening to the broadcast is essentially told that if you listen to me, JA, you are aiding and abetting Satan. You might just want to click that little x in the corner of your screen right now lest you find yourself in the fiery depths of hell along with me, the alleged Apostate.

A kind reader transcribed some words from Miano about me (remember, the show was advertised to be about discernment bloggers – plural):

Tony 47:18-  “I have personally gone to people who seem to be enamored with her and try to explain to them what she’s doing and have been ignored by them, or rebuked, or, uh, basically told don’t ever talk to me again, uh, because I’ve asked them to be more discerning about following this particular discernment blogger. So…she’s one of the worst of the worst. And it is only right since I have first hand knowledge of her activity, and don’t have to go by hearsay or innuendo, um, it’s only right that we should warn Christians to stay away from her. Uh, to not have anything to do with her, to not read her blog, to not friend her on twitter, don’t follow her on twitter. You are aiding and abetting the enemy.”

Tony 48:56-  “She is simply a vicious woman who is looking to attack somebody.”

Tony 53:04-  “She is an enemy of the bible. And so someone who makes it so obvious through their blog that they hate people and that they hate the truth of the word of God, these are the kind of discernment bloggers that should be avoided at all cost.

Tony 69:14-  “No matter how clear the water may seem in other areas with Julie Anne Smith, there is a poison, a deadly poison in what she does that you should not even pick up the glass, let alone take a sip, of what Julie Anne Smith calls ministry.

Tony 90:44-  “Again, we want you to avoid her at all cost, uh, because she is, uh, not a godly woman, needs to be saved.

Tony 91:40-   It is the law and the gospel that will stop the mouth of people like Julie Anne, if God doesn’t give her over completely to her sin and so harden her heart like he did with Pharaoh, uh, that she’ll never be saved. Uh, she may be apostate, uh, at this time. She tasted uh, uh, of the things of God, the presence of the Holy Spirit, the, the communion of the saints, the teaching of the word of God and she has turned her back on it. Uh, even though she has not publicly said I denounce Jesus Christ, everything about what she does on-line shows a denouncement of Jesus Christ, and the word of God says that people like that, uh, never come back. But our hope is that she will. Our hope is that we will see Julie Anne in heaven one day.”

Ok, you get the idea of the whole broadcast. But this is what I found quite interesting:

It’s important to note that while Tony Miano’s show was about discernment bloggers and urging Christians to be careful about who they listen to or read, Miano himself failed to do due diligence and fact check.  Miano told his audience to be discerning. Let’s see how discerning he was.  

Since the airing of show, Miano has tweeted quite a bit about me. I did not find the references about me to be accurate. I’d like to highlight just one example of an inaccuracy and allow you the opportunity to discern for yourself. We will start with this tweet in which Miano names me very clearly:

***

 

Tony Miano, Chuck O'Neal Screen Shot 2014-04-01 at 8.02.57 AM

***

Ok, so that tweet reads that I liken John MacArthur and John Piper to Islamic clerics who condone wife-beating. The #CER refers to Miano’s Cross Encounters Radio show and then we see the link to the broadcast here.

Here is what Chuck O’Neal said on the broadcast from which Miano pulled the words for his tweet:

She likens John MacArthur, John Piper, C.J. Mahaney and Chuck Smith to Islamic clerics who condone wife beating – just insane accusation because of their commitment to God’s design for the home. Their commitment to God’s design for Biblical roles for a husband and a wife.  (This was around the 55:30 min. mark)

It appears that Miano did a good job of taking the words from O’Neal (he did have to truncate it a bit and leave off names due to Twitter’s character limitations), but Miano got O’Neal’s message well.

In the broadcast, Chuck O’Neal references his own personal blog post he published about me in which he cherry picks quotes, tweets, articles from my blog or on Twitter to paint me in a way that he wants to present to others. The problem is that Chuck O’Neal has repeatedly shown to have poor reading skills and because of that, he comes to wrong conclusions.  

So where did O’Neal get the information for his blog post?  I remember the first time I read O’Neal’s words from his blog on this topic and it left me puzzled.  I’ve never written anything about John MacArthur connected with Islamic clerics, so I did a keyword search on my blog and found this article – the only article in which Islamic clerics are mentioned:   Are Christian Leaders Condoning Islam’s Rules for Wife Beating?? (Feel free to search for yourself in the right side bar.)

So here’s the part where I’d like you to be discerning.  You tell me:

  • What is the essence of the message in the article?
  • Where did Chuck O’Neal find John MacArthur and John Piper mentioned and who wrote that material?  Did I write it?
  • Did Chuck O’Neal accurately represent my words to Miano and the world in the broadcast?
  • Did Chuck O’Neal accurately represent the gist of the article?
  • Does it appear that Miano looked at the source document to see if his friend accurately portrayed me, or did he blindly trust his friend?

Let me remind you of Miano’s words.  He says he has gone to people to warn them about me. He tells THEM to be discerning.  He says he doesn’t go by hearsay or innuendo.

“I have personally gone to people who seem to be enamored with her and try to explain to them what she’s doing and have been ignored by them, or rebuked, or, uh, basically told don’t ever talk to me again, uh, because I’ve asked them to be more discerning about following this particular discernment blogger. So…she’s one of the worst of the worst. And it is only right since I have first hand knowledge of her activity, and don’t have to go by hearsay or innuendo, um, it’s only right that we should warn Christians to stay away from her. Uh, to not have anything to do with her, to not read her blog, to not friend her on twitter, don’t follow her on twitter. You are aiding and abetting the enemy.”

Crosstalk Encounters Radio is Tony Miano’s ministry effort. He will have to answer to God for his words and behavior on social media.  He will have to answer to his donors who support his full-time ministry and to his new church elders at Grace Community Church.  I hope he can find the right and godly answers.

**

 

 

117 comments on “Tony Miano’s Ministry of Honor, Genuine Love, and Righteousness by Truthful Speech? Or Not?

  1. This is pathetic. He is so desperate to be accepted by Christian pastors, any pastors, he even kisses up to Chuck O’Neal by maligning you. Wonder who rebuked him when he criticized you? He doesn’t drop those names.

    Like

  2. Reading this caused every vein in my forehead to snap. These two are like a gang of vicious dogs, forever attacking and biting you, growling and barking all hours of the day and night. Do these bozos think they are fooling Jesus?

    Like

  3. Julie Anne, IGNORE THEM! They will continue their diatribes as long as you even respond. Block them from you twitter account, and, if you can, from even reading your blog. And do not even reference them again if you can avoid it. They are evil men, angry because you tell the truth about them. Shake the dust off your feet, slam the door on them and let God deal with them. For these kinds of attacks show that they are not likely to be there when you get to heaven!

    Like

  4. I’ll drop in a quote from Anne Lamott…

    “You can safely assume you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”

    Like

  5. And, since I can’t edit the post above, I don’t consider this a “discernment blog”… Although you do occasionally go there… Those have a very different agenda.

    Like

  6. Thanks for letting us know about this. I listened to the CER show. While I agree with An Attorney about letting God deal with people such as O”Neal and Miano (who just broadcasted to the world (and their very small audience) the fact that two professing Christian men who claim to love God and desire to be more like Him, spent OVER 50 MINUTES (who does that?–who has time to do that?–most people work FT…oh, I forgot) talking about one person, and, in my opinion, appearing to enjoy it a bit too much), I also think it’s very important to pick your battles and defend the big ones in the here and now. It helps others, and is a good example for your children to see.

    Like

  7. If nothing else, Miano is guilty of false advertising. He said he would talk about discernment bloggerS, but it seems he mentioned only you, Julie Anne. 😉

    But this might not be a failure of due diligence, or an unwillingness to fact check. Maybe Miano’s just being consistent. He tells everyone else not to read your blog, and to set a good example, he follows his own advice. He doesn’t read SSB, not even to fact check against O’Neal’s kook spew. After all, Miano doesn’t want to catch your demonic cooties, now does he?

    Mind you, O’Neal lurks at your blog (as he obviously did in prep for CER, snatching at words and names from one article and mashing them together ad hoc). Does that mean he’s tainted by demon cooties, according to Miano? Is he guilty of “aiding and abetting the enemy”?

    So much wingnuttery, so little time…

    (/mock-mock-mock)

    Like

  8. What’s really disturbing is the LACK of any kind of biblical support for Miano and Oneal’s chastising of you…it’s all based on opinion. Why didn’t Miano ‘chastise’ you BEFORE he befriended Oneal? Hmmm….I agree with ‘an attorney’, ignore these two. God will indeed deal with them and their malice. Apparently neither of these men obey the word of God do they? We are called to love one another, forgive one another, & put off all malice, “Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice” Ephesians 4:31.
    This whole circus act by these two men remind me of Acts 5:38, ” And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought.” IF they belonged to God, He would chastise them and repentance would be the end result. However, it seems this is nothing more than a carry-over, a ‘get even’ attempt by your former pastor against you; he’s involved Miano to conceal his ‘behind the scenes’ involvement.

    It’s quite obvious the ones who need to be avoided are Miano and Oneal; it’s shameful they claim to be ‘men of God’ and ‘preachers of righteousness’, and yet, they viciously attack and belittle. In this post – http://iamhis-lyn.blogspot.com/2014/03/more-harmful-evangelism.html
    I watched Miano attack, once again, a sinner at the abortion clinic. Miano tells the man to ‘man up’ and get a job. That’s ironic, Miano himself quit his cop job in 2000, stayed on for an additional seven years on a voluntary basis, and now tells everyone he ‘retired’ after twenty years of service. If my math is correct, he only has 13 years of service, and he ‘quit’, he didn’t retire. Miano lives off donated $$ while he spends his days viciously, maliciously attacking others. How is Christ exalted and glorified in that? These two men are not what they claim to be, their continued attacks, their arrogance, their ceaseless attempts to belittle, to get even, to set themselves up as both Judge and juror over others are not distinguishable trademarks of a humble follower of Christ. BTW Tony, continually claiming how ‘humble’ you are doesn’t make you humble. God works humility in His own, from within. Holding to a ‘right doctrine’ doesn’t mean one is saved. The ‘fruit’ from both these men is very, very telling…..

    Like

  9. JA, This is a great marketing opportunity for you! You just need to beat them to the punch! If these two bozos want to make “Julie Ann is a dangerous woman” into an industry, you need to trademark your name! You could have an entire industry of tee-shirts, ” Julie Ann Castrates Men”, bumper stickers, “Julie Ann Hate Your Children”, and book bags, ” Julie Ann: anti-Christ?”. You have free advertising from these “Godly”(snark) men and you take home the profits! Now most people will ask, “Who the hell is Julie Ann?” Who cares? You can make that into a game, ” Who the Hell is Julie Ann and Why You Must Keep Your Women Away From Her”. You could become filthy rich like, um, a mega pastor! Then you could start your own church and publish a book, like ” Why Men Shouldn’t Preach”. You would have a gazillion followers, all to the thanks of O’Neal and Milano. See they are trying to help you! Or, you can keep on doing the good work you do here. 🙂 Keep your chin up. (Disclaimer: for those who don’t get it-this is humor. Those pitiful clowns are not worth the energy to hate on).

    Like

  10. Those two men don’t seem to be getting enough attention. They are always clamoring for more. Honestly, to me, they sound like two women gossiping over the fence while their wet laundry sours in the basket waiting to be hung out to dry. They have become what they claim others are.

    An entire radio show given to their drivel!!

    Like

  11. just a couple more things….
    Miano claims Julie Anne is ‘bound for hell’; he’s breaking his own rules from a post he penned from on the box – http://www.onthebox.us/2011/04/should-christians-question-salvation-of.html. In his own words “Again, we do not have the right or authority to declare someone saved or unsaved. But we do have the freedom, even the obligation, to warn people to question the authenticity of their faith in Christ if they are not bearing fruit in keeping with repentance.”
    Miano points to JA’s ‘sinful behavior’, but he gives no evidence of just what this sinful behavior is.

    Chuck Oneal, here’s a quick definition of ‘slander’ for you – ‘the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person’s reputation’. I sure hope you make a mental note of that! {hint, ‘spoken’}

    Like

  12. Talk about poison! I’d also like to know who rebuked them to their faces. They are fearful of losing their money and power. This stuff makes me wary about listening to anyone who writes spiritual books or pastors for a living. They should be living real lives. They will certainly be judged. Power to Julie Anne!

    Like

  13. Oh…regarding the mystery radio show host (mrsh) he mentioned on the show. I am wondering- why the non name? He places mrsh in the undiscerning camp now and hardly concealed his disappointment and sadness that mrsh tweeted with and supported Julie Anne and failed to heed his *do not read/tweet/FB with this person* demand/request.

    Since Miano claims anyone who reads Julie Anne’s blog is “aiding and abetting the enemy” (O’Neal- he is talking about you), why doesn’t Miano share the name of mrsh with us – if nothing else as a warning to be discerning when listening to the mrsh?

    Miano claims we must be discerning…it’s important to be discerning…I will spend my entire show on discernment bloggerSSSS (talking about only one)…YET–he fails to give us the info we need to be discerning about mrsh…the host’s name. Interesting.

    Like

  14. This was an awkward post to do because I am the subject of the wrath. I get that. I get that I will always be the subject of O’Neal’s wrath. That is his nature. I expect nothing less. But I did not do this article because it was about me. I did this article because these men are doing what many abusers do. They put themselves in a position of authority and tell others how to think. Miano exhorts people to be discerning, yet he fails to discern in the most basic way. And then he uses his media platform to push the kind of vile he has in his heart that came out very clearly in the broadcast.

    While he tells people to discern, THEY (Miano/O’Neal) decided for other people whom they should listen to. They become their Holy Spirit. They get to proclaim that *IF* you listen/read to whomever they deem as evil, you are now conspiring with Satan. It’s all black/white. You don’t get to have a different opinion. They don’t give you a choice whether or not to believe them. If you go against their way of thinking, you are aiding and abetting Satan. This is how spiritual abusers work.

    I did this article because Miano’s broadcast shows very clearly how these men are not grounded in truth, but in anger and hate. This is the title of broadcast: Is Abortion a ‘Life-Sustaining Act?’ However, in looking at Miano’s tweets, it’s clear what he thinks the broadcast’s primary focus is – ME, not abortion, not World Vision. That’s fine, so I’m now going to help this broadcast along. I hope people will search Miano and stumble across this. I want people to listen to the broadcast themselves and ask themselves – what would happen if I had a differing opinion from Miano/O’Neal? Would they accuse me of conspiring with Satan? Would they question my salvation? Would they tell me to repent? Do they give you the freedom to think? Do they encourage you to seek the truth or are they expecting you to take their word for it?

    Like

  15. I listened to the broadcast when it was live and was deeply saddened that these men would so viciously attack you, Julie Anne, all the while complaining that YOU were slandering THEM. And supposedly in the Name of Jesus whom they claim to serve and follow.

    To answer Marsha above, Milano kisses up to Chuck O’Neal because Chuck is Milano’s pastor! To have a “national talk show” and have as your featured guest your own friend and pastor is indicative of someone who lives in a very small world.

    Is O’Neal an expert on “discernment bloggers”? Or is he an expert on Julie Anne? Perhaps that’s why she was the only real topic- their “expertise” doesn’t extend beyond her at all.

    I appreciate the advice from the Attorney above, but I hope Julie Anne doesn’t follow it. The safe advice is to do just what the counselor said above, but I think Julie Anne has a mission from the Lord and I hope she isn’t swayed. I believe that stopping Julie’s mouth is the true goal of satan here. May it never be!

    Like

  16. Just a note of correction. Tony Miano is a brand new member of Grace Community Church (Greg – funny, I just tweeted probably as you were commenting – – and thank you for your kind words once again. I so appreciated your tweet right after listening to the broadcast. Normally, I’m able to separate the behavior and not let it get personal, but after 40-50 minutes, it did hurt.)

    I believe this is his 3rd church in 6 years. One of his hot topics is rogue open air preachers who do not put themselves under the authority of a local pastor. For some reason, his former church was not completely on board with Miano’s way of evangelizing and they would not lay hands on him to fully support him as a church. Because of this, he changed churches. He wrote about this (if someone finds the link, I’ll put it in here.)

    O’Neal is not his pastor, but O’Neal’s church in Oregon is supporting Miano as a missionary. Also, just recently, O’Neal was named as part of Miano’s new advisory board. In that sense, O’Neal is “over” Miano. But you can see with O’Neal “advising,” how credible Miano will be with O’Neal’s reading comprehension issues.

    advisory board

    Like

  17. Just an FYI: You can block people from Twitter, but if they tag you (which is what happened this weekend), those tweets show up in your newsfeed. The show aired on Sunday and Saturday was when I started getting tagged tweets from Miano/O’Neal and it stumped me why all of a sudden they were both after me. That leads me to suspect that both Miano/O’Neal had planned for O’Neal to call in to discuss discernment bloggerS.

    I know of no way to block someone from reading the blog. Is that even possible?

    Like

  18. It would do no good to block if you could because they would just come in as another or on a different computer and blast by any blocking. I find it interesting that they are interested in what you have to say. If you are so evil, why would they care what you had to say?

    Like

  19. Ya know, I never heard of Miano before coming here. Did it ever occur to you, JA, that each and every time you blog about this loser, his ratings go up? These sorts are parasitic in nature, you know. Actually working and coming up with a new idea is foreign to them – they need a host.

    Like

  20. Tony Miano’s Ministry of Honor, Genuine Love, and Righteousness by Truthful Speech? Or Not?

    North Korea’s perfect Democracy, perfect Prosperity, Riches and Power, and Truthful Speech? Or Not?

    Like

  21. @Ann:

    You could have an entire industry of tee-shirts, ” Julie Ann Castrates Men”, bumper stickers, “Julie Ann Hate Your Children”, and book bags, ” Julie Ann: anti-Christ?”.

    So, Julie Anne, when are you Coming to Eat Miano’s Children?

    “HILLARY CLINTON!
    HILLARY CLINTON!
    HILLARY’S COMING TO EAT YOUR CHILDREN!
    AAAAAAAGH! AAAAAAAAAAGH!”
    — 2007 talk-radio parody/prediction of 2008 Republican campaign commercial

    Like

  22. P.S. Julie Anne?

    Miano’s rants against you remind me of this old Dr Demento classic. Imagine this as a villain song for Miano’s version of you; especially the “we’re gonna get you” and “we’re creeping everywhere”:
    http://lyrics.wikia.com/Sue_Fink:Leaping_Lesbians
    (Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any version of it on YouTube with decent audio. It’s a very peppy little tune.)

    Like

  23. Methinks that O’Neal is still chapped over you beating him in court and his having to pay your attorney fees! He couldn’t punish you in court, nor put you in your place with legal proceedings, so he is trying to put you in your place in the blogosphere.

    I doubt he can stand it that you have a following that thinks for themselves!

    Like

  24. “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.” (Matthew 5:11) Consider yourself blessed, Julie Anne!

    And another quote: “There’s no such thing as bad publicity.” The more Miano and O’Neal rant against you, the more likley their supporters and others will check out your blog and hopefully start to get out of the darkness they’re in.

    Like

  25. square1

    I don’t think his ratings don’t go up when I blog about him. How could you find that anyway?

    But his name comes up more frequently in search engines when I blog about him and it is my hope that people who are searching info about Miano will find more info here. I don’t tell people what to think. However, I link to source documents so that people can discern for themselves. I suppose by linking to the broadcast that people could side with them. Well, so be it. I generally find that my readers are much more discerning.

    Like

  26. Julie Anne,

    You said,

    ” I did this article because these men are doing what many abusers do. They put themselves in a position of authority and tell others how to think. Miano exhorts people to be discerning, yet he fails to discern in the most basic way. And then he uses his media platform to push the kind of vile he has in his heart that came out very clearly in the broadcast.

    While he tells people to discern, THEY (Miano/O’Neal) decided for other people whom they should listen to. They become their Holy Spirit. They get to proclaim that *IF* you listen/read to whomever they deem as evil, you are now conspiring with Satan. It’s all black/white. You don’t get to have a different opinion. They don’t give you a choice whether or not to believe them. If you go against their way of thinking, you are aiding and abetting Satan. This is how spiritual abusers work.”

    Amen, you nailed it. They set themselves up as some sort of ‘authority’ for others, they decide what’s wrong and what’s right. They are truly on very dangerous ground. I also agree with Wendell, O’Neal is trying to get back at you over the lawsuit. Like I already stated, he displays no forgiveness.

    MacArthur better be very leary of having Miano as a member of his church. That’s a very dangerous liability to take on. Miano has been fired from WOTM, and he’s left two previous churches; Christians need to start doing some investigating and fruit inspecting. It’s always wise to avoid all that makes a verbal profession but bears rotten fruit.

    Like

  27. I think Miano should be interviewed on SNL. There is even a place in this world for people just like him.

    Like

  28. Both of these guys sound like pre-pubescent schoolboys throwing a temper tantrum on the playground. They need to grow up, shut up and sit down.

    Like

  29. @JA~

    “I believe this is his 3rd church in 6 years.”

    He was not at Faith Community (his previous church that refused to give his ministry their laying on hands blessing) for very long, either. I believe he started there in 2012, iirc.

    “The show aired on Sunday and Saturday was when I started getting tagged tweets from Miano/O’Neal and it stumped me why all of a sudden they were both after me. That leads me to suspect that both Miano/O’Neal had planned for O’Neal to call in to discuss discernment bloggerS.”

    That is interesting because in the show Miano definitely claims having O’Neal on was NOT planned. O’Neal just happened to be in the chat room…surprise-look who’s here. He definitely said those words-not planned. I thought that was an odd projection-like think to say in the first place. Predictable.

    I guess it depends on what your definition of *planned* means.

    Like

  30. lyn, I know he worked for Way of the Master (where he used to teach women to preach – haha), but haven’t found anything stating that he was fired. Where did you find that info?

    Like

  31. Hey JA,
    I listened to some of the CER. The whole ‘interview’ being spontaneous, yeah, I don’t buy it. The whole thing CON says about our family using DHS to get back at him is bogus. Our family left BEFORE the ’employee’ was fired. DHS was contacted because children in the church were being sexually abused, and O’Neal in his wisdom felt it need not be reported to authorities. What I heard here is he is the victim…blah blah blah.

    I find it very interesting that they both go right for the ‘they aren’t saved’ which is putting them in the judgement seat, which is God’s place…not theirs.

    Shaking my head, grateful to you and the time you take to expose spiritual abuse, and the friendship I found with you at BGBC. At the time neither of us knew what we were getting into, but today I know and am thankful for the experience. Would not change one thing about it! I look at what God is doing for us through this trial and am so blessed to have the gift of you in my life.

    THIS IS MY OPINION!

    Keep up the good work, God bless you and your family~love to all even to those outside the family of God….for we may be the only love they see of God. Speak the truth lady and leave the rest to God.

    You are a TREASURE!!!!

    Like

  32. It’s so infuriating to watch; I can’t imagine living it, JA. I’m so sorry…

    “I suppose by linking to the broadcast that people could side with them. Well, so be it.”

    Yes, that is what a genuine, fact-checking article looks like nowadays (there’s a free tip for O’Neal). On the bright side, someone reading here and going there is indicative one already has a clue. He doesn’t care how the ratings come. Funny, really.

    Good point about the search engines.

    Like

  33. Meaghan – Didn’t you love the diatribe where he talks about “real sex abuse” and goes on and on how horrible it is, that those people should be in prison. He fails to mention that HE failed to report about a sex abuse situation he knew about. He wanted to keep it under his authority at church. This young man was convicted and served time because of Meaghan reporting.

    Oh, and I don’t think O’Neal paid $.01 of our legal fees. The check was made out by Beaverton Grace Bible Church – – the entity that HE added to the lawsuit – – how convenient.

    Like

  34. JA,

    Let me rephrase that, he was ‘let go’.

    Chuck O’Neal, the plural of ‘wife’ is ‘wives’ not ‘wifes’. It also bears repeating, ‘slander’ is ‘verbal’, or ‘spoken’. Perhaps a refresher course is in store for C.O.

    These two will tweet continually because they’ve read this post, I can almost guarantee it, and they will spew out their vile hatred. This is the rotten fruit they bear. They should be shunned and avoided by God’s true people. May God have mercy on both of them.

    Like

  35. Miano and O’Neal spout words. They are just words. Well, my words are just as powerful as theirs. Even coming from a woman :::::whoa:::::.

    Both Chuck and Miano can thank Chuck for giving me this platform. The fact that they devote so much attention to me and my alleged Jezebel ways shows that my words are having an impact. Good! Hey, Chuckie, wassup?

    Like

  36. I think this FB exchange speaks volumes about Miano’s heart as well…

    ‘Like Ray Comfort and staff did with Tony Miano, I’m withdrawing myself from his self-righteous hard-hearted callous, bitter ex-cop, attitude. I pray to Jesus Christ alone, period! Jesus Christ of the King James Bible is my God and my only God! Is He yours? Let the mockery begin, go ahead wolves, feed at us true Christians, we are called to suffer persecution anyways.
    2nd Timothy
    3:12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 3:13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
    Praying for real Christians to preach the gospel to every creature under the guidance of MEEK counsel. Go ahead mock both directly and indirectly as do the lost. You will have your reward. Psalms 5:5-6

    Tony Miano Wow. A bit judgmental, are we now? And in order to appease your bitterness you add lies to your commentary. Real Christians? A good look in the mirror may be in order for you, sir.
    August 20, 2013 at 8:34am · Edited

    Tony Miano Oh, and you’re a KJV-Onlyist, which helps to explain the hypocrisy of your angry rhetoric.
    August 20, 2013 at 8:34am · Edited

    Tony Miano And twist not Scripture lest you be like Satan, sir.
    August 20, 2013 at 8:27am

    Whenever Miano is confronted, he lashes out. He cannot stand being rebuked, that is very telling. He also provides no scriptural support, just accusations and attacks. He does love to quote Paul Washer doesn’t he?

    Like

  37. Chuck and Tony…DO read this:

    “God, I thank Thee, I am not as the rest of men, or even as this publican.” It is in that which is just cause for thanksgiving, it is in the very thanksgiving which we render to God, it may be in the very confession that God has done it all, that self finds its cause of complacency. Yes, even when in the temple where the language of penitence and trust in God’s mercy alone is heard, the Pharisee may take up the note of praise, and in thanking God be congratulating himself. Pride can clothe itself in the garments of praise or of penitence. Even though the words, “I am not as the rest of men,” are rejected and condemned, their spirit may too often be found in our feelings and language towards our fellow worshipers and fellow men.

    Would you know if this really is so, just listen to the way in which churches and Christians often speak of one another. How little of the meekness and gentleness of Jesus is to be seen. It is so little remembered that deep humility must be the key-note of what the servants of Jesus say of themselves or each other. Is there not many a church or assembly of saints, many a mission or convention, many a society or committee, even many a mission away in heathendom, where the harmony has been disturbed and the work of God hindered, because men who are counted saints have proved in touchiness, haste and impatience, in self defense and self-assertion, in sharp judgments and unkind words, that they did not each reckon others better than themselves, and that their holiness has but little in it of the meekness of the saints? In their spiritual history men may have had times of great humbling and brokenness, but what a different thing this is from being clothed with humility, from having an humble spirit, from having that lowliness of mind in which each counts himself the servant of others, and so shows forth the very mind which was also in Jesus Christ.
    “ Love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, seeketh not its own.” Where the spirit of love is shed abroad in the heart, where the divine nature comes to a full birth, where Christ the meek and lowly Lamb of God is truly formed within, there is given the power of a perfect love that forgets itself and finds its blessedness in blessing others, in bearing with them and honoring them, however feeble they be. Where this love enters, there God enters. And where God has entered in His power, and reveals Himself as All, there the creature becomes nothing. And where the creature becomes nothing, he is humble towards his fellow creatures, and the presence of God becomes not a thing of times and seasons, but the covering under which the soul ever dwells, and its deep abasement before God becomes the holy place of His presence whence all its words and works proceed.

    May God teach us that our thoughts, words and feelings concerning our fellow men are His test of our humility towards Him, and that our humility before Him is the only power that can enable us to always be humble with our fellow men. Our humility must be the life of Christ, the Lamb of God, within us. O brethren! Let us beware. Unless we make the increase of humility our study, we may find that the only sure mark of the presence of God, the disappearance of self, was all the time wanting. Come and let us flee to Jesus, and hide ourselves in Him until we be clothed upon with His humility. That alone is our holiness.” ~ Andrew Murray

    If you make a practice of hating, of spewing out vile accusations towards others, of deliberately seeking to destroy another human being with your malicious words and actions – that is evidence who your true father is – ‘ Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil’ 1 John 3:8
    Both Miano and O’Neal should be very, very afraid; they should be terrified. Sin has blinded their hearts, arrogance and vengeance fill their hearts. Instead of falling on their faces before God, they continue to hammer out tweets, blog posts, etc. and heap up more wrath as their sins increase. Just claim to hold to a ‘reformed’ doctrine and you’ll get a free pass to sin to your heart’s content.

    Like

  38. lyn, might I suggest you comment using a manly man’s name? Let’s see – how about Bruce or Thor, or something along those lines. You know, women should speak to men authoritatively. …….well…..Now wait a minute. I just realized something. Miano and O’Neal are really paying attention to my words. Never mind. Speak your words, woman! Don’t hold back!

    Like

  39. So, who died and made these clowns judge, jury and executioner of all humankind? Their motives, words and deeds do not represent Jesus. I will never be involved in organized religion again. Too many people about the power and control for their own personal ego trips.

    Like

  40. Julie Anne,

    Could I use ‘Leonard’? It’s pretty close to ‘lyn’.

    I must say,I’m amazed how they tell others NOT to read your blog, but they’re hunched in some corner with a laptop going over it with a fine tooth comb!
    They both need to ‘man up’ and get real jobs, work with their hands, and support their wimmins like the Bible calls them to do. They are worse than gossiping ole hens.

    Like

  41. I had lost track of Tony Miano’s (m)inistry due to personal abusive circumstances, however, Praise The Lord; those circumstances eventually had me connecting with Christ-honouring ministries whom defend the vulnerable.

    Recently, an acquaintance shared how him and his wife had to leave a church:

    “after a full year of praying, research and writing a 40 page defence, we could not stay under the leadership of a church who, out of the blue the year before, told us that Kim was no longer allowed to proclaim the gospel in the public square because she was a woman. The biblical verses they used for their defence is out of context in regard to evangelism. They were not convinced of my defence and our conscience would not allow us to remain under such a rule. The gospel is the gospel, a eternal life saving message given to ALL Christians to proclaim outside the four walls of what are known as “churches”, though the Bible says that WE are the church, not the buildings, and the Holy Spirit works through us as redeemed believers. We were adherents there and not full fledged members. It was a difficult year, though we did learn through that experience.”

    Several days after receiving this heart-wrenching email I discovered this interview:
    “Tony Miano: Qualifications for Ministry” http://www.echozoe.com/archives/2845
    I haven’t had a chance to forward this to my friends but I am wondering if the church in question adheres to Milano’s philosophy of women. Milano refers to his book, SHOULD SHE PREACH?

    Well, considering what Julie Anne and others have revealed in this post; Milano, O’Neal and others like them love to discuss how women should have a “meek and quiet spirit”. Sadly, their definition of meek and quiet would have women to not ever speak out when an injustice is done.

    Julie Anne – Sorry that you have had to endure such disdain. Please be reassured by all the commenters that fear God and His righteousness; not fearing man’s quackery.

    waitingforthetrumpet2 – YOU STATED IT VERY WELL; MY EXACT THOUGHTS — April 3, 2014 @ 9:54 AM

    “Both of these guys sound like pre-pubescent schoolboys throwing a temper tantrum on the playground.”

    Like

  42. Hey Chuck and Tony (I know ya’ll are reading this) In my opinion you two guys are the poorest example of ministers I have ever come across. Your methods and reason really exposes your real character. The fact that you both claim to be educated is an embarrassment to institutions of higher education. To think intelligent people really follow such as yourself is an insult to man’s ability to think for himself.

    I think you both are cowards, looking for the kind of attention that you will never get. It must make you and your families proud as ministers of God’s word to type your name in a web searcher and get way more negative post than positive. What a legacy you are leaving behind for your families. 100 years from now someone will be able to Google your name and read about the wonderful work you did, all in the name of Jesus.

    I think you can tell, I have just about as much respect for you as you claim JA has. So why don’t you and Tony direct some of that Christian love towards me, and tell me how bad a person I am. Maybe then we can arrange to sit across the table from each other and discuss this in a biblical manner.

    Like

  43. Lyn, if they went over my blog with a fine tooth comb, they would both know that I never likened Piper and MacArthur with Islamic clerics. He took those words which were from an email I posted.

    Chuck does not know how to read. He doesn’t understand that when I say “the following email” that means they aren’t my words. He doesn’t seem to understand that indented material is quoted material. And he missed the paragraph after the email in which I again acknowledge that the words were from a reader. He reads what he wants to read, twists words, concocts the theme to his own theme and slaps my name on it as my material.

    He fails basic reading comprehension in nearly everything he writes about me.

    Like

  44. They only go over posts that concern them, like this one. They could care less about the other posts you put up, you know, the ones that expose those who abuse in the name of God – like they do!

    Yes, O’Neal is a piece of work isn’t he? If someone has no basic reading comprehension skills, how do they manage to study the Bible? I suppose he does the same thing, he reads what he wants, twists words, concocts themes and presto! You’ve got a Chuck O’Neal study bible! That’s scary…..I feel sorry for the two or three members he has in his church.

    Like

  45. lyn – -get this. While at a men’s retreat, a man we know (who is now drinking the KoolAid again) found Chuck’s computer opened to a site where pastors can get sermons. Maybe he doesn’t write his own.

    Like

  46. Julie Anne,

    Considering the fact that he has no reading comprehension skills, and that he doesn’t know the meaning of the word slander, I would guess he may very well be getting his sermons on-line. What’s even more troubling than that is his continual pursuit of you, his determination to bring you to utter ruin. He’s enlisted Miano as his ‘partner in crime’ to help bring about your destruction. True followers of Christ will study God’s word for themselves,they will discern the meaning of truth and toss people like Miano and O’Neal to the curb. True followers of Jesus do NOT make it a quest to bring about another human being’s utter ruin! Their sinful behavior reveals what’s on the inside. They can make all the professions of faith they want, God tells us to examine fruit; their trees bear nothing but the worst of the worst.

    What is someone like O’Neal even doing in the pulpit?!? Good grief! And Miano standing on street corners in front of the ‘abortuary’ yelling at people, telling men how they aren’t men, how they need to man up and get jobs {isn’t that a hoot?!}. This is biblical Christianity?! Not according to my Bible {BTW Tony, I use the KJV, the NASB, the ESV, RV and sometimes even the Geneva}.

    Like

  47. Nope. Today is not double dog dare day!

    And Lyn, I have noticed this about a lot of KJV only folks. There is often an undercurrent of abject hatred and defensiveness toward others who actually realize the KJV is not God’s only revelation to man. Nor is there anything special about the textus receptus.

    If he really wants to get down to bare metal Scripture, then perhaps he should be reading and quoting directly from the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic!

    Like

  48. I brought the different translations up because Miano attacked a man over his KJV –

    Tony Miano Oh, and you’re a KJV-Onlyist, which helps to explain the hypocrisy of your angry rhetoric.
    August 20, 2013 at 8:34am · Edited

    That was from an earlier comment of mine.

    Like

  49. So, let’s see…Miano has some “great” words to describe you, Julie Anne –

    1. Vicious
    2. Enemy of the Bible
    3. Poisonous
    4. Not saved
    5. Hard hearted
    6. Denounces Christ

    Oh, yes, it’s all very clear to me now. It’s very clear that not once have I ever read words written by you that personally attack Miano or CON. What I find is that you pretty much write about their actions (as seen publicly) or quote their own words (again, seen publicly). I find it amazing that you are able to restrain your words when you write about them.

    The amazing thing about narcissists is that they do a fantastic job at diverting attention from their own actions to focusing on another person. The whole intent is to make the other person look worse than themselves, then their actions appear to be “normal.” Today’s social media is a great tool for a narcissist.

    It becomes even more clear to me that Miano and CON are just two grown men who are bitter (my favorite word!) and cannot move on. They are stuck in this phase of attacking one single person. Really, guys – it’s time to move on to something else!

    Like

  50. “Wonder who rebuked him when he criticized you? He doesn’t drop those names.”

    Right Marsha. He needs to man up.

    Diane wrote:

    “I also think it’s very important to pick your battles and defend the big ones in the here and now. It helps others, and is a good example for your children to see.”

    Bingo! Totally agree.

    Like

  51. I was just reading Miano’s new post on his CE blog entitled, “Approaching Your Pastor about Evangelism.” He writes:

    “Are your pastors/elders diligent to guard the flock, promote biblical unity, and lead the church in the ministries of fellowship, care, discipline, and discipleship? Then the issue of your pastors/elders not agreeing with you philosophically about how the church should engage in evangelism is not a biblical reason for leaving your church.”

    But…the elders not agreeing with him philosophically about evangelism is exactly the reason Miano gave for leaving Faith Community Church. He wrote about it here:

    “In the end, my elders affirmed what they believe is God’s call on my life to serve Him as an evangelist. At the same time, they found aspects of my evangelistic gifting and ministry (namely, open-air preaching) philosophically incompatible with the evangelistic direction the elders have set forth for the Faith Community Church family. That being the case, the elders determined they could not lay hands on me and commission me to serve Faith Community Church as an evangelist.”
    (Cross Encounters Newsletter February 24, 2014 / Volume 3, Issue 04)

    Continuing on with his Cross Encounters post he writes:

    “So, what do I do?”

    “Stay. Serve. Submit to your elders. Love the brethren. Do evangelism in keeping with the convictions God has given you, as you study His Word and grow in your faith.”

    But Miano did not stay or submit to his elders at Faith Community Church. He left because of a philosophical incompatibility that he just stated above was NOT a biblical reason to leave a church.

    Miano continues:

    “But Tony, you left.”

    “Yes, I did. Recently, I left Faith Community Church to seek membership at Grace Community Church. Mahria and I will receive the right hand of fellowship, as new member, on Sunday, April 6. I left because after 18 months of discussion and prayer with my elders, my elders affirmed my call to serve Christ as an open-air preacher. But because that particular form of evangelism is not in keeping with the church’s philosophy for evangelism, they suggested I look to serve in a church where open-air preaching is affirmed by the leadership.”

    They suggested. They may have suggested many things. Here is what Miano is leaving out–this is from the above quoted Feb. newsletter:

    “The elders assured me that they would not ask me to stop open-air preaching. They assured me that my family and I were welcomed to continue being members of Faith Community Church, for the rest of our lives. They repeatedly re-asserted their love and care for, and support of the Miano Family. However, the elders collectively determined that the best thing for me and the ministry to which they affirm God has called me would be for me to find a church where the elders and I would philosophically be on the same page regarding open-air preaching–a church where the elders could fully embrace every aspect of my ministry.

    Again, the elders never asked me to leave the church and emphatically welcomed me and my family to stay at Faith Community Church, indefinitely.”

    So he had a choice, He could have stayed at Faith Community Church. He was welcomed to stay. He makes it sound in his post of today that the elders asked him to/suggested that he leave and…he had to leave. He did not have to according to the above from his newsletter. They may have suggested he could certainly look for a different church that would do the laying hands thingy he really desires (perhaps that means $$$ support him?), but he could have stayed there, served, submitted as he wrote above. So it seems to me, from what I am reading, is that he did leave Faith Community for a philosophical difference that he states above is not a biblical reason.

    Which is it?

    “I left Faith Community Church in a biblical way. Had I not, Grace Community church would not receive me as a member.”

    Interesting that he felt compelled to add that to his post.

    Like

  52. @Julie Anne:

    lyn, might I suggest you comment using a manly man’s name? Let’s see – how about Bruce or Thor, or something along those lines.

    How about “Buck Cameron”?
    Or “Rayford Steele”?
    (Don’t forget the bone-crushing Manly Man handshake.)

    Like

  53. @Julie Anne:

    Oh, and I don’t think O’Neal paid $.01 of our legal fees. The check was made out by Beaverton Grace Bible Church – – the entity that HE added to the lawsuit – – how convenient.

    I have a good guess what the sermons at BGBC were about from then on:
    “TITHE! TITHE! TITHE!
    TITHE! TITHE! TITHE!”

    Like

  54. It’s more of that hypocritical religion he adheres to – you know..the one where Tony lays out the guidelines for this, that and the other. Then he breaks every rule he just laid out! You know the routine Diane, he’s going to to this or that, then he moves on to the next fad that enters his mind. Like his dropping the ‘lawman’ mentality; how long did that last? He’s back to getting in people’s faces and judging sinners {as well as God’s people}, just like in his earlier videos that he’s pulled. He lacks true consistency in his religion, he goes on whims.
    He’s also looking for $$ support; give Faith Community credit for NOT backing this man’s abusive behavior towards sinners. He knows there’s no $$ to fleece from that church, so he has to move on. That’s how hucksters work, they gotta keep movin’ on, like a traveling salesman.
    Anybody want to take a stab at how long he’ll stay at GCC?

    Like

  55. Diane,

    This is something we frequently see with leaders like Miano. It’s “do as I say, but not as I do.” They get a free pass and don’t have to live by the rules they expect and demand for everyone else. My former pastor did this, too.

    Good discerning work there!

    Like

  56. Abusers target those who call them out. It’s bullying. Most “discernment bloggers” are just concerned Christians who have been burnt by abuse in the church in some shape or form. The worst thing I have seen growing up as an MK and during times of involvement in churches is the culture of silence that is imposed on victims of abuse. It has to stop. Jesus didn’t tolerate the abusive exploitation going on in the Temple and He surely is grieved by the evil that goes on today. I believe if we are silent we are complicit. I know I have been in the past. Verse that springs to mind-bad with references, must google it-“let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind”. I’d rather be like the Bereans. God ‘s opinion of us is all that matters. We can disagree on issues like women’s roles and still be united for the gospel. The church is guilty of polarizing and blaming victims while a hurting world shakes its head and walks away confused. God help us.

    Like

  57. Julie Anne: I checked, and you can’t block someone from viewing a blog on wordpress.com unless you make it private. Since you are doing so much good for so many, I highly recommend against that.

    If you had a regular website on wordpress.org, then I could help you block someone. Darn. . . .. .

    I’m going to give you a word that someone gave to me several years ago in a similar situation, from Isaiah 54:17 (NLT): “But in that coming day no weapon turned against you will succeed. You will silence every voice raised up to accuse you. These benefits are enjoyed by the servants of the Lord; their vindication will come from me. I, the Lord, have spoken!”

    And may I humbly add: AMEN!!!

    Like

  58. Hey JA, I think I’ll repost this to my blog – simply because I have a sneaking suspicion that the same things have been said about me. The whole thing actually gave me a chuckle – because your blog and your story have played a part in giving me strength and courage to rebound from my own heinous experience. You go girl!

    Like

  59. Reblogged this on When Church Hurts and commented:
    This is the kind of talk that church leaders use to convince others to shun and ostracize people. Thanks JulieAnne for validating and encouraging so many by pointing out the hatefulness of those who claim to bear the name of Christ. We are none of us alone.

    Like

  60. tlc3 – Thanks for checking about blocking on Word Press. I really have no desire to block anyone. Like true narcissists, as long as Miano and CON view me as a threat, they will continue to carry on like this. I know the behavior. Most of the time I roll my eyes and consider the source. I just want the truth exposed and people to recognize the pattern of behavior so they don’t have to fall for the trap of control these men use. These men are wolves.

    Like

  61. Julie Anne-

    You have to remember that you have committed the unpardonable sin. You dared to call out Chuck on his bullying and b***s*** and THEN you had the audacity to not go away when he chased you with his big bad lawsuit.

    On top of that, you then had the nerve to call out this jack-ass for Jesus and actually get a lawyer who spanked him publicly for the whole world to see.

    And lastly, you are JUST a woman…how dare you think yourself equal to a man.

    In all seriousness,,,I wouldn’t let these guys bother you. I think they seem hopelessly arrogant and self-important when they rant on about you as if you and your readers were Satan incarnate. Just my 2 cents….

    Like

  62. I’m of the opinion that part of the reason CON and Miano are doing this is to goad you into doing exactly what CON did to you: file a lawsuit for slander.

    Like

  63. Reblogged this on House of Water and commented:
    Everybody ever! Go read JulieAnneSmith! She’s awesome, writes about fundamentalism/Christianity/God, and apparently jerks hate her. And she doesn’t go around calling people jerks like I do. Which is probably a good thing.

    Like

  64. Don’t let the turkeys get you down, Julie Anne. These guys don’t resemble Jesus in the slightest.

    Like

  65. I would consider retitling this post as follows:

    Tony Miano’s Ministry of disHonor, Genuine Lovelessness, and unRighteousness by unTruthful Speech!

    Like

  66. Well, of course you’re right, An Attorney, but I love it when people can come to their own conclusions here and discuss their reasonings, etc. 🙂

    Like

  67. Julie Anne,

    Everyone needs to watch the video you posted, it is a disgrace! At the 3 minute mark, Miano tells this man to ‘man up, go to work’. That’s coming from a man who hasn’t held a job since 2000! It’s like a wrestling tag team, they gang up on this poor guy! They just keep yelling at him, that he’s murdering his baby. Where is the concern for this man’s own eternal state? There is NO Gospel presentation anywhere in this video….NONE.

    Miano tells this guy he is ‘bad’, again, setting himself up as Judge and juror over another human being. At the 4:55 mark, someone from Miano’s camp yells, ‘you’re the man of the family, not her!’ Their patriarchal agenda is starting to show now.

    They go on to say ‘you’re surrendering your manhood!’ So, this guy is no longer a man now, he’s given up his manhood because his wife is having an abortion!? What? Where is a proof text for that one?!?

    Miano proceeds to tell this man why he’s killing his baby, “that’s because your baby is inconvenient” – here’s more of that Judge/jury thing.

    This man tells them he does NOT want to be on camera, Miano’s response? “that’s irrelevant’, ‘you’re going to be on camera!’. Isn’t all this an invasion of privacy or not? Miano then says, ‘the world needs to see men who murder their babies!’ Good grief! This is a blatant attack on this man- he is badgered, belittled, humiliated and left with NO mention of Christ and His atoning work on the cross. To think, people send money to support this trash!!

    I noticed one of Miano’s comrades is guilty of gluttony, why didn’t Miano start screaming at him? I do pray for God to bring this dead religion of Miano’s to a screeching halt. He certainly is a hindrance to Christ and His Gospel.

    Like

  68. Julie Anne, I’m so sorry you’re having to deal w/ this garbage. You’ve truly provided a beacon of hope to members of the Body of Christ who are coming out of spiritual abuse, and these guys are just furious that they can’t control you any more.

    I went back and read the article you linked, and it’s clear that they totally missed the point.

    You mentioned that Chuck O’Neal didn’t have very good reading skills, and I wanted to ask, was his church KJV-only? I just wrote up a post about the culture-shock I had when I entered a KJV-only community, and how that false doctrine truly cripples the congregation when it comes to understanding the Word.

    http://taylorjoyrecovers.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/kjv-only-culture-shock-part-1/

    Like

  69. taylorjoyyoung – Chuck’s favorite translation is NKJV. His least favorite is probably NIV and I recall him singling out and ridiculing a poor person who came to church with an NIV – right in front of everyone. Ugh.

    Chuck is pretty smart. He has good reading skills when he wants to use them. But this is different agenda.

    When it comes to his agenda of taking me down, Chuck’s reading skills are like my kids’ listening skills when asking them to clean their room and they said they never heard anything. Same thing. Chuck doesn’t want to read that the part about John MacArthur, his hero, was discussing not blindly following popular leaders. He also doesn’t want to read about that I mentioned twice in the article that the excerpt was from a reader’s e-mail. And he must be blind to not see that the entire excerpt was indented to show that it was quoted material.

    His agenda is to portray me in the worst possible light with such horrific claims that people would think: no pastor would make up something like that, he must be telling the truth. Chuck must rely on blind followers for his story to hold water.

    Like

  70. I am physically sickened by the attack upon you by these “godly” men. They remind me of “good ole boys” for Jesus getting to together to have a woman bashing session (sadly you were the topic), I have news for them, we see through them. I believe they are terrified of you, they know you speak the truth and shine a light on their false teaching for all to see.

    The video in front of the abortion clinic is very sad. I ask myself WWJD? He would not have approached those people like they did. Not an ounce of compassion or understanding, until we have walked in someone else’s shoes….

    Julie Anne, thank you for all the wonderful work you do. Please keep it up. May God bless you.
    Cherry

    Like

  71. JA
    You are doing a great job. That is why they are going after you. Neither Chuck or Tony have any clout in the greater scheme of things. You have far more influence and class and they know it. They just come off as whiney butts.

    Like

  72. Woohoo!! That is good news. Thanks for telling me. So evidently Google doesn’t care if a woman is using her bully pulpit. That’s got to seriously annoy ™.

    Like

  73. JA
    There is a blessing and a curse that comes from being on Page 1. Let’s just say that there are a few churches and pastors who are upset when they see our evaluation right under the link to their church….

    Be prepared to duck.

    Like

  74. “Be prepared to duck.”

    Dee – – it’s a long way down for me. I’m not going to duck. Nope. Those people who are upset at you might want to take a closer look at your articles so they can remedy the situation. Duh.

    Brad – good catch on bully pulpit.

    Like

  75. This is unreal!! In this video, Miano says God is going to strike women who kill their babies with breast cancer! Good grief, what’s the matter with this nut job?! He spews out a message of hate, he judges sinners as though he were ‘god’. He is a tool in the hands of Satan! {see BTDT’s prior comment and video}

    “you are going to die someday and it might be a result of the breast cancer you contract as a result of this abortion!” Miano screeches. This is enough to make a preacher cuss. I can’t watch the WHOLE 24 minutes, if I did, they’d have to put me away somewhere.

    Like

  76. I transcribed that part:

    “You are going to die someday and it might be a result of the breast cancer you contract as a result of this abortion. It might be due to the ovarian cancer you contract as a result of this abortion. It might as a result of the cervical cancer you contract as a result of this abortion. Or it might be by suicide as many women who murder their children then turn to murder themselves. When you die, you will stand before God and give an account of your life. He will find you guilty of murder, even if you don’t abort your baby today. Because the first moment, the thought of abortion entered your mind, you murdered your child in your heart. God already finds you guilty. God will not care about your circumstances. God will not care if you allowed yourself to be deceived by the media, by your parents, by your boyfriend, by your doctor.”

    Like

  77. This man tells them he does NOT want to be on camera, Miano’s response? “that’s irrelevant’, ‘you’re going to be on camera!’.

    I know a couple guys who would have Punched the Preacher Out at that point if he’d tried that on them.

    Like

  78. What will happen to false teachers like Miano? “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.” 2 Peter 2:1

    “To the pure, all things are pure, but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure; but both their minds and their consciences are defiled. They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.” Titus 1:15-16

    It’s very clear Tony Miano is NOT a preacher of righteousness, his message is filled with hate, with judgmental accusations, and does NOT point to the cross of Jesus Christ. He condemns women, always, and offers them NO hope. The greater danger lies in store for Miano, NOT the women he badgers all day long at the clinic.

    Like

  79. I tagged Phil Johnson in a couple of tweets. I’m not going to continue doing that (as I mentioned in a tweet to Phil), but I would like for him to see Miano in action – not my words or my commentary, but his own. His words/behavior speak for themselves. I had an hour-long conversation with Johnson during my lawsuit and the conversation I felt went well. It seemed that Johnson cared and understood about spiritual abuse.

    Tony Miano’s ministry is public. He is now adding Grace Community’s name. On the 2nd video, he says it’s post-Shepherds Conference evangelism. I’m not sure this is the type of evangelism promoted by GCC. We’ll see.

    Like

  80. “This man tells them he does NOT want to be on camera, Miano’s response? “that’s irrelevant’, ‘you’re going to be on camera!’.”

    mmm hmmm…just like Miano tells Elizabeth (a total stranger he hopes to witness to) in the *Conversation with Elizabeth* segment from his CER last Sunday (approx. 73 min mark)…you WILL greet me properly… and with respect. I am your elder.

    Like

  81. to be blinded by the sin of pride and haughtiness is horrific. He even reads from Proverbs 6 as he stands in front of the clinic -‘There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood.’ Proverbs 6:16-17 He reads about the very sins that enslave him! How sad to be so deluded and deceived, truly I praise God He reveals truth and exposes sin so I may confess and forsake it.

    Like

  82. HUG said,

    “I know a couple guys who would have Punched the Preacher Out at that point if he’d tried that on them.”

    His provoking, rude behavior positively begs for it, and I’m betting that he’s striving for such a reaction that he may cry “PERSECUTION!!”

    What a loathsome disgrace; makes me want to spit.

    Like

  83. I’m pretty sure he used the persecution word with regard to his arrest in Scotland – – you know the one where he stayed at the house of the pastor who also was arrested twice in Scotland months earlier for the same thing.

    Like

  84. Meanwhile, Christians are being terrorized, raped, mutilated, and beheaded elsewhere.

    GTY oughta reign this jerk in and discipline him Geneva-style. Bet that’ll never happen.

    Like

  85. Maybe the Scottish court system will do everyone a favour and put his sorry rear end in jail for awhile so people don’t have to deal with his narcissism and lack of self-awareness.

    Oh wait, that may not be a good thing, he’ll come back with a bastardized Scottish accent, affect, and even more attitude,

    I hope he comes to Canada for the Stampede and ticks off the Calgary Police and the RCMP. Former cop or not, his behavior would not impress them or Stampeders.

    Oh wait, that may not be a good thing, he’ll come back with a bastardized Canadian accent, affect, and even more attitude.

    I’m sorry you are a target Julie Anne, I guess their mighty herd of followers heeded the admonitions – don’t see a single soul in here singing their praises and condemning you.

    Blog on!

    Like

  86. So, let me get this straight. John McArthur’s Grace to You and Phil Johnson (his right hand man) actually approve of Miano in your face and insulting style of evangelism? Didn’t one of their staff preachers tell CON to sue you?

    Like

  87. It’s very clear Tony Miano is NOT a preacher of righteousness, his message is filled with hate, with judgmental accusations, and does NOT point to the cross of Jesus Christ.

    Thank you for saying this. I wanted to say something similar myself.

    I would never get from these men that God so loved the world….Or that God so loved anyone. Or that God had any clue what love is.

    Like

  88. Julie Anne,

    How many people attend Chuck O’Neal’s church?

    It seems O’Neal is creating drama for himslef and his church when he continues publicly to defend his heavy handed “Methodology”. Even for those who support his “Reformed” doctrine who didn’t leave the church, have be to getting tired of his public redundancy.

    Tony Miano and Chuck O’Neal may be one of those 5 Point Calvinist that was indoctrinated into believing that if one isn’t enduring persecution for their beliefs, they will manufacture it in order to find favor from the creator.

    Which may have been the case for Pastor Fred Phelps of Westboro who was also a self-professed 5 Point Calvinist.

    .

    Like

  89. JA and Lyn, in the 24 min vid, he’s talking to trees and bushes and a wall, his back to the street, in the shade. “Dang fornicatin’ abortin’ trees! A pock o’ cancer on ye! And may ye chop down yer own trunk.”

    Not much reality with that man.

    Like

  90. Depending on the state, it can be a crime to record someone on video who explicitly said that they did not wish to be recorded. And a separate crime to release the video or show it. In addition the person who did not want to the recorded will have grounds for a civil suit for invasion of privacy. But the content of what the person making (or having made) the video cannot generally be the basis for a suit, just the fact of the taping against the wishes of a person.

    Like

  91. So, let me get this straight. John McArthur’s Grace to You and Phil Johnson (his right hand man) actually approve of Miano in your face and insulting style of evangelism? Didn’t one of their staff preachers tell CON to sue you?

    That is what CON claimed. After a lengthy discussion, I think CON had to admit that there was a misunderstanding. Hmm, interesting, though, CON never came out and recanted his words on that issue. I don’t think I ever thought about that aspect. Phil Johnson spoke with Dee of Wartburg Watch and she did an article on this: http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/05/15/phil-johnson-responds-for-john-macarthur-and-grace-community-church/

    And this article includes a lengthy response from Phil Johnson in which he discusses the conversation he had with O’Neal about whether or not a Grace Community pastor did in fact encourage O’Neal to sue us: http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/05/16/pastor-chuck-oneal-the-blogger-phil-johnson-and-overuse-of-slander/

    Like

  92. Julie Anne,

    I’ve witnessed first hand that Preachers will emphasize (in heavy-handed methodologies) the need to endure recognizable persecution. If they see their membership not enduring suffering and persecution they will question their salvation.

    Fred Phelps, Tony Miano and Chuck O’Neal may be part of the 5-Point Calvinist club that have been indoctrinated into pursuing persecution if they can’t find it they will manufacture it.

    I ask you a question last night in a posting above.

    Like

  93. Miano said:“You are going to die someday and it might be a result of the breast cancer you contract as a result of this abortion. It might be due to the ovarian cancer you contract as a result of this abortion. It might as a result of the cervical cancer you contract as a result of this abortion. Or it might be by suicide as many women who murder their children then turn to murder themselves. When you die, you will stand before God and give an account of your life. He will find you guilty of murder, even if you don’t abort your baby today. Because the first moment, the thought of abortion entered your mind, you murdered your child in your heart. God already finds you guilty. God will not care about your circumstances. God will not care if you allowed yourself to be deceived by the media, by your parents, by your boyfriend, by your doctor.”

    You know what I thought as I read this? I thought, “Gee, so why shouldn’t she just go ahead with the abortion then?” Because, according to Tony, she’s already guilty of murder & going to hell for it…And this is supposed to help her decide to have the baby?? More like talk her INTO it, if there had been the slightest hesitation in her mind……grrrrrr!!!
    [Picture Zooey banging head against wall here].

    Like

  94. JA, the video you posted is quite interesting. The woman allegedly put a $20k figure on the child’s head. To me, this means she is willing under the right circumstances (as not-right as this may be, etc.), to allow the child to live. Could the sidewalk preacher have said, “Hold on, dude, let me call my deacons and see if there’s something we can work out here.” If each member of his new church chipped in like five bucks each, they could have come up with enough cash (like they didn’t already have it available) for the birth to take place and maybe an offer to adopt the child to a family who would care for it.

    If we as Christians are going to front for a preacher to confront people at abortion clinics, why could we not front to raise the child or help the parents raise a child? And couldn’t this be a ministry already prepared to help such people? Should we stand there in judgment, allowing the abortion to happen just to use it as ammo to condemn the un-manly man? All kinds of Christians do amazing things to put themselves in the position of being able to adopt/help out should the occasion arise. Just a few thoughts.

    Like

Thanks for participating in the SSB community. Please be sure to leave a name/pseudonym (not "Anonymous"). Thx :)

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s