Christian Response to Suicide

A look at Christian response to suicide.

Christian response to suicide, Braxton Caner, Robin Williams, Matt Walsh, Kay Warren

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Yesterday, I tweeted this after hearing of Robin Williams’ death by suicide:

I asked him if he considered depression to be sin?
His response:

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We had more exchanges, he refused to answer my question.
I also got a personal e-mail from someone who had recently gone through postpartum depression and loss. She, too, was seeing heartless comments about suicide and the sin of depression.
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And then this article from Matt Walsh came through my Facebook feed this morning: Robin Williams didn’t die from a disease, he died from his choice

Here’s an excerpt from Walsh’s article:

So I’m just like you, then, because I can’t stomach the thought of it. I’ve seen it in the neighborhoods where I’ve lived and the schools that I’ve attended. I’ve seen it in my family. I’ve known adults and kids who’ve done it. I’ve seen it on the news and read about it in books, but I can’t comprehend it. The complete, total, absolute rejection of life. The final refusal to see the worth in anything, or the beauty, or the reason, or the point, or the hope. The willingness to saddle your family with the pain and misery and anger that will now plague them for the rest of their lives.

It’s a tragic choice, truly, but it is a choice, and we have to remember that. Your suicide doesn’t happen to you; it doesn’t attack you like cancer or descend upon you like a tornado. It is a decision made by an individual. A bad decision. Always a bad decision.

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This is what I posted on my Facebook status today:

I’m reminded of the story of Lazarus’ death. Jesus could have raised him from the dead immediately. Instead he saw Mary and Martha and offered comfort to them. I want to have the tender heart of Jesus for hurting people.

I’m aware of 3 suicides in the past couple of weeks. A 15-yr old son of a well-known Christian leader, a mother of 2 in Oregon, and now Robin Williams. We don’t know what was so painful in their life that they chose to end their life prematurely, but there are people all around us who are in pain and could use someone to weep and mourn with them as Jesus modeled for us.

A lot of Christians blame mental health issues on sin. The people I know who have mental health issues have been harmed deeply by others through various kinds of abuse. Sometimes these folks need a little extra tender care and a listening ear. To blame suicide on “sin” is heartless and not very loving. We can do better.

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We can learn from Kay Warren, wife of popular pastor, Rick Warren, whose son, Matthew committed suicide has responded to these tragedies:

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Let us have the heart of Christ for those who suffer pain and loss.  The world is watching us. The world needs a Christ-like response to pain, not judgment and condemnation.

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205 comments on “Christian Response to Suicide

  1. Looking at the tweets by Kay Warren, all I can say is that Kay Warren has so much class…..and love and compassion. She is an example of love in action.

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  2. Ok. So I looked up Perry Stone. The first video that came up was nothing but trying to sell videos, cd’s and books. He was selling himself. The second “Urgent message” was promoting a prophecy meeting with several ministers that would be speaking in October. The third was a message RE: is God removing his hand from American and then moves on once again to selling product. I’m not impressed.

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  3. Brenda,

    That’s fine.  His show is called Manna-Fest on TV.  I already said that I don’t agree with everything that he states.  Unfortunately, the choices of his broadcast from YouTube is terrible. 

    And, I have no problem of him selling DVD’s.  He’s not selling himself. 

    Listening to him in short 5 minute segments, or such, doesn’t give a “lesson”.

    But when he teaches, that is what I want to hear.  And I am impressed.

    He is a Hebraic scholar, and he has credibility.  Many of his shows are broadcast from Jerusalem, or Israel.  He gets people to think. 

    It’s ok to disagree.  He doesn’t advocate that people believe what he states.  He’s just giving insight of the deeper things of God that most Christians either don’t believe in, refuse to believe in, think it is heresy, think that he is of the devil, etc.

    I highly recommend him.

    Ed

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  4. Ed,

    All I can find the words to say are: come out from among Perry Stone and no longer buy his food. Julie Anne should do a post about his teaching. Only the TRUTH gives LIFE. Mysticism is very dangerous. I would definetly include his teaching in the list above.

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  5. Pondering,

    I totally disagree…100 percent.  It isn’t mysticism.  He is well respected within the majority of Christendom.  He is as well known as people such as Billy Graham, and a whole slew of other people.

    I am totally surprised that you have never heard of him before.  I am seriously wondering how involved people really do get in learning the Bible.  It doesn’t sound like people are really that interested. 

    In any case, he is well known, and well respected.  Those who have never heard of him probably never watches TV very much.  He is on numerous channels, including all of the available Christian TV Channels.

    It seems like some only want to see the carnal, and falsely accuse the spiritual as mysticism. 

    Ed

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  6. “He’s just giving insight to the deeper things of God”……

    This is what all who follow mysticim say….”giving insight” to those who cannot “see” because they are “interpreters” “spiritual” “enlightened” “annointed” “reformers”. What are “deeper things of God”? How “deep” does one go?

    God has given men and women the gift to teach His word but this is not such a man.

    This post is about suicide, let us point others to the only Truth which can give LIFE.

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  7. Ed,

    So is John Piper, Mark Driscoll, Cj Mahaney, Al Mohler, Tullian……

    It matters not who follows these men. Do they teach and preach the Truth, this is what we must ask ourselves!

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  8. “it seems like some only want to see the carnal”

    I do not only want to see the “carnal”. I just need no spiritual interpreter of what i see! Praise God or I may not be alive.

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  9. The people that you mentioned here are Calvinists.  They are in a league of their own.

    If you read up, people were stating that suicide was the sin of murder.

    In my experience in this blog, I bring in scripture to refute those claims.

    And that is where the spiritual came into play.

    Back in the book of 2 Samuel, the prophet Samuel died.  He went to Abraham’s Bosom.

    King Saul consulted a witch to conjure up the spirit of Samuel.  She did just that.

    Some people believe that the witch conjured up a demon.  But that is not so.  Why do I say that?  Because in the conversation that the spirit of Samuel had with King Saul, the scripture constantly states “And Samuel said…”, “And Samuel said…”

    It does not state “And the demon said…”. 

    Well, in that conversation, the spirit of Samuel told King Saul that the next day that Saul would be with him.

    The next day, King Saul fell on his sword.  That means that he committed suicide.  He wasn’t killed in battle.  Samuel, a prophet, prophesied that Saul would be with Samuel.

    Hence, suicide is not murder.

    Now, let me ask you this, who thinks that spiritual is mysticism.

    What is the promised land, as promised to Abraham?

    Ed

    Both Saul and Samuel are with Christ at this time.

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  10. Pondering, “I just need no spiritual interpreter of what i see!”

    Well, I look at what cannot be seen.  What can be seen is carnal.  What cannot be seen is eternal.  And that is what Paul said.

    If you can see it, it dies. 

    Ed

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  11. Who profits on selling cups and wafers? Calling this ‘kit’, “The meal that heal”. Is this why we are to partake in the Lord’s supper? No. We do this in remembrance of our Lord. And, who grows trees and profits off of them by calling them HOLY?

    (i recognize the packaging on the wafers!)

    There is absolutley nothing man will not do in order to make a profit.

    His website is like shopping at the mall.

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  12. Pondering,

    I was once told by a missionary that when Jesus said to “GO YE, and preach the gospel, that “GO YE” costs money.

    I do not judge a teacher who sells wafers, or books, or DVD’s. I judge the teacher by what he teaches.

    Again, what is the promised land as promised to Abraham?

    Ed

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  13. If you don’t wish to debate, that’s fine. But I see that you judge a person by what he sells, not what he teaches. But, if you wish to stop the debate, I will stop.

    Ed

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  14. “But some advocate that suicide is murder. Where did people come to that conclusion from? The Bible? Really?
    Murder REQUIRES hate and malice.
    That is the same reason that I abhor anyone telling unbelieving woman at an abortion clinic that abortion is murder. It lacks hate and malice.
    Suicide is not murder.”

    Merriam Webster:
    kill: to deprive of life: cause the death of
    murder: the crime of deliberately killing a person

    EX: 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill.”
    ECCL 9:4 “For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.”
    MATT 1: 20-21 “..for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus…”
    LUKE 1:44 “For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb with joy.”
    JOHN 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning …”

    Yeah, I kind of got the impression from the Bible that suicide and abortion are murder or killing and since Jesus tells us that murder is a lust of the devil and God commands us not to kill, it would seem wise to steer clear of it.

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  15. A Christian Father/Husband

    The HEBREW word used for out ENGLISH word is defined as MURDER, not kill.

    Unfortunately, our English word used for that Hebrew word was “kill”.

    Therefore, when the command is actually “Thou Shalt Not Murder”.

    And murder requires hate and malice.

    Ed

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  16. Ecclesiastes 3:3
    A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

    Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

    2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

    3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

    4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

    5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

    6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

    7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

    8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

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  17. Murder REQUIRES hate and malice.

    I have been thinking a lot about this statement and looked up the definition in different dictionaries. Hate and malice may be in the heart of the murderer, but not necessarily required. Murder can happen out of fear, usually fear would be due to hiding one’s sin.

    David killed many in battle and it was not a sin. He had Uriah murdered. That was definitely killed. I don’t believe that David hated Uriah, but he did want his sin covered up. What he forgot was that God knows everything.

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  18. Brenda,

    I like your answer, because that was gonna be my next question, actually, which is:

    Did David Kill Goliath, or did David Murder Goliath?

    I always ask that to people who say that the Ten Commandments state, “Thou Shalt Not Kill”.

    And yet, there is a time to kill.  And a time for war, which by the way, people are killed, not murdered.

    Ed

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  19. Ed,
    From my perspective that was a war/battle situation that saved many lives. David’s side won, of course. I can understand not wanting to take a life for any reason, but I know that if it were to protect my family, especially when the kids were small, an intruder would have known that this mama bear wasn’t playing.

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  20. Interestingly enough, Ed, there is a whole category of murder which does not result from hatred and malice, but rather a monstrous self absorption. In a narcissistic killing, someone kills ‘loved ones’ to prevent them from finding out that he is not the person he pretended to be. One example is the man who killed his wife because she was about to find out that he did not finish his bachelor’s degree and was not headed to medical school as he had led her to believe.

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  21. Let’s look at this from the point of King Saul/Samuel in 1 Samuel 25:1, 1 Samuel 28:1 to 1 Samuel 31:13

    According to 1 Samuel 31:4, Saul took a sword and fell upon it.

    The passage does not say in plain English whether he killed himself, or murdered himself. But, I think that we get the idea that “falling on your sword” is equated to killing yourself. But the question remains, at this point, is killing yourself equated to murdering yourself?

    The ONLY way that we can determine this is by the words of Samuel to King Saul

    1 Samuel 28:16,19
    16 Then said Samuel,
    19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the Lord also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.

    Question:
    What is the LOCATION that Samuel was discussing when he said that Saul and his sons would “be with me”? **********Why is this question important?
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    Now……………

    Malice:
    1. desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another, either because of a hostile impulse or out of deep-seated meanness:

    2. Law. evil intent on the part of a person who commits a wrongful act injurious to others.

    Exodus 20:13 (King James Version)
    Thou Shalt Not Kill

    Kill
    Strong’s Concordance Hebrew Reference 7523
    Properly to Dash into Pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder.

    English words used: “put to death”, kill, manslayer, slay, murder, murderer.

    Interesting note for you Greek lovers:

    The words of Jesus:

    Matthew 19:17-19 (KJV)
    17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

    19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Verse 18, murder.

    Murder
    Strong’s Concordance Greek Ref #5407
    From 5406 (a murderer (always of criminal [or at least intentional] homocide) to be a murderer.

    English words used: kill, “do murder”, slay

    Ed

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  22. Now, the word hate:

    From http://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/hate/index.html

    “The etymology of the english term hate is initially traced back to the greek term kedos. The –os is a greek linguistic device that is added to many of the root words in that language. The root of kedos is thus ked. From ked came khed, hed, het and the english hate. In greek, the term kedos is defined thusly: to break, to destroy. The english definition and conception of hate is derived directly from that conception.”

    But…but…but…

    That word “kedos” is NOT the Greek word used in the Bible.

    From the New Test Greek

    All, all (all) Greek words for the English word Hate is Strong’s Concordance, Greek Ref # 3404 – miseo

    3404 Miseo
    From misos (hatred); to detest (especially to persecute); by extension to love less

    English words used:
    Hate, hateful.

    Ed

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  23. Well your responses certainly didn’t lack words!
    Judging from your posts, you claim to be a Christian who states that abortion or suicide is not a sin. Based on the Bible, having life means one has “hope”. Based on the Bible, a child in the womb can feel joy — safe to assume a child in the womb could feel “misery”.
    I find it indefensible that a Christian could say that Jesus wants us to eliminate hope for a suicidal person or inflict misery on and eliminate hope for a defenseless, unborn child.
    Can you cite scripture where Jesus encouraged someone’s death or suicide or where Jesus hurt or killed a child? Of course not, but you can certainly find many examples of the exact opposite which witnesses cited as miracles indicating Jesus’ deity. If bringing people back to life was evidence of Jesus’ heavenly power, isn’t encouraging/condoning/explaining away the taking of life through suicide or abortion evidence of Satan’s evil power and his lust for murder?

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  24. A Christian Father/Husband

    Killing is not a sin, first of all.  Murder is.  Murder is from the heart.  abortion is not murder.  Unbelievers have no clue that the fetus is a life.  Therefore, from their heart, it is not murder, nor is it to them killing.  A person is only responsible for what they know.  All of the finger pointing and judging is pointless.

    I gotta go to work, and its a full day, and visit friends tonight.  Wont be able to properly respond until tomorrow afternoon.

    I like to dissect things, which is why I was long winded.  Just reading doesn’t give the full picture.  Asking the “W” (why, where, when, etc.) questions and searching the answers helps come to a determination.

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  25. ” Unbelievers have no clue that the fetus is a life. ” I really doubt that is true for most people now. They absolutely KNOW the baby/fetus is life, but they make the CHOICE to get rid of it. Only a very few/ignorant people these days would not know it is a baby, with all the videos, birth TV programs, ultra sounds , etc, etc, in the media and online.

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  26. There is absolutely no one here who wants a clinically depressed person to commit suicide. However, Ed is saying that it is not murder (I agree) and I am saying that it is not sin because the person is trying to end intense suffering and not mentally competent at the time.

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  27. Unbelievers have no clue that the fetus is a life. ” I really doubt that is true for most people now.

    Anita, I absolutely agree with you. Unbelievers are just as aware of the facts as believers are. Heartbeats can be heard in the first month now. In the OT days children were sacrificed to pagan gods, now they are sacrificed as a form of birth control, fear or the idol of selfishness. I know there are other reasons, as well.

    I do not think it helps anyone to stand outside abortion clinics and yell at people. In my area there is a ministry designed to help women keep their babies. Helping with coping skills and getting them set up with what baby will need for the first year to get them started. It doesn’t help that we have a government that considers abortion as “women’s healthcare”.

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  28. “I do not think it helps anyone to stand outside abortion clinics and yell at people. In my area there is a ministry designed to help women keep their babies. Helping with coping skills and getting them set up with what baby will need for the first year to get them started. It doesn’t help that we have a government that considers abortion as “women’s healthcare”.”

    Amen.

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  29. Brenda R and Anita, “Unbelievers have no clue that the fetus is a life”.

    This thinking comes from the pit of hell, back to what I referenced above….right back to a determinist god who created only some people good and some people evil who are unable to know or do anything good. I pray that no one believes this lie.

    God created all men and women in His image. God is Good….men/women are good!! Many will not choose to believe in Him but this in no way means that man is not capable of knowing and doing good regardless if one chooses to believe in Jesus Christ or not: it is a choice!

    Too many people have been told lies for way too long! As a result, believe these lies and live them out because they believe there is nothing good in them.

    Yes, ladies let help these moms live and their children, let’s teach them about LOVE!

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  30. pondering,
    I don’t believe that god created some of us good and others evil. It is a choice to believe in Jesus Christ just as everything we do is, he gave us free will, but Jesus Love is what I hope shines through so that many will believe. God is love. He is the only one that can do it perfectly.

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  31. 43 years ago, I took a lethal dose of 88 anti-depressants. I gave myself a possible out because I knew a friend was coming over and I planned to tell him what I did. He took me to a hospital and they pumped me out. It was close.

    I would ALMOST wish severe depression on those who mock suicides, so they can feel what it’s like. I say “almost” because I really wouldn’t wish it on anyone. It’s like a living death – not only are the slightest pleasures and joys denied you, in their place are anxiety, fear, and, of course, depression. It is constant pain. It’s hell. The last thought I had before taking the pills was “I will never feel differently.” Thank God I lived to find out that it wasn’t true. If any would-be suicide is reading this, I promise you that this is a lie from the pit of hell.

    I still live with depression, even after becoming a believer, but suicide is out of the question for me now. Besides the fact that I believe it’s wrong (though I don’t think one loses one’s salvation by doing it), I now have a Savior who is with me when I’m in pain. And He knew greater pain than I ever experienced.

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  32. ::::::heavy sigh:::::

    Wow, Jeff, I was absolutely not expecting that comment. Thank you for getting real and personal and sharing your story. I struggle with bouts of depression and you described it well.

    Wow – I’m having to wipe the tears from my eyes as I think of the fact that we are very fortunate to be reading your comment. You are here with us. You are alive. You have very likely given someone hope through reading the experience of your deep pain. Thank you. Just thank you.

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  33. JeffB,
    Thank you for your testimony. I believe we all have a cross to bear, it is how we handle it that matters. Being open and honest with what has happened to you may safe the life of another. Praise God that you met the Savior and perhaps will lead another to Him through what you have experience. I’m so glad you lived to tell your story.
    Brenda.

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  34. Brenda,

    “Unbelievers are just as aware of the facts as believers are. Heartbeats can be heard in the first month now. In the OT days children were sacrificed to pagan gods, now they are sacrificed as a form of birth control, fear or the idol of selfishness. I know there are other reasons, as well.”

    Just poppin in.  It’s 9:00 PM

    I believe (My opinion only) that if you asked a woman in the abortion clinic if she knew that she was “killing” (as opposed to murdering) a life, that the women would say “ABSOLUTELY NOT” (or something to that affect).

    I read all sorts of blogs.  Heartbeat or not, to them, it’s nothing but a fetus.  They do not believe it is a life. 

    Even the Jehovah’s Witnesses think in that same mindset.  They, the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that it is a “POTENTIAL LIFE”.

    Why?  Because of the phrase “Breath of Life”.  They don’t think that you are a life until you take your first breath of “air”.

    It’s true…that they think that.

    Ed

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  35. Pondering,

    You said: ““Unbelievers have no clue that the fetus is a life”. My response:  I am the one who made that statement. You said: “This thinking comes from the pit of hell, back to what I referenced above….right back to a determinist god who created only some people good and some people evil who are unable to know or do anything good. I pray that no one believes this lie. God created all men and women in His image. God is Good….men/women are good!! Many will not choose to believe in Him but this in no way means that man is not capable of knowing and doing good regardless if one chooses to believe in Jesus Christ or not: it is a choice!” My response: First of all, I am not a Calvinist, therefore I do not believe in a determinist god. However, I stand by the original statement that unbelievers “generally”, to add a word, does not believe that a fetus is a life. You say that it comes from the pit of hell? So, I am going to inform you of Romans 7, Romans 3, And 1 John 3:4.

    1 John 3:4, sin is defined as “transgression of the law.” Romans 3 shows that the law is the knowledge of sin. Romans 7 shows that Paul did not know lust, had not the law said thou shalt not covet. Without the law, sin was DEAD.  When was sin dead? 

    Paul states that he was alive once, but then the law came, and he died (spiritual death, aka dead in sin and trespasses).  Before that, he was alive, which means sin was dead.  Dead means that sin is alive. Alive means that sin is dead.

    Now, read Deuteronomy 1:39 and notice the words GOOD AND EVIL.  Pay attention to the words GOOD AND EVIL AND KNOWLEDGE.

    KNOWLEDGE is the key word in everything.  Without knowledge, you are not held accountable.  SIN IS ONLY ALIVE WHEN KNOWLEDGE OF SIN, WHICH IS BY THE LAW, OCCURS.

    Pit of hell?

    Ed

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  36. Because of the phrase “Breath of Life”. They don’t think that you are a life until you take your first breath of “air”.

    Ed,
    Sounds like splitting hairs to me and a lie they are telling themselves to make it easier to make a wrong decision. Life starts when God creates it. It is created when sperm meets egg. In most cases, a decision is made that could affect the rest of your life in having intercourse, at the time. It doesn’t have to get that far. Other choices could be made, like popcorn and a movie. There are other things to do. The choice was already made. God made us that way. Sex was made devinely for our pleasure in marriage and the creation of life. If you don’t want to create life, you should obstain from the pleasure. If Christians don’t help others to rewrite the mindset, who is going to. The Christian community didn’t fight hard enough to prevent legalized abortion, taking away our freedom to pray in school and we will continue to loose our freedoms if we don’t stand up and call sin what it is.

    I will never judge someone who chooses abortion, that is up to God. I will however do anything in my power to help a woman or girl make a decision for life. I don’t have a spare bedroom, but I could get a larger apartment. I know women who have aborted their babies and lived to regret that decision very quickly. Especially those in late term abortions. I could write a whole lot more on this topic, but I will stop there. It can get rather graphic and you will not be able to change my mind on this one.

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  37. GOOD AND EVIL AND KNOWLEDGE.

    Ed, People are aware of Good and Evil at some point in their lives and have knowledge of it whether being a Christian or not. They will still be judged on it by God whether they accept Jesus or not. The more evil, the greater punishment. God is not going to accept a “whoops, I should have known better after it is too late”. I would that everyone would accept Christ and follow His lead, but not everyone will. Adam and Even passed on the knowledge of good and evil when they took the first bite from the tree. Unless a person has a mental disorder, they will know the difference and choose which one they will make their Lord.

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  38. Jeff…..Thank you so much for sharing a painful time in your life. I believe you’ve encouraged others with your words. Praise God you survived!

    Blessing to you, Jeff.

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  39. JeffB,

    I prayed at 9 yrs old to God, to please let me die. Tried to end my life when I was 28 with a serious overdose.

    I had a nurse at my side, that night, who said to me: “God has not given you a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind”… I had no idea what the heck she was talking about.

    Thank You for saying: ” I would ALMOST wish severe depression on those who mock suicides, so they can feel what it’s like. I say “almost” because I really wouldn’t wish it on anyone. It’s like a living death – not only are the slightest pleasures and joys denied you, in their place are anxiety, fear, and, of course, depression. It is constant pain. It’s hell. The last thought I had before taking the pills was “I will never feel differently.”

    God Bless & keep you Jeff. Amen.

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  40. Hugs to you, Gail. So glad you are here, too. You have brought a lot of joy to people by your encouragement here. We are the privileged ones. Life is so precious, folks. Wow.

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  41. Ed,

    “pit of hell”

    Yes Ed, this is from the pit of hell. To say “unbelievers have no clue that a fetus…”, is a lie declaring mans depravity which is what the mystics teach. While you may not understand, this is exactly what you are stating.

    We are not discussing ‘sin’ and ‘law’ in this statement, but unbelievers having “no clue” and it doesn’t help by changing what you original wrote by adding to the sentence “generally” and regardless you still “stand by the original statement” that you made. This only muddles even more because you have now agreed some can understand. So which is it? Who determines this knowledge?

    Do you understand even many individuals who declare they are Christians ‘have no clue’ about what ‘life’ is as well?

    What can unbelievers have a clue about?

    The unsaved are free in regard to righteousness, this is what is written in God’s word. The unsaved can make good choices and bad choices they can even think, understand, reason, learn, become doctors…….praises God! It was an unbeliever who saved my LIFE!

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  42. Gail, I, too, am glad you survived. And to pray for death at 9 – I can only imagine what that must have been like.

    pondering – Thank you very much.

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  43. JeffB,

    Your heartfelt, clear words, gave me the courage to say what little I did. Thank-You again.

    Julie Anne, I am so grateful to be here at your blog. Hugs to you also.

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  44. As a endless struggling to survive believer in God through His Eternal Light and Living Word Jesus Christ, I have heard so many Christians claim, that when someone commits suicide that person’s soul goes to hell. Thus, they as unjust judges pass the final judgment on such a person, not knowing the endless pain that the person no longer could endure.
    Therefore, based upon the truth of God’s Eternal Living Word, by starting with Micah 3 v 1 to 4, James 2, and 1 John 3 v 15 to 19, (which are but just a drop of God’s Truth), there are many Christians who end their lives because they were already spiritually murdered by those who deceitfully claim to be Christians and followers of God. These are they that believe in God as the demons do, but they do not serve God in deed and in truth.
    As believers in God, they want to be the self-righteous receivers from God, not knowing what serving God is all about. By believing and serving God as a servant, one becomes not a receiver, but one then becomes a giver as God supplies. This saying, with the righteous and Graceful gifts of God, His true servants and followers must serve those who are in need with God’s Perfect Love. Thus, not being masters of greed, but being His servants by sowing fruitful seeds in Spirit and in Truth. ( Matthew 5 v 20, Psalm 12, Psalm 49, Proverbs 21 v 13, Proverbs 28 v 27, Isaiah 58 v 6 to 11, Matthew 25 v 31 to 46, Luke 10 v 30 to 37, Luke 16 v 19 to 31, and much, much more.).
    On my last leg of my earthy body life, struggling to survive and just longing for the crumbs that fall from the rich man’s table, daily I experience the pain how Christians pluck off my skin and the flesh from my body. With greed, they eat my flesh and break my bones, and chop my bones to pieces as for the pot, becoming what God claims them to be in 1 John 3 v 15 to 17.
    Being drained and extremely tired of years of suffering, my mind has planted the seed of suicide. Being a believer in God with continuous pleading and crying before Him, should I end my life, it will not be because of so called depression, it will be because of physical and spiritual oppression and murder from those who falsely claim to be children of God.

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