Lourdes Torres, Alleged Victim in the Doug Phillips (Vision Forum) Sex Abuse Scandals Files Lawsuit

 

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Lourdes Torres, alleged victim in sex abuse scandal with Douglas Phillips of Vision Forum, has filed a lawsuit against Douglas Phillips

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The victim in the Doug Phillips sex abuse case has filed a lawsuit and in doing so, has chosen to publicly reveal her identity:  Lourdes Torres. She is one brave woman.  Go, Lourdes!

 

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 UPDATE April 16, 2014. At the end of this post, we’ve added key facts and links to select news reports and blog articles. We plan to continue to grow these lists as opportunity allows.

World Net Daily has the full story and it is a long one with photos and lots of details.  In the first link below is the legal complaint:

In the complaint filed in Kendall County District Court in Texas Tuesday morning, Phillips is accused of using a woman named Lourdes Torres, now 29, as “a personal sex object” over a period of five years.

I was alerted on Sunday of another development – that Lourdes Torres (aka Victim) was married Friday evening to a former Boerne Christian Assembly member, Nolan Manteufel.

We first got a glimpse that something was up with this Facebook profile picture which was updated over the weekend:

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The lawsuit gets into graphic detail.

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Here are graphic details in the complaint. Phillips claimed he didn’t know her Biblically.  The following paragraph shows that he knew her pretty darn well.  Scroll down to the line of asterisks to get beyond the graphic part.

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My thoughts and prayers go to the Manteufels as they start their new life together and also as their private life will become very public. This is a very sad situation for all.

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UPDATE:   I had someone ask where they can send support or gift cards. I would be happy to try to organize this. Nolan or Lourdes or David Gibbs, if you are reading this and can contact me, I think there may be a lot of people who would like to offer support in a more tangible way.  ~Julie Anne (spiritualsb@gmail dot com)

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Links on the Lourdes Torres-Manteufel Lawsuit

Against Doug Phillips, Vision Forum, Inc., & Vision Forum Ministries

NOTE: This section has been moved to its own post.

NOTE: The extensive information that was on this page has been transferred to it’s own post. You will find it at Lourdes Torres-Manteufel vs. Doug Phillips Lawsuit Informational Resource Page. That post already expands what was previously here by at least a third, and will be updated daily for at least the next 7 to 10 days. It includes the following sections:

  • Preface
  • Key Facts
  • Official Court Documents and Other Statements
  • Plaintiff, Defendants, and Their Legal Counsels
  • Key Individuals in the Unfolding Story
  • Relevant Background Issues
  • Select Links to News Reports and Blog Posts
  • Historical Overview Posts
  • Potentially Relevant Legal Information
  • Other Research and Resource Pieces

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422 comments on “Lourdes Torres, Alleged Victim in the Doug Phillips (Vision Forum) Sex Abuse Scandals Files Lawsuit

  1. May Nolan and his lovely bride have many happy years together. Ms. L, there are many of us on the outside who are here to welcome and support you. I’ve been a survivor since 1993, it gets easier as time passes and good memories supplant the bad. The best revenge is doing well and it looks like you and your handsome groom are well on your way. Blessings to the both of you…
    P.S. You were most brave in facing down Doug Phillips and his cronies.

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  2. Congrats to Mr. and Mrs. Manteufel on their new life together! Go, Lourdes!

    As for Phillips, I want the whole world to read this and be disgusted.

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  3. Lourdes – Thank you for your willingness and bravery in standing up to Phillips and his supporters. I know that this will be a hard road ahead of you, but please know that you have a cheering section behind you!

    Congratulations to you and Nolan! May the years moving forward provide you with peace and joy.

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  4. Lourdes, I believe you and I am just so moved by your courage! I hope for justice, I pray for peace for you and all happiness to you and your new husband as you begin your life together. Thank you for your bravery. I hope for so many happy days ahead for you & Nolan.

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  5. All I can say is this – since he wanted to get scr * *ed so badly, I hope she’s saying, “Here it comes, pervert, hope you like it!”

    GO LOURDES!!! (and congratulations!)

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  6. So “Ofdoug the Handmaid” has gone public.

    I hope she’s “cleared for action” for the Godly(TM) backlash. And has a LOT of support, both legal and emotional; she’s going to need it.

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  7. “To date, a media campaign has been architected to destroy and demoralize Doug Phillips, his family and his message, without justification and instead with conjecture and disinformation.”

    Actually, Doug Phillips has done a pretty good job of destroying himself, his family and his message without any help from the media.

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  8. Here are graphic details in the complaint. Phillips claimed he didn’t know her Biblically. The following paragraph shows that he knew her pretty darn well.

    Pretty much what I figured from when I first heard Douggie ESQUIRE’s statement. No Tab A was ever inserted into Slot B, so Douggie ESQUIRE can wipe his mouth and say “There was no sex; I have not sinned.”

    “It all depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is.”
    — William J Clinton (another stickler for precise legal definition of “sex”)

    P.S. According to an online dictionary of slang, “Christian Side Hug” means non-genital sex (including the acts detailed in Article 15 ot the lawsuit) done to achieve orgasm while preserving technical virginity (unpopped hymen). Wonder how it got that name & association…

    P.P.S. Her married name is “Manteufel”? “Teufel” is German for “Devil”, and I’m sure some of Douggie’s MenaGAWD are going to get some mileage out of that.

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  9. Lourdes- My prayer is for you to grow strong,help others and destroy those who use their position to hurt women. God bless you for stepping into the eye of the storm and not letting those who sinned against you hide.

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  10. David Gibbs gets around…is this the same guy who is doing the “independant” review of Bill Gothard?

    That is my understanding, David. He is certainly well known in homeschool circles.

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  11. I was also told this morning that the Texas clergy abuse law that I’ve referred to before is a civil statute, criminal. That may be why this was filed as a civil lawsuit.

    I also suspect that the Gibbs contacted WND in advance of filing the lawsuit and so the article and lawsuit was released at the same time. I’ve seen this happen before in another church sex abuse lawsuit case. (Note: the first we publicly hear of the lawsuit is in WND’s article.)

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  12. From WND: “In telling her story, Torres hopes to inspire any girl, wife or family in similar situations to find the courage to escape and discover freedom, rather than continuing to suffer at the hands of an abuser.

    “Lourdes had the choice to either retreat quietly and kind of disappear and recover, or she could make the decision to go public and try to help others,” Gibbs said of Torres’ decision to tell her story.

    “I really admire her decision to step forward – not trying to hide her identity – but to step forward and tell her story and let people know there is hope, and they don’t have to live under that oppressive type of abuse.”

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/pastor-accused-of-using-nanny-as-sex-object-2/#5E0zxPuHzpUx822q.99
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    Yes! Yes! Yes! Lourdes, you are my hero! The more victims of sex abuse or spiritual abuse stand up to their abusers in the church organization, the better it will be for generations to come. Thank you for being willing to lay down your life for others, by going public .I am so glad that you have not lost your faith after being abused by a supposed minister of God. And I am so glad that you are getting therapy!

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  13. Unusual that David Gibbs is counsel for the plaintiff. He’s usually found as counsel for the defense, or whoever might happen to be clergy in a case. (The younger Gibbs was Chuck Phelps’s attorney during Tina Anderson’s case and Gibbs’s firm was brought in by First Baptist Hammond to represent the church’s interests during Jack Schaap’s trial.

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  14. This gives me hope. Hope that eventually God brings about justice and freedom for the oppressed.

    Man, she has guts.

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  15. Lourdes, Congratulations on your marriage. Nolan seems like an amazing man. You have a tough battle ahead, but know there are many of us who support this move. I grieve for the trust and innocence you lost at the hands of this predator. By filing this lawsuit you have gone from “victim” to “survivor”. It is not an easy road, but the worst is behind you. I hope you continue to find your voice during this stage of your life. You will be speaking also for those whose abuse and shame were kept hidden. I pray they find healing by your example. Much Love, Ann

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  16. I hope someone contacts you, Julie Anne, so support can be sent.

    These girls are intentionally placed in a no win situation, allegedly for the protection. But in reality, they are disempowered and made defenseless and vulnerable. They are ripe for the picking of any smooth operator who knows how to work the patriarchy system to his advantage and selfish end.

    Those who escape need our support to fight the wicked men (and women… Beall anyone?) and wicked system they held them captive.

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  17. “Moving on with her life” while holding him accountable and thereby protecting others. She might as well, we have enough data to now know that “forgiving the way you were forgiven” just doesn’t work in God’s world. God forgives when we repent.

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  18. I just read the lawsuit. Needless to say, there is only one universe that Lourdes would not be considered a victim and that would be pornography. I would say having a man masturbate and the ejaculate on you is not a pleasurable activity for a woman. Only in porno do women “act” like this activity is arousing. I suspect Phillips learned this activity on some porno sight. This does not sound like any type of mutual physical pleasure. According to this account, this poor woman was totally being used solely as an object for his arousal. That makes her a victim. Period! JA, I hope anyone reading this case sees this as further proof of Phillips narcissism.

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  19. How devastating and maddening to read that the amazingly brave and strong Lourdes was treated this way by creepy Doug. 😦

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  20. Julie Anne,
    The law you are referencing is in the TX penal code which defines criminal activity:
    http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/PE/htm/PE.22.htm

    Title 5. Offenses against the person.
    Chapter 22. Assaultive Offenses.
    Sec. 22.011. Sexual assault.
    (b) A sexual assault […] is without the consent of the other person if: […] 10) the actor is a clergyman who causes the other person to submit or participate by exploiting the other person’s emotional dependency on the clergyman in the clergyman’s professional character as spiritual adviser …
    Texas Penal Code 22.011(b)(9): “by exploiting [the patient or former patient’s] . . . emotional dependency”; and (b)(10) “by exploiting the other person’s emotional dependency on the clergyman in the clergyman’s professional character as spiritual advisor”

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  21. @Ann:

    I just read the lawsuit. Needless to say, there is only one universe that Lourdes would not be considered a victim and that would be pornography.

    Three, actually.
    Pornography, Talibani Islam, and Christianese Quiverfull Patriarchy.

    And I’d like to know where Douggie ESQUIRE learned that brand of sexual behavior. (Besides the obvious “No Tab A Into Slot B, So It Wasn’t REALLY Sex; I Have Not Sinned.”) Did he do the same to Beale? Or was she too Respectable(TM) for that?

    I mean, when it’s a flat-out porn “money shot” shtick…

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  22. My admiration for this young lady knows no bounds. What courage. She is taking on one of the biggest deceptive charlatans in the patriarchy business. And he will pull out any trick in the deceptive book on this one. He is already playing the “God” card and “reconciliation” which makes me shudder in its deception because it is old news with Phillips. We are on to him now.

    Whatever the outcome she is setting a new standard for young women who were raised in that movement and objectified.

    Too bad his pockets are no longer deep! I would love to see her walk away with a fortune. But there is not a big enough amount of money to make up for the years he stole from her.

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  23. @Tiquatue (rhymes with Pikachu?):

    Unusual that David Gibbs is counsel for the plaintiff. He’s usually found as counsel for the defense, or whoever might happen to be clergy in a case.

    Given that, could this be a setup?
    Take the case and deliberately lose it to protect Gawd’s Anointed Douggie?

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  24. HUG, that also concerned me. At this point, what does Doug have? Can he pay lawyers?

    Something that jumped out at me reading the WND article is that the Board was looking for a way for Phillips to make a comeback?

    Another thing that jumped out at me was Torres saying that Beall told her to keep her mouth shut.

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  25. I just got wind of this on FB from VF posting about it and to pray for the phillips and Lourdes?????? They seemed to dumb it down by saying, “Less than seventy-two hours after her marriage to Nolan Manteufel last Friday night, Lourdes-Torres Manteufel approached the national media with numerous false and salacious claims against Doug and Beall Phillips.” WOW! sounds like VF still stand behin DP… I also noticed they have deleted deragatory comments about DP. Sounds like its still the same old song and dance from VF or is this still the part of the company that DP kept https://www.facebook.com/visionforum . Ironically I just got done pitching a bunch of DP cd’s from our homeschool today.

    What a brave woman! I pray justice is served to DP once and for all! #teamlourdes

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  26. Ironically our familly just burned a bunch of VF cd’s from DP today. I had some fun writing in a sharpie marker on them myself, “How to be a godly man – and take full advantage of your children’s babysitter”…. JUSTICE FOR LOURDES!!! we need to rally behind her! this will not be easy. She is BRAVE XO GO LOURDES!!!

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  27. ps. I no longer feel real sorry for Beall Phillips after reading her threats to Lourdes. Beall was “ok” with Lourdes being abused and more worried about her well-being than the truth and justice for Lourdes. sad situation in more ways than 1

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  28. Ok, thank you #TeamLourdes for that information. Here is a tweet I just sent out.
    I could not read the document put out by Phillips’ attorneys, so I just called the attorney’s office to see if they would forward a copy to me. I spoke with Joaquin (who said he knows who I am – ha!) and he said he would speak to the attorney to ask if this would be okay. I also asked if he could identify who published the Facebook note. He replied he did not know. I asked if he could provide that information to me, too.

    Anyway, I hope to get a copy that I can read and if they give permission, I will post it.

    ~ja

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  29. Hey, anyone else who has VF materials to burn, I will happily recycle them for you and use as blogging fodder 🙂 No need to create toxic fumes in the ozone layer from burning plastic. (That’s the PNW environmentalist person speaking – I’m not really, but whatever . .)

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  30. “I could not read the document put out by Phillips’ attorneys, so I just called the attorney’s office to see if they would forward a copy to me. I spoke with Joaquin (who said he knows who I am – ha!) and he said he would speak to the attorney to ask if this would be okay”

    you go, girl.

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  31. April 14 is the anniversary date of the sinking of the Titanic – Phillips’ favorite story about manhood – -you know, men protect women and children first and all of that.

    The timing of the lawsuit is interesting. The beginning of the sinking was late on April 14. My understand was the Titanic sunk April 15. Nice job, Lourdes, on the timing. (h/t FJ for this great tidbit!)

    Here’s a little Titanic reminder:

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  32. Ok, Joaquin from Diaz Jakob law firm (DP’s attorney) responded with the attachments, so I will post them on my blog and include links soon. He also told me that they are currently meeting with “client” for a follow-up statement.

    This makes me wonder since both statements are occurring within such a short period of time, why didn’t the original statement cover it? So, we wait with baited breath for a follow-up statement to the statement, because surely this must be very important for us to read.

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  33. “April 14 is the anniversary date of the sinking of the Titanic – Phillips’ favorite story about manhood – -you know, men protect women and children first and all of that.”

    Except for those in steerage……

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  34. Go Lourdes. You are showing the courage and righteousness of Jael. And I really like your timing! You drove the tent peg into the temple at the perfect time. May the Lord bless you and keep you, and congratulations on your marriage. 🙂

    Only when we get to heaven will we know how many other victims became empowered, by your example, to report the crimes they have suffered to the secular authorities, those who — by God’s ordaining, Romans 13 — bear the sword of justice in the Church age.

    Blessings and hugs to you, from one fellow survivor to another. 🙂

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  35. From the Final Complaint PDF
    http://www.wnd.com/files/2014/04/TorresComplaintFinalwithCoverSheet.pdf

    “Phillips espoused avoiding interaction with authorities at all costs. There is a pervasive sense within Phillips’s tight circle of people that they are engaged in a cosmic war, and that they avoid contact with the government and other outside groups that might hold them accountable or ask questions. Phillips used his training as a lawyer to help foster an unregulated community that operated as a “total institution” where Ms. Torres would have limited access to outside support as she came to see her situation as abusive.”

    WELL SAID!

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  36. First-time poster, long-time reader.
    Lourdes and Nolan, heartiest congratulations, and all best wishes for long and happy lives together. You have many, many supporters! Lourdes, you are doing the right thing, and I so admire your courage and strength. And Julie Anne, thank you for the work you’ve done here to set the record straight. The truth, and justice, will out.

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  37. The Final Complaint also names Voddie Baucham as someone who implicitly endorses of the idea that it’s okay for fathers to have emotionally incestuous relationships with their daughters:

    Paragraph 30 of the PDF:
    ‘Voddie Baucham, a leader in the patriarchal and quiverful movement, explains the patriarchal men’s desire to be revered by younger women: “A lot of men are leaving their wives for younger women because they yearn for attention from younger women. And God gave them a daughter who can give them that.” The attitudes that produce these ideas are what leads to physical, mental, verbal, spiritual, and sexual abuse of both women and daughters within the patriarchal movement.’

    I’m very pleased to see that the Complaint names Baucham in this way.

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  38. #teamlourdes:

    ps. I no longer feel real sorry for Beall Phillips after reading her threats to Lourdes. Beall was “ok” with Lourdes being abused and more worried about her well-being than the truth and justice for Lourdes.

    Beall is the WIFE of Commander-of-Gilead Douggie, Highborn, with all the Privileges of her husband’s Rank by Divine Right.
    Lourdes/Ofdoug is only the Commander’s HANDMAID, Lowborn.

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  39. @BarbaraRoberts:

    The Final Complaint also names Voddie Baucham as someone who implicitly endorses of the idea that it’s okay for fathers to have emotionally incestuous relationships with their daughters:

    I’m very pleased to see that the Complaint names Baucham in this way.

    EVERYBODY except Baucham’s yes-men and fellow MenaGAWD and their yes-men read his infamous statement that way. EVERYBODY.

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  40. The Final Complaint PDF is a treasure trove of good stuff:
    In Paragraph 31 it also names these people as promoters of HyperPatriarchy and its attendant consequences of almost certain injustice towards women and children:

    “Teach Them Diligently (operated by David Nunnery),
    Family Covenant Ministries (operated by Jon Summers),
    National Center for Family Integrated Churches (operated by Scott Brown),
    Voddie Baucham Ministries (operated by Voddie Bauchum),
    Advanced Training Institute Conferences (operated by Tim Levendusky), Generations with Vision (operated by Kevin Swanson), to name a few, continue to promote and encourage the philosophy of patriarchy while others who espoused this teaching, such as Bill Gothard or Jack Schaap, have stepped down or are incarcerated for crimes against children.”

    The wording of this Final Complaint is EXCELLENT, in my opinion. Well done to the people who had a part in drawing it up.

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  41. Barbara – You are hitting on the points that I haven’t had time to post, so thanks for that! Yes, let’s expose these Patriarchal groups right now!

    I agree with you that the complaint is well written.

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  42. Beall is the WIFE of Commander-of-Gilead Douggie, Highborn, with all the Privileges of her husband’s Rank by Divine Right.
    Lourdes/Ofdoug is only the Commander’s HANDMAID, Lowborn.

    Lourdes, Everybody — that was meant as sarcasm. Though it would not surprise me if that was Beall’s rationale. Another word for it is “Queen Bee”, and you find it a lot in Christianese Celebrity wives. (After all, they have Rank and Privilege as Wife of God’s Anointed.)

    Makes me wonder how many of these Christian Patriarch Uber Alles types in public go home to a She Who Must Be Obeyed in Private. And they’re compensating for it by kicking the dog.

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  43. @Emmaline:

    Interesting article by Libby Ann about Mike Farris’ comments distancing himself and HSLDA from biblical patriarchy. He’s never seemed very distant to me.

    The rats are starting to leave the ship?

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  44. Lourdes repeatedly told Phillips to stop molesting her sexually. He repeatedly ignored her wishes:

    TRIGGER WARNING FOR THOSE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED SEXUAL ABUSE:

    Final Complaint Paragraph 43

    “While Ms. Torres was living with Douglas Phillips and his family in October of 2007,
    Douglas Phillips entered Ms. Torres’s bedroom and without her consent began touching her breasts, stomach, back, neck, and waist. Phillips then began to masturbate and ejaculated on her. Ms. Torres asked Phillips to stop and broke down crying. Despite Ms. Torres’s repeated requests for Phillips to stop masturbating and ejaculating on her, Phillips proceeded to return and repeat this perverse and offensive conduct. Each night that Phillips returned, Ms. Torres requested that he stop. Defendant blatantly disregarded her requests but continued to masturbate and ejaculate on her each night.”

    My personal opinion:
    Doug Phillips is a sociopath with no conscience. If he had a conscience he would immediately be pleading guilty to this indictment, and he would be telling Vision Forum to stop putting victim-blaming statements on their Facebook Page.
    Lourdes is a very very brave woman and I honour how she resisted the abuse.

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  45. @Lydia:

    HUG, that also concerned me. At this point, what does Doug have? Can he pay lawyers?

    I would assume so. You don’t get to where he was without a hand in the Tithing till up to the armpit.

    What I really want to see is for him to try cosplay in court. In either of his two favorite personas: an 18th Century Nobleman and/or General Patton.

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  46. @BarbaraRoberts:

    Final Complaint Paragraph 43

    “While Ms. Torres was living with Douglas Phillips and his family in October of 2007,
    Douglas Phillips entered Ms. Torres’s bedroom and without her consent began touching her breasts, stomach, back, neck, and waist. Phillips then began to masturbate and ejaculated on her.”

    As has been pointed out, that is a shtick straight out of Hard Core PORN.

    (Only time I heard of that shtick before this, it was from a guy I used to know who packed his brains below his belt.)

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  47. It sounds like the Vision Forum Board used Beall — and Beall was actively complicit with the Board in this — to pressure Lourdes to be silent:

    Final Complaint Paragraph 54:
    “On October 3, 2013, Ms. Torres received an e-mail from Beall Phillips threatening her if she did not keep silent about what happened to her, i.e., her abuse
    [the Complaint quotes from Beall’s email to Lourdes]:
    ‘During the last ten weeks, and ultimately for the last nine months, you have been lighting bombs all across the country. Right now, you may have a perception of peace, but what you don’t know is that these bombs are about to explode in a manner that will change all of our lives forever. It will affect your life, your marriage prospects . . . your parents . . . and thousands of other people. It is far worse than you imagine. The VFM board has encouraged me to let you know about these and to work with you to give you an opportunity to stop impending destruction.’ ”

    My opinion: The Vision Forum Board is corrupt. And that’s an understatement.

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  48. IANAL but I worry that the case is asking the judge and jury to rule on the religious beliefs of those that practice patriarchy. Lourdes and her lawyers have to walk a verrrrry thin line on this.

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  49. Nmgirl, that’s why using the concept of total institutions rather than cult is a brilliant idea because it gets away from religion exclusively and encompasses a variety of social organizations including basic training in the armed services, prisons, mental hospitals, as well as convents and monasteries. They are any organization where people are isolated, supports for their sense of self are removed, and a new identity is created.

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  51. I had the opportunity to meet and hear Attorney David Gibb speak recently and was extremely impressed with him and his team. To call out leaders of the patriarchy movement in this complaint is a tremendous service to the Christian homeschool community.

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  52. I agree, Marsha. The courts don’t want to discuss religion. They just won’t do it. For example, I used the word “wolf” to describe my pastor which was one of the alleged defamatory words in my lawsuit. No court wants to discuss the spiritual definition of “wolf.” It was dismissed.

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  53. “April 14 is the anniversary date of the sinking of the Titanic – Phillips’ favorite story about manhood – -you know, men protect women and children first and all of that.”

    Just an fyi………DP’s story concerning the Titanic has more holes than swiss cheese….that are fabricated, embellished, exaggerated and out right lied. BUT almost all of anything he touched, said or did was like that……..he’s always been like that and unless you worship him, you were targeted.

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  54. Lourdes,

    I ache for you that you had to endure sexual abuse at the hands/body of DP. I am so blown away at your courage to name his abuse of you. YOU GO GIRL!
    Congratulations on your marriage. There is a lot of love for the abused here at SSB. Methinks you might need this safe place when the high & mighty start bitchin & moaning, lying & denying. I believe you! As many others here have already said. Praying.

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  55. These two passages of Scripture come to mind about things done in secret being shouted from the rooftops:

    “Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. 2 There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 3 What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs.” ~ Luke 12:1b-3

    “Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter:
    Fear God and keep his commandments,
    for this is the duty of all mankind.
    For God will bring every deed into judgment,
    including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.
    ~ Eccl. 12:13, 14

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  56. Lourdes is an extremely brave woman. She deserves our support, love, grace, and community. Whatever she needs the church should rally to their side and support her and her husband. We need to remove the wolves so that no other people get hurt That’s why Doug Philips, Mark Driscoll, CJ Mahaney, etc.. all need to dismantled and removed from teaching.

    You know what would be awesome JAS…is if the blog an community rallied around her and came to her aid. One of the things that was so neat about SGM Refuge was when Jim and the blog rallied around Esther at Sovereign Grace Chesapeake; and helped a battered woman get on her feet. It would be great if we could support Lourdes and her husband by donations to help offset any cost. Not only that but Biblically that would show the church being Bereans. 🙂

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  57. Very cool passages of scripture that you shared Barb. If not here, then one day. Patience, patience, no one, including me, is getting away with anything. It will be revealed. Yikes & yippee.

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  58. One more thing and I’ll be quiet. But when I read the graphic nature of what Philips did I felt sick. How is it? That churches and organizations rail against gays, porn, sex outside of marriage, etc… and then have some of these same leaders who go on and engage in that kind of lewd conduct. That was outright sick and disgusting.

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  59. One last thing…sorry…..but as a guy with a graduate degree in American History I am amazed as to how much Philips, Barton, etc… twist and distort history. They aren’t writing history they are writing propaganda.

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  60. Eagle said: That churches and organizations rail against gays, porn, sex outside of marriage, etc… and then have some of these same leaders who go on and engage in that kind of lewd conduct. That was outright sick and disgusting.

    What makes it worse for me personally, is that in these circles, girls are basically forbidden from even *flirting* with boys, because that’s “emotional adultery” against their future husbands. She likely never even flirted with a boy before Doug (is a tool) Phillips began using her like she was a gym sock. He stole her innocence, and then used her loss of innocence against her as a weapon to control her! The arrogance! Evil, evil man.

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  61. I like the Titanic edge here. In this case, the Captain will go down with the ship, into the abyss.

    Reading the lawsuit about the religious core beliefs in this satanic cult should send shock waves in all of Christendom. These abuses come from a core religious belief system that is defended by many, if not all Calvinists. This lawsuit will not change the hearts or minds of any of the men in these patriarch cults, since they hate the civil authorities intruding on their freedom of religious beliefs. To them, the only authority that they recognize is their religious leader, and a church court system.

    That belief system is barbaric, and inhumane.

    Hey Julie Anne,
    DP’s public statement almost sounds like Chuck’s “press release”, and Chuck’s weird blog site.

    Ed

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  62. Eagle- no need ever to be sorry, You are a truth teller, and I love your voice! Give em hell, because you make sense. “PROPAGANDA, twist & distort.” yup.

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  63. I am very concerned though that DP might just get away with this. If he did not take advantage of her until she was over the age, will he just walk away with only a tinge of his pride stepped on? (If this is even possible)

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  64. @Barbara Roberts on April 15, 2014 at 4:31pm

    You think Beall and the board were projecting much? Everything she claims will befall Lourdes is what will actually befall the Phillips family and VF. Lourdes is already married — so much for that threat.

    The nerve and outright evil in writing and sending that email to a young woman who was abused by Beall’s own husband is beyond belief.

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  65. Ed, You and I were tracking on DP and CON on their public statements-especially when I heard that there was to be another statement.

    What more is there to say, Doug? Just save it for court and spare us all the drama.

    Btw, I was serious when I said I was working on finding out about donations for Lourdes. I’ve taken preliminary steps and will keep you all posted. I loved your comment, Eagle, about being the true church and surrounding her with spiritual, emotional, and financial support.

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  66. a couple of things:

    #1. Michael Farris has made a public statement on facebook

    #2. Maybe DP sent the email from Beall or her email address?

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  67. Dear Lourdes, your bravery in telling your story has no bounds. There are so many people here who are going to be your personal cheerleaders in the coming days and months, in the times when it seems there is no hope and in the moments when you are shouting victory. Please do not hesitate to reach out in any of those moments. I am in awe of your strength and your ability to love even in the face of evil. May your marriage be blessed beyond measure. To your new husband, thank you for loving Lourdes and supporting her as she shares her story with the world. In many ways your job is just as hard as hers for you will be the unspoken and unseen hero. We will be here for you as well whenever you need extra encouragement and love. Neither of you is alone in the battle against Doug Phillips, you never have been and you will never be without a community of friendship. You are always in my prayers and even more so in the coming days.

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  68. I love all of your words of support to Lourdes and Nolan. I will do my best to make sure they know about these comments. Thank you and keep them coming.

    I only had a defamation lawsuit and remember how encouraging it was to see the support coming in from strangers. It was tremendous. This is love in action.

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  69. @JulieAnne:

    What more is there to say, Doug? Just save it for court and spare us all the drama.

    And not be THE Center of Attention?

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  70. @Sarah:

    What makes it worse for me personally, is that in these circles, girls are basically forbidden from even *flirting* with boys, because that’s “emotional adultery” against their future husbands. She likely never even flirted with a boy before Doug (is a tool) Phillips began using her like she was a gym sock.

    In herd-harem animals, the Alpha Male/Herd Boss claims ALL the females for himself, and either drives off or scares off the other younger males so HE can have unlimited access to his harem. “Girls are forbidden from even flirting with boys because that’s emotional adultery” is just another weapon of the Herd Boss to make sure NO other males can have access to HIS females. (And if it’s female, it’s HIS.)

    ANIMAL behavior.

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  71. “Lourdes is already married — so much for that threat.”

    Yes, so much for that. Marriage prospects? This sounds too much like, “No one will ever love you.” How incredibly low of Beall.

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  72. Wow, late to the party here.

    “What I really want to see is for him to try cosplay in court. In either of his two favorite personas: an 18th Century Nobleman and/or General Patton.”

    HUG, thanks for the laugh. That gave me all sorts of hilarious mental images.

    I mean, has Mr. Esquire ever actually served in any branch of the military?

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  73. So far, no one from the “blame-the-victim” crowd has commented here. But just in case– let me head them off at the pass with their 2 favorite scripture passages about lawsuits. First, there’s Proverbs 18:
    “The lot puts an end to quarrels
    and decides between powerful contenders.”
    Then, there’s I Corinthians 6: “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral…”
    (Or, just maybe, they’ll quote only the verses immediately prior to these!)

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  74. Mike Farris has posted a link to the article on his Facebook page and there are quite a few comments. There are some that make my head spin, but some really good ones, too, like this one:

    From JM:

    As I’ve learned a little more about patriarchy, one of the teachings that has disturbed me the most is this notion of the family patriarch as prophet/priest/king of the home. I absolutely believe in a husband’s headship as the Bible teaches (right alongside the responsibility to sacrificially love his wife as Christ loved the church). But the Bible also teaches the priesthood of every believer and the fact that there is only one mediator between God and man — the man Christ Jesus.

    As for daughters, this practice of finding prescriptive commands in the stories of the Old Testament, where the Bible only reports the facts whether good, evil, or indifferent, is a terrible way to exegete Scripture.

    Freedom in Christ is key here. Neither going to college nor choosing to stay home is sinful in and of itself, and neither is righteous in and of itself. Like many other Biblically neutral life decisions, either can be done for God’s glory and either can be done with sinful motives. As in many things, it’s about the heart.

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  75. @NJ:

    I mean, has Mr. Esquire ever actually served in any branch of the military?

    Probably not. Once you actually see the elephant, you usually don’t want to cosplay about it.

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  76. @Oasis:

    Yes, so much for that. Marriage prospects? This sounds too much like, “No one will ever love you.” How incredibly low of Beall.

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  77. Go, Lourdes!! Bless you for having the courage to stand up & let this creep be seen for the lowlife that he truly is!!!

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  78. Congratulations Lourdes on your marriage and blessings to you as start a new chapter of freedom! We are all with you and pray for you that this will be a time of healing and rest. You are a brave woman! 🙂

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  79. NJ said:” I mean, has Mr. Esquire ever actually served in any branch of the military?”

    Served? Served??? Who, Doug???
    Doug would never serve anyone anywhere. He’s above all that, dontcha know. He exists only to be served by lesser mortals, which is to say: everybody everywhere.
    Doug Phillips is a legend in his own mind.

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  80. “Nmgirl, that’s why using the concept of total institutions rather than cult is a brilliant idea because it gets away from religion exclusively and encompasses a variety of social organizations including basic training in the armed services, prisons, mental hospitals, as well as convents and monasteries. They are any organization where people are isolated, supports for their sense of self are removed, and a new identity is created.”\

    Marsha, I have never heard of this concept before and am very interested in it. What resources can you recommend to learn more.

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  81. One question I have about Vision Forum’s Facebook post is how do they know these are “numerous false and salacious claims against Doug and Beall Phillips?” Was the person who posted this around and sure that none or most of what is alleged didn’t happen? If they are taking Doug Phillips and his wife’s claim we know especially that DP is a deceiver so what makes those in Vision Forum think he isn’t lying again?

    When someone has been so deceitful for so long it is hard to believe anything he says. To put it another way, you can tell when DP is lying; his lips are moving.

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  82. The concept of the total institution is explained in Erving Goffman’s book Asylums. It is one of the classics in sociology.

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  83. Horribly crushing to ones spirit to read of the filthy details of this case and have much of what I thought about Doug Phillips confirmed. He isn’t just the average evil, little midget. He is a pathological lier, vile beyond belief, a complete phony, an adulator, hypocritical fool, complete pervert with abnormal sexual desires. In my opinion he is a dangerous PREDATOR that should be monitored closely when around women and children, if not incarcerated for the protection of the community. A man that will do such things, that has the desires to do such things is obviously sexually disturbed and dangerous. This type of perversion is always accompanied by addiction to the worst that the porn industry has to offer sick perverts like Phillips. There is no limit to what these types will do and often they end up preying on the weakest among us, the children of the community that are not exactly watched over by their parents.

    I’m very angry to learn that the Vision Forum board of directors attempted to cover up all this and I believe there is a crime there, OBSTRUCTION OF justice and WITNESS / Victim intimidation . That’s a federal crime under 18 US code 1512 and the board could very well be indicted individually if Phillips is criminally charged. If what Mrs. Phillips claimed in he letter to the victim is true and she was encouraged to contact the victim with that note, she is also very guilty and could be indicted herself. Assuming Phillips is charged criminally and I believe he could be under certain circumstances. At a minimum the individual members of the board and Mrs. Phillips should be named in the litigation.

    It’s good to see ole Doug, the bully always threatening to sue getting a taste of his own medicine. His attorney’s statement about “baring christian reconciliation” , turns my stomach. Doug’s same old tactics. This time that will NOT work, he is stuck between a Rock and a hard place and at this point ANYONE that defends him is just as VILE & Disgusting as he is. There is no defense or excuse for this conduct or defending someone involved in it OR willing to cover it up. Anyone throttling off with their family to sit under Snotty Scotty and listen to him pontificate about church organization, family integration, family values, sexual purity etc after he attempted to cover this up from FEB 2013 until the news broke last fall IS fool and a lousy father/leader.

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  84. @NJ:

    I mean, has Mr. Esquire ever actually served in any branch of the military?

    Why, the army of the Lord, of course! 😉

    Oh man, now I’ve got an old Sunday school song going through my head…
    I may never
    march in the infantry
    ride in the cavalry
    shoot the artillery
    I may never fly over the enemy
    but I’m in the Lord’s army, yes sir!
    (complete with a variety of hand/arm motions)

    DP was so fond of military stuff, I wonder if the kids at BCA were ever taught this one.

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  85. Dear Lourdes,

    I’m amazed at your courage. You’ve already shown plenty by standing up to Phillips, and showing him that you wouldn’t take any more of his oppression and abuse. Now I’m so glad to finally know your name, and to hear that you’re working to make his true face known to all the world. I don’t envy you for having to relive your abuse in the press and in court, so I hope it keeps this evil man from mounting any kind of comeback in “ministry”.

    May you have God’s peace and protection with you throughout your ordeals, and may He surround you with love and support from your husband and all those who truly care for you.

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  86. From Ann’s comment, yesterday around noon:

    “This does not sound like any type of mutual physical pleasure. According to this account, this poor woman was totally being used solely as an object for his arousal.”

    Well, Douggie is a Christianese patrio-centrist, after all. And we all know how they hate for sex to be an “egalitarian pleasuring party”. (Douglas Wilson, I’m looking at you.)

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  87. Lourdes, as a victim of sexual abuse as a child, I know you have a long road to healing, and this is a great part of it. Over coming the “victim” mentality is hard (where you blame yourself for everything instead of placing the blame squarely on the perpetrator), and this is a great thing. Your lawsuit has also given me the courage to write and send a letter to my state homeschool group to ask that they stop inviting these pillars of the patriarchy movement to speak, especially those named in your lawsuit. I refuse to go to the conference or support our state group until they stop inviting them.

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  88. “You think Beall and the board were projecting much? Everything she claims will befall Lourdes is what will actually befall the Phillips family and VF. Lourdes is already married — so much for that threat.

    The nerve and outright evil in writing and sending that email to a young woman who was abused by Beall’s own husband is beyond belief.”

    Bridget,

    Like SGMwikileaks, we are getting a glimpse into “the inside of the teacup”. And not the image projected to the followers. And it is always a bit of a wakeup call for those who are already questioning the doctrine of the movement.

    In Bealls world, an unmarried young woman is unprotected unless her father is part of the group to protect her. Being in the group is her “protection” no matter what they have done. (This is the cultic part)

    Beall cannot separate herself and her personal position in this. If it hurts her, it is bad “for the group” no matter how it affects anyone else or how evil it is. Beall is “set apart” as wife of the great one. In Bealls world, Lourdes is expendable once outside the group and must be stopped at all costs.

    When people who have invested heavily into the group get a glimpse inside the real thinking in these groups, they often do not believe what they are seeing. Like the foot in the garbage. Or we see the all too often Flip Wilson defense: The devil made him do it. Be angry at the Devil. Not Phillips. He just fell and we all know that humans fall all the time…..blah blah blah. Never mind those abused children or groomed teens for the pleasure of the leader.

    That is sick and it is not Christianity. I pray we get more glimpses inside the movement. The real stuff —so more folks can see how fake it all is.

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  89. “Well, Douggie is a Christianese patrio-centrist, after all. And we all know how they hate for sex to be an “egalitarian pleasuring party”. (Douglas Wilson, I’m looking at you.)”

    Serving, you are right. This is exactly where Doug Wilson’s teaching on sex goes. It objectifies women as objects to be used for men’s pleasure. It is how Doug Phillips views women…..

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  90. Lourdes is doing amazing work educating the church about clergy sexual abuse. The publishing of the details alone will tell other people in similar situations what abuse sounds like and looks like. These abusers are all the same with their promises and manipulations.

    However, this education is not Lourdes’ responsibility. She needs to do this lawsuit for herself. We are the ones responsible for educating our individual church communities and the church as a whole as to what this abuse looks like. There were many who commented on this blog who originally called it an affair and said because she was over 18 that she was just as responsible. If you are one of those, I pray you now see what it looks like and sounds like. According to the linked WND article, Doug bragged about how he was a sponsor at her graduation. how she was a member of the family and traveled with them, and how she “personified the characteristics a Christian woman should possess.” He was her mentor and her counselor. His lines to her about how he would marry her and how she would be responsible for destroying him if she told are classic abuser lines.

    Take this information into your churches, demand your ministers receive training in clergy abuse, and remind yourself and others that ministers are not direct lines to God. You have that power yourself. They are human and fail. Often. And when someone comes forward, as Lourdes has done, give her support and believe her.

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  91. I wish we could edit – “there were many who commented on this blog” – not this blog post. If that makes sense. I did not compare names or even remember the names of those who called it an affair. I just know that many did.

    Lydia, good point about the objectification of women.

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  92. Beale may have claimed to put blame on the VM board by saying that they “encouraged her to contact Lourdes” to give an impression of backing of the board without the board’s knowledge. That is a possibility to consider and one can’t assume Beale is telling the truth but my hunch is that the board probably did encourage her to write to Lourdes. Possible systemic corruption running very deep. Very grievous.

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  93. “Douglas Wilson, I’m looking at you”
    All quiet on the Moscow front, this morning! Pastor Wilson!?!? Enemies of The Lord may be chortling with glee over these latest developments! What say you now? Still sticking with your “too much testosterone” theory? Dougie’s lawyers may want to use that one. He succumbed to the blandishments of stripper Foxy Bubbles or the sexual jiujitsu moves of Delilah! They can try that also! Since you were the very first to compare Dougie to King David, let me quote this passage about David’s son Amnon– Phillips version: II Sam 13:11a -13d “Come, lie with me, my sister.” She answered him, “No, my brother, do not violatea me, for such a thing is not done in Israel; do not do this outrageous thing. As for me, where could I carry my shame? And as for you, you would be as one of the outrageous fools in Israel. Now therefore, please speak to the king, for he will not withhold me from you.” Dougie answered her “I love you and will take care of you! What we are doing is not wrong! And if it is, it’s completely your fault! (For being so beautiful, doncha know)

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  94. We don’t really know that Beall sent Lourdes that email. I am sure that Doug has complete control of Beall – and her email account. For all we know he could have used Beall’s email account to send Lourdes that email.

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  95. Your lawsuit has also given me the courage to write and send a letter to my state homeschool group to ask that they stop inviting these pillars of the patriarchy movement to speak, especially those named in your lawsuit. I refuse to go to the conference or support our state group until they stop inviting them.

    This comment has intrigued me and keeps coming back in my mind. It makes me wonder: what can we do as a group to be a bullhorn and say NO to this nonsense?

    I think I will take a look at the groups listed in the legal complaint. Perhaps an open letter to conference leaders – – or specific conferences? I’m not sure. If you have any ideas, let me know.

    I’d be happy to post an open letter to homeschool convention leaders who promote patriarchy. That is where I was first introduced to this dangerous ideology and it was touted as God’s way of living. Now I know otherwise. It is a way to hold women and girls in bondage and oppression. And that oppression is: spiritual, emotional, physical, and sexual. This must stop. Please post your ideas.

    Lourdes, you coming out like this has been a wake-up call to many. It is putting a spotlight on the abuses of Patriarchy and may save lives (emotionally, spiritually, sexually). This is very important. Thank you!

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  96. Blessings to the newlyweds! I am overjoyed to hear of this great news! Grace, and strength, and prosperity to you both!! And may you find justice through this lawsuit. Thank you Lourdes, for attempting to stop this arrogant man from continuing his false teachings.

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  97. JA,

    I’m not sure if an open letter would work. So many people don’t see the “extremes” in this. Or they take the bits and pieces that they like (father being the “head” of the family), but don’t follow the “girls must never go to college” aspect. So you get the “Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater” thing. It’s a challenge, because I would go to convention, but not listen to the primary speakers, just the workshops. They tend to “lighten up” their message, I think, to try to appeal to more people at the conventions. I always went for curriculum and help with homeschooling, and a little parenting boost. (Thankful that my marriage has been good, and that our church offers parenting classes every now and then, so I didn’t *need* those things from convention.)

    Part of the thing is, this movement encourages large families and homeschooling. Well, when you have 7 kids 7 and under, it is VERY HARD to homeschool, and take care of your marriage, and keep up the house without some help. (I only have 3 kids, and it’s not easy). So, when these mom’s fill out their surveys at the end of the conferences, they’re asking for marriage and organizing and scheduling talks, instead of how to homeschool talks. So, the conference organizers comply, and bring in more patriarchy people. (And not that I’m opposed to people with large families – I have several friends that have 6+ kids, but not all under the age of 7 🙂 )I just think this pressure to have as many kids as possible and homeschool puts a great strain on mom. I don’t have family living nearby to turn to for help. I wouldn’t think of asking other moms of large families to help while they still have little ones. So, I can see why all these moms ask for these kind of talks at the conventions.

    I definitely think letters directly to state organizations is good, and that fellow homeschoolers should write, too. CHEC (chec.org is the website) has K. Swanson, V. Baucham, and Rick Boyer are primary speakers this year. They still don’t have their “workshop” speaker list up, but I saw on facebook that Reb Bradley is speaking (I’ve heard some of his talks at a past convention, but I don’t know if he’s a patriarchy guy – he seems very humble and shares the mistakes they made with their kids in his talks, he’s a courtship guy, but has recognized that it’s not really defined in the Bible, etc.).

    I’m going to quote the lawsuit in my letter… maybe that will sink in 🙂

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  98. has anyone else noticed that any and all comments on the VF fb page are “hidden” or have not been approved to go public? Doug has always been one to threaten & squash you if you say ANYTHING negative about him at all……..Even if you didn’t say anything negative, just question him. Just question his being wrong in facts or wrong in a post or story…..you will hear from him and quickly!

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  99. Yes, I noticed that you cannot see the comments. I would really like to know who is running that site. It doesn’t make sense that Vision Forum board would be running it. It also doesn’t make sense that it is still active, period. The whole thing is odd. But you can see, that with an audience of over 20,000, that Phillips still has a very public platform and followers. Now, it could be that people forgot to “unlike” Vision Forum, but whomever posted that is counting on having some who will sympathize with him.

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  100. WouldRatherNotSay:

    You mentioned you aren’t sure an open letter will work. I’m not either. But I do know that getting this out in the spotlight, so that it’s searchable in the website search engines, gives people more access to information. It may not change the minds of conference leaders, but it could challenge conference attenders to dig a little deeper. If someone has a sense of “something is not right, but I don’t know what it is,” those are the likely folks who will seek out information.

    Once they find the answers, then they are better able to make sound decisions for their families. The idea is to get the message out. For too long, Patriarchy has been elevated as the standard without challenge. That needs to change.

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  101. Good point. I do like the idea of it being searchable. Putting it out there. I would love to see WorldMag or WND grab it and put it up, even HSLDA. One thing that bugged me when I went looking for Michael Farris’ comments about the lawsuit, is I could only find it through the link in this comment thread. I didn’t see it on HSLDA’s facebook page or a couple of other “Michael Farris” searches. HSLDA should take a stand and say we won’t be going to conferences where the main speakers are part of the patriarchy movement. Farris should too. I know, they want to support homeschoolers (or so they say… A friend of mine has had friends who HSLDA wouldn’t support because their cases didn’t support their agenda), so support them this way. Speak up and out. Farris regrets not speaking up before, so speak up now!

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  102. That’s what I’m saying. Through my media-frenzied lawsuit, God gave me this platform which puts my articles in good search engines. Let’s use it.

    Anyone want to use their creative writing skills in writing such an open letter that I can post?

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  103. Longtime lurker as I’ve been sorting through extricating my family from this patriarchy culture. As a father of 4 daughters, reading what this sociopath has done makes me want to meet him in a dark alley and educate him in the usefulness of Israeli special forces training. And by this I completely mean I would kick his @#$. Your pushup regimen wouldn’t help one iota Doug.

    All these patriarchy wimps can ‘pray’ for him and his wife, and try to sound holier than thou with their long-winded sophistry. Deep down they are still intimidated by him and wondering if he’ll rise like a phoenix. Better to not be too overt in their dismissal right? Quietly distance because ‘its the ‘Reformed Christianese’ way to handle it, right? Some are merely swooping in to fill the patriarchy vacuum and acquire the cash flow stream that was VF.

    No. Real men kick @#$ when things are obvious. Real men protect and fight when needed. This is why Lourdes’ family chased this predator down the street after he jumps out her window. They are the real men. They don’t just ‘play’ one on stage or in self-aggrandizing ‘crockumentaries’. They ended it right then and there. Looking down the barrel of a gun. Real men. With fire in their betrayed eyes. No lifts in their cowboy boots needed, Doug.

    Patriarchy puts the weight of the world via Old Testament manipulation on families, then runs to the New Testament for ‘forgiveness’ when the fruit of these doctrinal entrapments are shown in the light of day. It’s called EVIL doctrine. Wolves in sheep’s clothing. We’ll know a tree by its fruits. Their brand of ‘forgiveness’ is attempting to hide it (VF Board) to protect the cash cows (I mean ‘ministries’).

    Equally culpable are the sycophants who equate Phillips with some kind of modern-day King David archetype – ‘well, he ‘fell’ but I still believe what he taught was Biblical’…are you kidding me?! This knee jerk quasi-biblical response is merely projection. They actually do (or did) view him as their king. Not Christ. Little doug fricking phillips.

    They are that blind. *I* was that blind. Lock, stock and barrel. A one time conference speaker, leader in a well known ‘reformed’ church, the whole shootin match. Could smell the megalomania on Phillips from the first time I met him, but ignored my better judgement. Just wasn’t ‘reformed’ enough I told myself. Wrong. I was ignoring red flags because something inside me wanted to be in the ‘inner circle’ with these yahoos. That’s how a cult is designed – to make people deeply revere and subsequently want to become one of the leaders.

    Strange brew because this cult is more like a network – almost like the tapes and seminar kingpins of Amway. Different leaders and power structures around the U.S. – all vying for paid speaking gigs at each other’s events. They are information and event marketers, pure and simple. These are not ministries. While small potatoes in the world of business, they still rake in hundreds of thousands a year – under the guise of 501c3 status. It’s profitable! And just like Gothard and every other deceived ‘celebrity’ minister turned information marketer – they believe their monetary ‘success’ is God’s blessing. God’s ‘approval’ on what they are doing in this world to ‘take dominion’ and reconstruct America in the vanity of their mind’s eye. And if *they have ‘God’s’ approval, who are you and I to question it? MenoGAWD syndrome in the worst sort of way.

    But thank God for the Holy Spirit opening my eyes and getting my family out of this mess. We are truly free in Christ, led by the Holy Spirit and in relationship with a loving Father.

    We’ll be reading about this ‘movement’ on wikipedia as another creepy anomaly history lesson in American Churchianity. Beware of future iterations of it however. The wolves have to eat until they stand before God for their duplicity.

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  104. GladWeAreOut: Now THAT was an appropriate manly response! Amen!! And I’m thrilled about this:

    But thank God for the Holy Spirit opening my eyes and getting my family out of this mess. We are truly free in Christ, led by the Holy Spirit and in relationship with a loving Father.

    Yes!!! And please stop lurking. The homeschool movement community needs to see more of your kind of manly response to abuse. 🙂

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  105. Katie Botkin (not part of the homeschool ideology at all) is a great writer and really understands the Homeschool Movement and abuse issues. Thanks for posting those links, M. Joy.

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  106. @ Julie Ann yes, please write an open letter to those convention leaders. PLEASE. I have given up attending my local convention – the Homeschool Bookfair in Arlington, TX. They had a love affair with Doug/VF for years and became very legalistic. It’s the same group/type of speakers year after year.

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  107. Joe Morecraft who is somehow connected to Phillips, advised fellow Presbyterians that the civil magistrate is the enemy and as such are not entitled to the truth. This sounds like the idea of “total institution” that Marsha mentioned. It would be worth looking into. Phillips must have bought into it.

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  108. Nutshell: You are correct we don’t know for sure whether the board did actually “encourage” Mrs. Phillips to contact the plaintiff she could be lying, however I believe her claim. For one it aligns with the other facts. We know the board knew about Doug’s conduct back in February. Obviously they didn’t go public or deal with Doug appropriately and continued, business as usual. Tell tells me a lot, the board was trying to navigate through this mess without exposure. Those bums were taking nice side salaries and in the case of Scott Brown, he was taking a salary and his “ministry” was connected at the neck to Phillips and Vision Forum. When you really get down to it Scott Brown and Doug Phillips are like that ugly, two headed baby that carnivals use to display. One head is always scapegoating the other, blaming the other and trying to nurse off both nipples to get as much as he can for himself. Once it was obvious that the kingdom of Z Doug was going to crumble, Sir Snotty Scotty moved to distance himself from his ugly twin. Suddenly last Fall, Doug was unredeemable and the ministry had to be shutter, but Scott Brown and the entire BOARD knew about all this way back in February. Obviously Scott Brown and his board of jug Heads were quite willing to pull a Watergate, shrewed and conceal the truth and all to protect their precious income flow from Vision Forum. They are all a bunch of scumbags that but money ahead of truth and a young woman. They all wanted to continue to nurse off Vision Forum (and gullible donors) just like the ugly two headed baby. It’s really all very nauseating. A young woman had a perverted predator crawling through her window and ejaculating on her AND THESE MEN WERE WILLING TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY FOR A FEW BUCKS. Like a bunch of perverted operators of peep shows, gay sex clubs etc. Whatever for a few dollars. Scott Brown, Jim Zeiss and Don Hart are every bit as guilty as Doug Phillips. The ugly baby really has FOUR heads.

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  109. “I have given up attending my local convention – the Homeschool Bookfair in Arlington, TX. They had a love affair with Doug/VF for years and became very legalistic. It’s the same group/type of speakers year after year.”

    I believe it. My former church sells their curriculum at this fair. Birds of a feather . . .

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  110. GladWeAreOut! You really poured out from your heart your excellent thoughts from your own experience. Not sure which sentence or paragraph was better than the last one! These are quotable quotes IMO.

    You have discerned rightly, have changed your direction as a family, and now you are in a position to be available as a help to others!! You have nailed it well! I hope that you will keep commenting.

    OK, one of my fav’s: “Patriarchy puts the weight of the world via Old Testament manipulation on families, then runs to the New Testament for ‘forgiveness’ when the fruit of these doctrinal entrapments are shown in the light of day. It’s called EVIL doctrine. Wolves in sheep’s clothing. We’ll know a tree by its fruits.”

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  111. @GladWeAreOut:

    I was ignoring red flags because something inside me wanted to be in the ‘inner circle’ with these yahoos. That’s how a cult is designed – to make people deeply revere and subsequently want to become one of the leaders.

    Or one of The Leader’s enforcers in brown shirt, black tunic, armband, and old fighters’ chevron, enjoying the true meaning of “Fear Breeds Respect”. And the ambition to climb into The Leader’s throne yourself.

    What Lewis called “The Lure of the Inner Ring”.

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  112. Scott, that is some of the most COLORFUL language I’ve heard on this blog. Reminds me of Gene Scott when he had his own cable channel.

    “When you really get down to it Scott Brown and Doug Phillips are like that ugly, two headed baby that carnivals use to display. One head is always scapegoating the other, blaming the other and trying to nurse off both nipples to get as much as he can for himself.”

    “Once it was obvious that the kingdom of Z Doug was going to crumble…

    “Z Doug”? Analogy to that ZZ Best fraud scandal from some years ago?

    …, Sir Snotty Scotty moved to distance himself from his ugly twin.”

    Hard to do when you share the same body below the head.

    “Obviously Scott Brown and his board of jug Heads were quite willing to pull a Watergate, shred and conceal the truth and all to protect their precious income flow from Vision Forum. They are all a bunch of scumbags…”

    “A young woman had a perverted predator crawling through her window and ejaculating on her AND THESE MEN WERE WILLING TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY FOR A FEW BUCKS.”

    Isn’t that called “aiding and abetting” or “accessory”?
    Or joining in on the kickback income from a pimp through his Bagman?

    “The ugly baby really has FOUR heads.”

    Each head suckin’ on the gland to get as much as he can for himself.

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  113. Speaking of Reb Bradley, he acknowledges mistakes on child rearing but says that he and his wife stand by what they have taught in the past. He may have meant well, he may be a pleasant person to adults, but based on his book, he is a monster to children. I don’t think I could stand to be in the same room with him.

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  114. Gladweareout, Your 4/16 10;13 comment was AWESOME.

    There is nothing like waking up and having the veil lifted, is there? And seeing it all for what it really is. I know, been there done that, too. And I could not agree more that what we are seeing in much of American Christendom these days looks so much like the Amway method. And yes, we are talking cultic. Believe it or not the seeker megas were much the same back in the 90’s. They take reverence for leaders way too far. But I will say, the Reformed movement has perfected it to almost a science since they have the determinist god to affirm it all.

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  115. Our family started to really get into patriarchy about 9 years ago due to the influence of VF although we did not realize this at the time. We started moving away from it about 2 1/2 years ago.

    We are/were born again believers. My hubby is an awesome godly leader of our family but he is a little rough around the edges aka a real man. He swears sometimes and shows he is human 🙂 as well as myself. He reminds me of the guy above that keeps quoting how he will kick #@! My husband loves me dearly and is romantic but you will never see him blogging about it or taking me to a titanic ball (well maybe if I really wanted to etc) He is the greatest father ever too. He works 60+ hard hours a week and isn’t a pretty boy.

    But my point is this: I would be lying to you if I did not say that while getting into this movement I had wished my husband was more like some of these patriarchal leaders, “a really GOOD christian”.

    My husband was always suspicious of DP from the beginning and thought him arrogant by just looking at his catalogs and reading some of his work/quotes. One thing that always struck my husband was the pictures of DP in the army jeep that was not even his. Hubby said, “People are giving/lending him these things just so they can fit in his clique”, the jeep isn’t even his but he would like you to think it is. There is more but I wont bore all of us…

    Anyhow, shame on me for “wishing” my husband was more Godly or as Godly as these leaders. My husband has stood a long test of time spiritually with his rough edges and all unlike DP. My husband was/is “the good christian” hubby that I had wished for (I know he isnt perfect)

    I have been motivated by all that has happened to remind my married daughters to love the husband you have and not pray for him to be like someone else, but this has hit home real hard for me first. Even us older wives/mothers can learn something new 🙂

    This is a lesson for all of ladies that our eyes might be opened to learn something about ourselves from this horrible situation!

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  116. I keep thinking about the open letter idea. I think you are right, Julie Anne, there is an opportunity to be heard. And you do not stand alone. We debate lots of things here, but I believe there is a real consensus among the many SSB participants about issues surrounding abuse in the church and abusive teachings. There are some great writers too. Could we write open letters as a group and call ourselves something like the Spiritual Sounding Board Discernment Center?

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  117. The suit is in Bexar County (San Antonio) where DP lives, and the VFI and VFM are located. It is not Kendall, which includes Boerne, where the Boerne Christian Academy is located, and which could probably also have been named as a defendant. The law firm representing her is in Bartonville, about 11 miles S. of Denton, and some distance NNE of Ft. Worth. It is a long way to San Antonio for the attorneys to travel, 4-5 hours by automobile unless traffic is really bad, which happens often. (There is now an 85 mph bypass around Austin that can shorten the trip by a half-hour or so, again depending on time of day and traffic.)

    I am surprised that the plaintiff did not get an attorney in San Antonio area, and wonder how this law firm was identified. They appear to have done a good job with the petition, and it shows either an earlier experience with this type of religious cult community or a lot of research by the attorneys to elaborate the cultural issues that will be necessary to disprove willing participation by the plaintiff.

    I will be rooting for these attorneys. I have had experience with legal issues in a less patriarchal cultish church in the San Antonio area, and know that much of the juror pool will be knowledgeable about some of the issues. Picking a jury should be an entertaining spectacle, if the case gets that far. DP and the others may want to settle to avoid putting it all, and I mean all, in the public record.

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  118. I just want to chime in my admiration and prayers for this young woman. Lourdes, may you and your new husband
    find rest and freedom from those painful years. Many here on this blog are your cheering squad!

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  119. “Anyhow, shame on me for “wishing” my husband was more Godly or as Godly as these leaders. My husband has stood a long test of time spiritually with his rough edges and all unlike DP. My husband was/is “the good christian” hubby that I had wished for (I know he isnt perfect)”

    #teamlourdes, I can’t tell you how many women I’ve talked to about this whole fiasco that have said the same kind of thing ~ including myself. One size does not fit all ☺ or prove that they’re more Christian than anyone else.

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  120. Katie Botkin makes a good point in her blog post:

    “If Lourdes was merely out to play the victim, as some posit, she could have claimed Phillips assaulted her when she was underage, because she was frequently in his home when she was underage. She could have claimed he did other sexual things to her, or that he threatened her, or any number of things. But she didn’t. She’s outlining a very specific and a very believable train of events…”

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  121. Admin note: I just removed a comment. We don’t need to personally attack someone by telling them they were personally attacking someone else. My mama always told me, “two wrongs don’t make a right.”

    Days ago, I was notified privately that I missed a comment (personal attack) and deleted it. Normally I would have addressed the issue. Because the comment was well over a week old, it made no sense to bring the situation up publicly. It’s better to deal with issues as they present themselves which is why I rely on you all to inform me privately if I miss something (easy to do with a busy blog).

    Thanks for your help. ~Julie Anne

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  122. Texas law makes a pastor or similar spiritual leader using his “authority” to have sex (including “almost but not quite sex”, as in this case) with a person in his church, sect, cult, sexual assault. The presumption is a lot like statutory rape.

    Two forms are important. One is the person who is incapable of saying yes (due to age or infirmity), i.e., the young and the old, and some with limited intellectual or physical capabilities. The second is someone who is effectively psychologically or emotionally incapable to saying no and making it effective. This includes those being counseled or receiving psychological care, as well as those in the situation of this poor woman.

    The crime is a felony, and the convict would have to register as a sex offender.

    The civil lawsuit is a different matter and does not preclude a criminal case. The Bexar County District Attorney may be investigating.

    There could also be criminal implications of Beale’s behavior as well as that of board members of VFM and VFI, such as witness/victim intimidation, facilitation of the offense, etc.

    And I believe the BCA could be held civilly liable.

    BTW, the insurers of VFI, VFM and BCA may or may not pay to defend the suit under the circumstances, but is likely on the hook for some portion of any civil judgment. And DP may have had his own insurance!

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  123. Is there anyone willing to compile all the articles with links related to this lawsuit? I’m pressed for time, but would love to post that at the bottom of this article. This blog is getting a lot of traffic and it would be good to make info easily accessible. Btw, if you do a search in Doug Phillips and Lourdes, you’ll see new articles today.

    Just post a comment if you can so this. Thanks!

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