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Is the Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood Drinking Mormon-Flavored Koolaid?


Will there be Complementarian or Egalitarian marriages in heaven?  What about Biblical gender roles in heaven?  What in the world is Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW) talking about?


A link to an article was posted in the comments today.  I don’t have time to flesh it out (trying to get another important article done), but I’d love to know your thoughts.  CBMW is the group started by John Piper and Wayne Grudem.  Their agenda is to remind us of their interpretation of Biblical roles of manhood and womanhood.  Remember, Wayne Grudem wrote 83 rules for women – – i.e., women can’t teach hearing men, but they can teach deaf men – – ya know – those kinds of rules.


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Here’s the article:  Relationships and Roles in the New Creation  The author is Mark David Walton, a senior pastor in Tennessee who went to the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. I could not help but think of the Mormon teaching on the afterlife of marrieds.

[NOTE:  The day after the publication of this article, CBMW removed the article lined above.  Here is a cached copy of it.  Here is a new article discussing the removal of the article:  Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood Removes Article about Complementarian Roles in New Creation  ~ja 3/14/14]

The introductory paragraph:

In an earlier article, I set out to answer the question of whether resurrected saints will be distinguished as male and female in the new creation.  The weight of evidence, both biblical and logical, convincingly suggests that gender is central to our personal identity and shall remain an integral characteristic of our lives for eternity-a conclusion that is scarcely controversial. (Most of us, after all, are quite comfortable with our gender, and would regard the prospect of change in that department as . . . well . . . unsettling.)

And then there’s this:

The new creation will, indeed, be a place where equality reigns-but not as feminists define the term. It will be equality as biblically defined, equality that has its basis in divinely established human worth.

Um, chapter and verse, please?

And this:

But, if Lewis is correct, we would do well to begin now ordering our lives in such a way as to acquire a “taste” for things to come.


I’m not sure all ladies will be looking forward to a heaven where women submit to all men. I’m wondering does this include single ladies, too?  Maybe Grudem can better define this for us:  83 Rules for Women in the New Creation.

The closing paragraph:

There is so much that we cannot yet know about life in the new creation. We can be confident, though, that “God must have some very profound eternal purpose for manhood and womanhood.”52 There is every reason to believe that gender-based distinction of roles will remain. The social fabric of gender-based distinctions of roles was weaved in a pattern that accords with the prelapsarian decree of the Creator. In the new creation, that fabric will not be discarded or destroyed. The stains will be removed and rips mended. The fabric will be cleaned and pressed. But the pattern established in God’s “very good” creation will remain.

If what CBMW says is true, I’d rather be a Mormon.  At least if you’re Mormon, you get your own planet.



135 thoughts on “Is the Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood Drinking Mormon-Flavored Koolaid?”

  1. “CBMW seems to have pulled the post. Very manly action, isn’t it?”


    What? Their teaching cannot withstand analysis from the peasants? Hee Hee. How many times have I seen this over the blogosphere years. Quite a few, frankly, which tells me all I need to know about the ivory tower wolves.

    But some clever rogue somewhere usually has a screen shot tucked away so good luck to CBMW trying to erase stuff.


  2. @DanWilkinson:

    Either you’re equal or you’re not. There’s no special ‘biblical’ definition of equality. CBMW loves this sort of Orwellian manipulation: all people are equal, but some are more equal than others.

    My Dear Wormwood,
    Remember my previous letter about semantics? Specifically, the redefinition of words into their “diablolical meanings”?
    Your Ravenously Affectionate Uncle,


  3. Marion, there is a reason why I’m allergic to the word SCRIPTURE(TM). My first thought upon hearing it is “here comes the beatdown”. And the barrage of Bible Bullet proof-texts. (Can you tell I’m from the heartland of Calvary Chapel country? AKA the Burned-Over District of the late 20th/early 21st?)


  4. Dear Unicorn…sorry to hear that; explains some things…I’m new to this site. Speaking of Calvary Chapel, are you familiar with the following blogs? N4TM and Ephesians 511? They have done massive research into CC…I’ve done plenty of my own, in checking their reports. There is MASSIVE deception that is presented as true Christianity.

    Reference to any site is informational only, and not an endorsement of any person, group, or philosophy.

    Check them out…I’d like your feedback.


  5. PS…Unicorn, we ought not to allow man and his wickedness rob us of the beauty, the precious truths and blessings bestowed by God to us in His Word!

    He calls us by His gospel, “to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
    “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word or by our epistle.
    Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting CONSOLATION and good hope through grace,
    COMFORT your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.’ (2 Thes.2:15-17) (caps mine)

    The comfort…found in His Word…the Scriptures…which God intends for blessing and encouragement, the enemy of our soul takes, twists, misrepresents, that he might do one thing alone…destroy faith!! May all God’s people be strengthened that they mightt STAND faithful to the end!!

    Jesus says, “Behold I come quickly: hold fast what thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
    Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall no more go out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God , which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.” (Rev. 3:11-12)


  6. Maybe CBMW thinks that a woman’s glorified body is tantamount to getting a lobotomy here in this life. I often say and believe that this is what it would take to get me to be a comp.


  7. “…That obedience is not even thought of as obedience, because that is what will come naturally to us.”
    So, in heaven we women will not “know in full.” (1 Cor 13:12) We will only know what to do when men tell us.
    And I won’t inherit all things – there are certain priviledges only inherited by sons*, and I won’t be a son. (Rev. 21:7)
    And God’s female servants won’t reign with him (Rev 22:5) – they will be reigned over.
    *The places where God calls all believers his sons may sound sexist to our ears, but I think it is the opposite: In a culture where sons inherited and daughters usually did not, calling male and female his sons was a statement of equality in inheritance.


  8. *The places where God calls all believers his sons may sound sexist to our ears, but I think it is the opposite: In a culture where sons inherited and daughters usually did not, calling male and female his sons was a statement of equality in inheritance.

    This is it. You know it makes me FURIOUS when they teach Galatians 3 as only about salvation. NOPE. It is about FULL Inheritance of all of it. The “scholars” and pastors lie because they know better.


  9. Retha,

    Absolutely perfect! We all, regardless of gender, inherit all. And yes, we are all called “sons of God”.

    John 1:12
    But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

    Romans 8:14
    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    Galatians 4:6
    And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    Galatians 4:7
    Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

    Philippians 2:15
    That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

    1 John 3:1
    Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

    1 John 3:2
    Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    Revelation 21:7
    He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

    Even the Angels are known as the “sons of God”

    Job 1:6
    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

    Job 38:7
    When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

    ****There is no gender since everyone is a son, both male and female. A female is a son.



  10. Oh for crying out loud… I got the link for here from a friend of mine who made reference to this and all I’ve gotta say is that idiocy like this is why I left the Mormon Church and have no intention of ever going back. At the age of 12 I put my trust in Christ and Christ above all others. Not my parents, not the Church, not my ancestors or the “leadership”. I put my trust in Christ. It took me another ten years to finally realize that trusting Christ didn’t mean that I had to be what the Church told me to be.

    Besides, as a storyteller and a writer, I get to build my own worlds all the time in this life. It’s a lot more fun this way.


  11. HOOORAY Maracae!!!!

    I’m glad you’ve found your joy, especially in light of your history and the sacrifices I know you must have made.


  12. Although I posted this mornig on the ‘husband’ thread, I thought ythat this is a better place for what I saw thi morning.

    I was plodding through the preamble of one of the CBMW’s garbage on the future doom of womankind and even before I got to the bit that laid out their ‘doctrine’ Jesus whispered ‘minas’.

    YES!!!!! 😀 😀 😀 Get it?

    What is the reward for his faithful servants?…. Rulership!

    Over what?…..CITIES….. containing ‘males’ and ‘females’ or neither, whichever view you want to take.

    So if I have been a faithful female now, and if I am still ‘female’ in the New creation I will be ruling over ‘MALES’ !!!

    If THAT is God’s design for then, it is ALSO his design for NOW.


    Eat that CBMW! 😛


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