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Greg Morse at Desiring God Laments Strong Women

Greg Morse, Desiring God, Complementarian Theology, Misogyny

Greg Morse Desiring God

-by Kathi

Greg Morse at Desiring God recently lamented over the female lead role in the superhero movie, Captain Marvel. Here is what he thinks of society’s view of women in protective roles:

As I consider Disney’s new depiction of femininity in Captain Marvel, I cannot help but mourn. How far we’ve come since the days when we sought to protect and cherish our women.

I wish it were. Instead of engaging the movie’s ideology as mere fiction, a fun escape to another world, we have allowed it to bear deadly fruit on earth. Along with Disney, we abandon the traditional princess vibe, and seek to empower little girls everywhere to be strong like men. Cinderella trades her glass slipper for combat boots; Belle, her books for a bazooka. Does the insanity bother us anymore?

We ought to lament that feminist lust cannot be appeased, even with blood. It takes its daughters and now, calling men’s bluff, advocates for sending its mothers into the flames.

We used to be attuned enough to know how shameful it is for men to hide behind their women, hoping she will take down Goliath. Have we forgotten how precious our women are? Have we forgotten that it is our glory to die in their place?

I would venture to guess that if Mr. Morse was in a profession where his life was in danger every day he would appreciate the women that worked along side him in the same capacity. None of his rhetoric is surprising given John Piper’s views of women in the military. Morse is merely towing the DG party line.

But, then again, his thoughts on women also shouldn’t be surprising since he thinks effeminacy is a sin obscured by Satan.


Twitter has been all abuzz with people commenting on the article. Morse sure got a lot of push back, understandably:

Well, there was someone who liked the article:


To end, I would like to suggest to Mr. Morse that he stop using language such as “our women” and “their women” in his writing. Women are not property of men. Women are human beings and image bearers of God. And women are as willing as men to lay down their lives for others.

332 thoughts on “Greg Morse at Desiring God Laments Strong Women”

  1. I hate to say it but Greg Morse is 100% correct
    Women have become increasingly masculine, and these masculine traits are relentlessly pushed by the media and Disney
    Also, don’t know what Bible you’re reading but effeminency is a sin
    Also women are NOT image bearers of God, the word of God states that man was created in the image of God and women are created in the image of man
    Also women are men’s property, much as the modern western mindset despises that concept, it is clearly taught in scripture… A woman is under her father’s guidance and authority and then she is transferred to being under her husband’s authority when she gets married… That is God’s decreed order, NOT MINE

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  2. We are off to an interesting start. Necron48, if you want to post here, you need to use at least elementary-level punctuation: periods. It’s too difficult to read without it.

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  3. Lol 😁 yeah I admit it was a rushed post
    I got to say, I admire your “bravery ” and I hope you take this as a compliment but you have a 1000 times more intestinal fortitude than all the men I’ve seen in here
    You responded courteously to my comment and you didn’t insta block men like ALL the men would have done.. That scores high points in my book and raised my estimation of you ☺

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  4. Were you in a rush with your last comment? Most of your sentences don’t have periods. I’m going to bed now. If I see more comments without periods, you will go to the dog house. Please use common courtesy.

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  5. Wow! You didn’t even acknowledge my apology to you.
    I find it extraordinary that you’re more concerned about my lack of periods rather than the “content” with what I’ve been saying.
    This comment based on current grammatical trends has the required amount of punctuation. I hope it passes your inspection.

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  6. Until about 100 years ago we were property of our husbands. “To Have & To Hold” is a legal phrase used in deeds when buying property. The whole point is they still believe this & are working to turn the government back to this point, because “That is how God ordained it.”
    i.e. They can’t conceive of a god greater than the one between their legs. The vatican even has it in Canon Law that we have to sacrifice our children to it. That is also why the “My Pillow” guy proclaims Trump as god’s anointed.

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  7. @Ann Wingert
    You are correct in saying only up to the last 100 years women were the property of their husbands, and as a whole this benefited both women and society. Now women have thrown off their symbolic shackles and unleashed the most destructive, vicious man hating feminism the world has ever seen. This has led to women becoming rebellious against all forms of male authority, becoming masculine in their character, abortion on demand, no fault divorce, alimony, disgusting sexual promiscuity, divorce raping men in courts, a system where women are not accountable for their sins but instead blame men for EVERYTHING.

    But don’t worry a pushback is occurring, where men are no longer prepared to take abuse from women any longer, we are refusing marriage and relationships and walking away from them for good, let women destroy society, we don’t care any more, because in the end there will be no men left to defend and protect women, and when they reach age 50 and beyond with only their cats to keep them company, they will sob inconsolably and wish to come to being under a husbands authority and leadership. The sad thing is women will nevertheless able to see that by throwing off male authority they couldn’t see they were the agents of their own destruction.

    Whether you like it or not, women are decreed by the highest power in the universe, namely God Almighty, to be the property of their husbands, that is God’s authoritative wish for women and I agree 100% with that. To reject that, is to reject God HIMSELF. The pendulum has already began to swing back to how it should be, but the instrument of that is believe it or not, not coming from Christianity, it is being pushed by Islam under Sharia law. I believe it’s karma for women’s rebellion, since Christian men are too weak to get their women under control, God is going to force women’s obedience by a radical and evil religion called Islam, and they are rapidly infiltrating the West because of massive immigration laws. Women enjoy your freedom while it lasts because once Sharia law comes into effect, you will beg to become the property of your husbands again, but unfortunately it will be too late. The earth is literally rebelling and violently resisting female domination, and the earth intends to right the balance. Soon us men will get our power back, and I for one are earnestly praying for that day to come.

    Come Lord Jesus and rule with the rod of iron as we establish patriarchy once again.

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  8. Imagine being a man with 8000 superheroes to choose from and getting this mad that one is a woman? Because that’s all this article is. Pathetic.

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  9. Have we forgotten that it is our glory to die in their place?

    100% this guy has never been in the position of dying in anyones place. I’d be shocked if he bothered to do tiny little things for people, since I think this was also the guy salty about the gillett ad that dared to call men to do stuff like stop harassing and bullying others.

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  10. Necron, if you actually read the Bible instead of just Desiring God, you would realize how unbiblical your statements are. If you doubt the NASBs translation, you can read it from the Interlinear Bible.

    “Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

    Who are the them? The non-existent male children, or the two people God created – Adam and Eve? Who is “man” – the Bible interprets itself, not one man, Adam, but “them”. “Let us make man … and let THEM rule.” Man is THEM – Adam and Eve.

    You’re just following your father Satan who wants more what’s found in Gen 3: “And he will rule over you.” Jesus came to UNDO the curse, not to amplify it like you want to.

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  11. To end, I would like to suggest to Mr. Morse that he stop using language such as “our women” and “their women” in his writing. Women are not property of men.

    KAS used similar language the other day. Maddening.

    necron48 appears to be of the MGTOW variety, which tends to be steeped in misogyny. To look at human history and decide things were better for women as the property of men is to ignore history pretty thoroughly. Women have been pushing back on their ‘symbolic shackels’ for a very long time. Maybe he should think about why.

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  12. And to channel Casseopeia… “what a coincidence that the most misogynistic [comments] have the fewest Biblical references. Fun.”

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  13. Greg Morse’s article reads like a parody, but he’s from Desiring God Ministries, and that’s the way John Piper also writes, so I’ll take Morse seriously.

    In lamenting the current feminist trend in Disney, however, Morse shows that his idea of true womanhood comes from the earlier Disney animations. Where else did he get his “Princess” fixation? I think his most parody-like comment is when he ties “feminist lust” to the human sacrifice cult of the fire-god Moloch. This is fun stuff.

    And then there’s the first comment by Necron48. Again: could be parody, could be serious. He really should re-read Genesis 1:27 however—it’s both male and female who are created in the image of God. I think he’s confusing it with the Genesis 2 story, where the woman is created from the rib of the man (thus making her subordinate to man?) whereas the man is created from the dust and dirt of the earth, making him subordinate to, or less than, dirt.

    Now, that’s humiliating. Or it should be.

    When my wife gets home I’ll ask her if she’s my property or not. Really should get that straightened out.

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  14. Seriously Julie Anne and Kathi,
    A person by the name of Greg Morse (never heard of him before, sorry Greg) is worried about a super hero being a woman???????????????????????????

    What is this world coming too? With all of the serious problems of this world, the very same as in Jesus’ day (starvation, sickness, poverty, warring amongst the peoples for power and control, oppressive governments, murder, death, abuse of every kind, amongst a host of other human conditions, Morse is worried about a woman role model, who is labeled a “feminist?”

    I stand is awe and wonder of how far down the manure hole our religious houses have digressed, due to the mentality/wicked ways of some of these individuals who label themselves as “men.” A true born again Christian, believes that we, both women and men/men and women, are “co-heirs” in Jesus Christ, apart from the mentality/worship of the visible Nicolaitan c’hurch system we observe today. Jesus hated that system, and I believe His Words are true….which He still hates in our day and age.

    The Nicolaitan c’hurches, alive and well in our day, are the perfect image of oppression, abuse of every kind, greedy for money/mammon, and desiring to be worshipped in place of Christ (a sort of replacement theology, if you will.” This is precisely why Jesus, the Living Christ, has become my first and foremost authority all on things theological, because he never lies to me, unlike mere man. Only Jesus can be my Good Shepherd, for human beings fail miserably at this; especially from the ones who desire a power structure/hierarchal type of Christianity.

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  15. You apologized because you were “rushed,” and in that same comment, you did the same thing – left off punctuation. In other words, that was a non-apology.

    At the moment, I have no desire to respond to the content of your comment. Perhaps there are others who might be willing to address it. (And it’s time for me to get the kids rolling for school.)

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  16. Ted, yes a great parody, indeed. N48 gave me a great and much needed belly laugh this morning, and because of his nonsense posted here, will joyfully be getting much work done here, chuckling along the way. I escaped the captivity of N48’s blasphemy years ago, and the salt and light/freedom in Christ Jesus has been a wonderful blessing.

    Giving Jesus all of the Praise today.

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  17. Ted, I wish you were right. I know people who believe at least major pieces of what he is saying from my former tradition, and perhaps those people if left to ruminate on it would come to the same conclusions he has. But… every point he makes, I’ve heard from men in my former church. Not with the rabid tongue so much, but we weren’t exactly in “enemy territory”.

    One statistic I’ve found interesting is that married men live longer than single men, and that single women live longer than married women. So, I wonder, if our patriarchal culture is so God glorifying, why does it seem that men are stealing life from their wives to make theirs longer?

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  18. I just read Necron48’s post of 4:12 am. Pretty sure now that he’s parody, and pretty good parody at that.

    Ted, there are so many dudes on the internet that talk that way, unfortunately. I would love to believe they are all parodies, but they are the same kind of men who shoot up yoga studies and run into people with a van because of deep misogyny like this. So, I’m not willing to let it pass with a chuckle. Some of them truly believe it and you see it in their actions.

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  19. Wow, Necron48, I really don’t know what to say to you.

    All I can say is that your words really aren’t surprising. Those who are aligned with DG, TGC, CBMW, et al seem to want to die on their hill of complementarianism. Under the disguise of “God’s design,” they seem to be mostly concerned about men losing control of authority of the home and church. Now the “concern” is pushed out into society in general.

    When I go on a call with our police department, I don’t care what the gender of the officer is on scene. I know that officer is there to ensure my protection while I talk to a victim. I can count on him or her for that. The same goes for any military person. People don’t enter the military or police academy without knowledge of what they are being trained to do.

    The other night I was at the police department and a female officer was training a group of reserves. All but one of the reserves were men. Should she be in that position of training? Even if comps think not, there is no denying that she was placed in that position by a higher authority who thinks she is the best person for the job. The same goes with those who serve in the military.

    I’m off to work for the day. I’m happy to work for a company where one of their slogans is, “The Force is Female.” Yes, I have given up my “godly ordained” role to stay home and take care of the house 24/7 to earn an income that helps my family. Be nice to each other today.

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  20. Yeah, unfortunately I went over to Necron48’s blog and read some of his posts, and I’m afraid he’s the real thing. It would have been rude of him to make parody that convincing without a smiley face at the end.

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  21. @Mark

    You couldn’t be more wrong! If you read the passage clearly, it never says that Eve was created in the image of God, though she was a helpmeet for 2 reasons:
    1: She was deceived and fell into transgression, her punishment was giving birth would be greatly increased in pain for her, and 2: she would desire her man, but he shall rule over her.
    Also look at these verses: 1Co 11:3  But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the MAN.
    1Co 11:7  For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: BUT THE WOMAN IS THE GLORY OF THE MAN”.
    1Co 11:9  Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 

    There is NO getting around those verses, women were created for MEN, not the other way around, women are our helpmeets, they are NOT equal to us….women are supposed to integrate into OUR lives, we don’t integrate into a woman’s life, women are to serve us, and by doing so it shows obedience to Christ.

    “You’re just following your father Satan who wants more”

    What a truly dumb thing to say, when I’m quoting from the word of God

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  22. @Ted

    _”When my wife gets home I’ll ask her if she’s my property or not. Really should get that straightened out”

    There’s your sin right there…why would you ask advice from your wife on this matter?, you are the head over her, not the other way around….since women are prone to deception it is foolish to heed the words of your wife, as she operates by “feelings” and not by facts and the authoritative word of God.
    The truth of the matter is, if you are married to your wife, she belongs to you as your property, whether you see that or not is irrelevant…..Property rights are enforced right throughout the entire bible, this is why adultery is so evil, it is because you are STEALING another man’s property….don’t like that misogynistic view?, then take it up with God, your argument is with him not me.
    Women feel more secure knowing they belong to a superior authority, unfortunately I cannot see your wife being made to feel secure, if you have to ask her what her opinion is on this matter…..you’re the man, YOU decide what is what in your home, and she is supposed to be obedient and respectful to YOU. For far too long now, men have abrogated their leadership rules as head over the women and attempted to be equal with them, which has led to nothing but disaster, broken homes, out of control rebellious women following the wicked spirit of Jezebel, the destruction of society, and unjust laws that strip away a man’s rights and power in the home.

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  23. women are supposed to integrate into OUR lives, we don’t integrate into a woman’s life

    The bible says a MAN will leave his family and cling to his wife so….No. Not even by your dumb interpretations.

    I could pull apart the rest of it and I’m sure somebody else will, but you’re so deep into your hatred of women that it’s clear you wouldn’t listen to me anyways. Maybe take a step back from your (seemingly inept) power tripping over women and read up on loving your neighbor for a while.

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  24. @Ted

    Nope, not parody at all…..your mind just cannot accept the bible when it differs from your preconceived notions.
    This shows your rebellion towards God and your disobedience towards Christ.

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  25. Why does your argument from silence trump mine? 1 Cor 11:7 does NOT say that woman was NOT created in the image of God. Also, some Bible commentators believe that Paul is not making that statement, but is, instead quoting Jews from the Talmudic (misogynistic) tradition, and then commenting on it in vs. 11 and 12: “However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God.” Paul seems to be rejecting the male birthright and is instead claiming equality.

    “What a truly dumb thing to say, when I’m quoting from the word of God”

    “Then the devil *took Him into the holy city and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple, and *said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will command His angels concerning You’; and ‘On their hands they will bear You up, So that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’” (Matt 4:5-6)

    1) As I said, you don’t understand the scriptures
    2) You’re following the example of your father Satan in quoting scripture to deceive

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  26. @Katy

    -“and the salt and light/freedom in Christ Jesus has been a wonderful blessing”_

    It’s not freedom you’re espousing, it is direct rebellion against male authority. You are following the Spirit of Jezebel, and you resent all forms of male power and authority. God help the poor man who would be foolish enough to marry you.

    When you reject my N48 “blasphemy” (your words), you are rejecting Jesus Christ who has appointed the biblical order for the genders. Don’t like it?, then you’re in rebellion towards Christ. Women are meant to be submissive, to defer to their husbands, they are to stay at home and be a good wife and mother to her children, being obedient toward her husband and to obey him in all things. If you reject that, which I am sure you do, do not claim to be a Christian, having freedom….what you are is a disobedient rebel, making excuses for your sin.

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  27. God help the poor man who would be foolish enough to marry you.

    Katy, I love you and I hope you know better than to listen to this mans assessment, which is wholeheartedly wrong and evil in every way. hugs I would use stronger language but I don’t want to offend Julie Anne.

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  28. I wrote a rebuttal of Morse’s essay here a day or two ago, on my Daisy blog:
    _ Complementarians Threatened by Movies Featuring Strong or Independent Women Characters – A Response to the Editorial by Greg Morse (Re: Captain Marvel Movie)_

    And don’t forget, Morse if the same guy who wrote a post over a year ago where he erroneously claimed that being Introverted is a sin. I did a blog post about that here:
    _Greg Morse Writes that Being Introverted Is A Sin_

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  29. Here are some more arguments:

    God created Eve to be a helper BEFORE the fall. You are saying that her being a helpmeet is part of her curse for the fall, but that is incorrect, and a Satanic distortion. Also, the word for helper is the word Ezer, and that word is used to describe God being our helper, so it does not carry the connotation of subordination or property.

    God did not treat Eve like Adam’s property. When confronting Adam and Eve after eating the fruit, God first asks Adam, but then GOD TALKED WITH EVE. If Eve were Adam’s property, as you claim, then why would God have interacted directly with her? Just as you said to Ted, “There’s your sin right there…why would you ask advice from your wife on this matter?” So the fact that God ASKED EVE demonstrates positively that God did not consider Eve to be subordinate. The patriarchal types I know do not let other men or other women “confront” their wives – they insist that the Biblical order is that wife A talks to her husband A, who talks to husband B who talks to wife B. If wife A or husband A talks with wife B, they are rejecting husband B’s authority. So, the fact that GOD TALKED TO EVE rejects your women-as-property theory. God himself rejected any property claim Adam might have had over Eve.

    The “women as property” patriarchy is part of the curse, as you have so elegantly shown, along with death and toilsome work. Jesus came to reverse that curse and to restore the proper order.

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  30. @Lea

    It doesn’t say that at all! The Bible never, ever says “cling” to your wife, the word is CLEAVE which is what happens during sexual Intercourse, they become 1 flesh….but nowhere does the Bible say this joining of flesh makes him supposedly equal to his wife, or absolves her of her duties and responsibilities towards her husband

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  31. By K. Bishop:
    _Captain Marvel and the Rise of Women Warriors: A Response to Desiring God_

    Some guy, who I think is a soft complementarian, was squicked out by Morse’s moronic anti-Captain Marvel (yet pro Disney Princess) essay, and he wrote a page called something like,
    “The Carol Danvers Statement of the Marvel of Womanhood”

    I didn’t agree with 100% of his paper, but, I give him props for the amusing, spot on headline of his post alone, LOL!

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  32. @Mark

    Dead wrong! 1st corinthians states categorically that as man is made in the image of God, women are created in the image of MAN

    I won’t even bother to refute your nonsense that Paul is quoting from the Talmud, when God himself declares that the words of the apostle Paul are the words of Christ himself and can be trusted as scripture. See 1st Corinthians 14:37

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  33. @Necron48

    You don’t bother to refute anything, because you can’t. So go take your Satanic nonsense elsewhere. As Jesus said,

    “And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
    ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me.
    ‘But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
    Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.””

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  34. Were you in a rush with your last comment? Most of your sentences don’t have periods. I’m going to bed now. If I see more comments without periods, you will go to the dog house. Please use common courtesy.

    I think you mean comma courtesy PERIOD.

    Not to discriminate against parentheses, apostrophe, ellipsis, hyphen, dash, colon, semicolon, exclamation point, and quotation point. Any minute Daisy will pop by and point out a few I failed to mention like, question mark. That’s not a good one to miss either because you need it when ” tough guys ” come through (you know the OLD SPICE BOYS FROM the contest ) claiming stupid things like ” women are men’s property, it’s God’s decreed order “.

    Notice how they never have any scripture to back up their stupidity. Hard to make up scripture to cover for small penis or short man syndrome. Even worse when they can’t come up with the $500 to travel to the Southern Baptist Convention for their attempted basement coup d’ ‘etat. That’s too much punctation in one term for them anyway.

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  35. @Kathi

    I would be the last person to doubt whether women are capable or not. In fact I would say in a lot of instances some women make BETTER police officers than men in the same role, and I would also extend that to other fields of employment as well. Women make better nurses than men as a general rule because of their ability to empathize.
    But we’re asking the wrong questions here, we were so busy at trying to make women equal with men, we never stopped to ask, not whether women COULD do something, but whether or not they SHOULD

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  36. (part 1)
    Picking apart, complaining about, or lamenting about women being shown as being independent in movies has become common even among Complementarians.

    We had some strong women characters in years past.

    Does anyone here recall seeing scathing editorials by Complementarians complaining about Ripley, the woman astronaut who fought and killed Aliens in the Sci-Fi franchise Alien and Aliens of the 1970s and 1980s?

    Me neither.

    And Ripley did what a squad of male (and one or two females with them) Space Marines could not do: kill the aliens.
    Remember that sequel, when a bunch of Marines ran around trying to kill the alien? They all got picked off, except for Ripley.

    How about the tough, no-nonsense Princess Leia (later to become GENERAL Leia)? She wasn’t a wilting little flower, either.
    She actually helped Luke and Han escape the stormtroopers in that one scene, when they were all backed into a corridor in the jail area. She later, in RoJ, rescued Han from Jabba (of course both had to be rescued by Lando with Luke’s help).

    But I don’t recall Comps or Fan Boys of yesteryear getting their boxer shorts over THOSE movie lady characters, no. It’s only been an uproar in the last five or so years over Ghostbusters (2016), Captain Marvel, the Last Jedi, etc.

    Those same knuckle-draggers were also angry over black people getting their own super hero movie (“Black Panther”) and tried to drag it down pre-release by giving it fake, negative reviews on Rotten Tomaotes, etc.

    (continued in part 2)

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  37. (part 2)

    Correction where I said,
    “But I don’t recall Comps or Fan Boys of yesteryear getting their boxer shorts over THOSE movie lady characters, no.”

    Should read,
    “But I don’t recall Comps or Fan Boys of yesteryear getting their boxer shorts in a twist over THOSE movie lady characters, no.”

    Continuing…

    Around 2016, when the new Star Wars movie “Force Awakens” was released, a few complementarians wrote about that, too. They were really upset that the new focal point of the Star Wars trilogy was a woman (Rey).

    One piece comps wrote at that time was called “An Open Letter To Rey from Star Wars,” (if you Google the title, you can find that one) where the complementarian man who wrote it was crying tears of inssecurity because he confessed he needs women to be weak so he can feel manly and feel needed.

    What a man-baby. Wah wah, it hurts me to see women in movies who don’t NEED a man, or who aren’t shown relying on a man, or who aren’t DATING a man.

    Oh. I just saw a horrible review by a conservative man a few days ago who complained that Captain Marvel was not “real enough” because she is single in the movie. She is “supposed to” have a husband or boyfriend to be realistic and relatable. (I could go on and on about that but won’t.)

    Anyway, the tool who wrote the “An Open Letter to Rey,” said he found Rey very intimidating, and that movie or character made him feel as though he is not needed because – Rey can use the force and fly the Falcon. She doesn’t need a man to come to her rescue and slay dragons for her.

    These men are so weak and cowardly in the face of women who don’t cower before them, how is it they think they should be in leadership roles, or leading women?

    These secular men and these complementarian men don’t have the qualifications or competence to lead themselves, let alone women.

    If you faint or cry at the representation of a woman in a Sci-Fi or super hero movie flying or using light sabers, you have bigger problems than gender role obsession. You might want to get some therapy and figure out what your issues are and get them solved.

    This complementarian and secular sexist pearl clutching by men also went on a bit during the Wonder Woman roll-out, though not as severe.

    When the new Wonder Woman came out (also around 2016), I recall seeing a complementarian essay or two where they weren’t quite as condemning of that movie for some reason, but they wrote some patronizing crud about how comp men need to remember to pat women on the head once in awhile to make them feel valued, so men should sort of support women enjoying Wonder Women.

    I think Russell Moore was one of the guys who wrote on that, as did one or two other comp men.

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  38. @Necron48, “1st corinthians states categorically that as man is made in the image of God, women are created in the image of MAN”

    IT DOES NOT. Try reading it again.

    “I won’t even bother to refute…”

    NOT SURPRISED. You don’t want to refute, just state categorically.

    Quoting Jesus:
    And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
    ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. ‘But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’ Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”

    and

    “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.”

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  39. God help the poor man who would be foolish enough to marry you.
    Katy, I love you and I hope you know better than to listen to this mans assessment, which is wholeheartedly wrong and evil in every way. hugs I would use stronger language but I don’t want to offend Julie Anne.

    I don’t think pointing out that this “manly Man” is an ignorant little boy will offend her. Funny how these idiots think nothing of saying this stuff to another man’s “property”.

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  40. Is NECRON48 a POE, seriously sexist and angry with women and angry with fictional women characters in movies, or, is he just the less genteel version of KAS?

    Does NECRON48 take his Batman and Superman movies as seriously?

    How come men never talk about how unrealistic it is to show a man flying, a man being hero all the time, and rescuing cats from trees? How realistic is it for a man to shape shift objects or create them, a la Green Lantern?

    How about Thor? The Hulk? Iron Man?

    How many men do any of you know in real life who fly around in a metal suit that has blasters in its hands?

    And my lord in heaven above, I don’t need or want to see KAS on this thread, nor do I need to see any more sexist ramblings by NECRON48, either.

    You can expect a lot of genteel “well, this Morse chap actually has a point or two, I do say” from KAS,

    Also expect to see from KAS, should he unfortunately start to post to this thread:
    Along with goal post moving from KAS, you will find Tone Policing from KAS, and straw men arguments against women who don’t line up with his 1950s fantasy of how he thinks women should be.

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  41. To deny that women are made in the image of God is to blaspheme against the Lord Jesus Christ by denying that Jesus was fully human. Jesus Christ called himself the Son of Man (Matthew 11:19) and is the image of God (Colossians 1:15), yet He was only born of a woman (Galatians 4:4, Genesis 3:15), having no human father (Hebrews 7:3). To say that women are not made in the image of God is to say that Jesus Christ was not truly human. Those who say that Jesus Christ did not become fully human are anti-Christ (I John 4:3).

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  42. I’ve never married, NECRON48, and I’m over 45 years of age.

    I’ve gotten by thus far in life with no need or use for a “male head” or “male leadership,” and I’m doing just fine.

    Also, women are not “more empathetic” than men as you were saying in a post above.

    Women have been socialized to act like we really really, super duper, totally give a f-ck about people’s feelings, where as men have not been socialized thusly.

    I’ve had to sit and nod my head in sympathy with Emotionally Vampiric male AND female friends over the years, and it’s very tiresome.

    At times, with super emotional needy friends, or with chronic complainers (like my Dad and my sister and a few online friends I’ve had),
    i had to fake and feign empathy.

    When in reality, I did not care about the life problems they were complaining endlessly on about, or I first cared, but got TIRED of listening to them gripe for ten hours in a row about it, every time they called me, ten times a week about it.

    But I was socially conditioned by secular culture and by complementarian teachings I was indoctrinated with as I was growing up to think it would appear cruel for me, a woman, to tell them I didn’t want to listen to them complain anymore, so I would sit there and just listen in silence.

    These days, I speak up and tell the Neurotics, Chronic Complainers, or Emotional Vampires, that there is a limit to how much of my time and energy I will give them to listen to their life problems when they want to rant and rant or cry and cry about their problems.

    I only make exceptions for that now in severe cases, like if someone has just lost a loved one to death, and they need for me to listen to them sob for an hour, fine, I will be there for them then.

    But no more taking three hour phone calls from a sister or friend who just wants to gripe and moan about how their job is boring or their husband is an idiot.

    Do a google search for the term “Emotional Labor” to see what I mean about women being expected by our culture to be “more empathetic” than men.

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  43. The Bible never, ever says “cling” to your wife, the word is CLEAVE

    There are translations that say both, and others that say unite. It doesn’t matter because you ignored the part I was talking about which is asking the husband to leave his family and be united, not the wife.

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  44. I don’t think pointing out that this “manly Man” is an ignorant little boy will offend her.

    Honestly, Scott, this is an insult to little boys, many of whom are quite sweet and would never say such a thing. May their tribe (the sweet ones, men and boys) increase!

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  45. @scott1253

    How about addressing me in person, instead of hiding behind the women’s skirts in here, like the mangina you are using veiled aggression and contextual reasoning.
    At least most of the women in here have more balls than you, because they talk to me when addressing my comments, unlike you.

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  46. Is “Necron48” from the same production batch as “Necron 99”, the robot assassin from Ralph Bakshi’s Wizards?

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  47. @Daisy

    I appreciate your comment Daisy and I acknowledge that you’re quite correct…. Sometimes it’s an unhelpful generalization that women are more empathetic than men. So I shouldn’t have used that as an e.g.

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  48. Lea said to the Complementarian Crank (who I hope is not later joined by KAS):

    — start quote —
    “to your wife, the word is CLEAVE…”

    There are translations that say both, and others that say unite. It doesn’t matter because you ignored the part I was talking about which is asking the husband to leave his family and be united, not the wife.”
    — end Lea quote —

    Slightly off topic-ish, but still sorta related.

    I did a blog post discussing how _Complementarianism cannot and does not adequately address men who do not and who CANNOT make the complementarian ideal_ of primary breadwinner, strong, heroic dude who knows Karate, etc, type of guy.

    My ex was too selfish, dumb (seriously, he could barely read), and irresponsible to be the Tough Guy – Protector – Leader – Breadwinner guy in a relationship that Comps say he “should” be.

    As to your point about men leaving and joining their wife.
    My ex fiance’ was a Mama’s Boy.

    I don’t care for that term because it suggests a nerdy, wimpy type of dude. My ex was not wimpy or nerdy, but he acted as though his mother was his wife.

    My ex acted as though he was married to his mother.

    Note, I do not mean to imply or suggest anything sexual, that is NOT to what I am referring.
    Take a normal, typical marriage between most men and women, and minus the sex/ romance part, and that is what my ex fiance, “Fred” (not his real name), had with his mother. It’s like he and his mother had everything but the romance / sex going on of a typical marriage.

    During the years we were engaged, all my ex’s loyalty, affection, efforts, and energy went to his mother.

    Fred would drop everything, even quit jobs he needed, to run and care for her if she got injured (even though she had a husband, Fred’s step father, another grown son she could call and two brothers and neighbors).

    Fred never showed me any where near that amount of consideration. He was self-absorbed, expected me to listen to him talk for hours (about himself or his job, or his family). He never asked me about me.

    He financially exploited me, to the tune of thousands of dollars, over a period of years, and he never repaid me what he owed me.

    But he’d sometimes send his mother a few hundred here or there, if her furnace broke down or she just off handedly mentioned she saw a new Gizmo on sale at the big box store and she would sigh how she really wish she could own one, but she didn’t have the funds.

    My ex would be like, “oh really,” and send her the money so she could buy the Gizmo. Yes, this was even tho he owed me mucho dinero.

    The ex would do cartwheels and loopity loops to meet the needs of his mother whenever and however, but never cared to meet mine. He used me for his own purposes.

    Complementarianism just does not work for most people.
    It can only work under a very narrow set of parameters, like the man in question has to put his fiance (or wife) first, he has to be literate, have a job that pays enough to support two adults, etc.

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  49. From The Chaser:
    _“Female superhero unrealistic” says man who had no problem with crime fighting turtles_

    “COWABUNGA, DUDES!”

    (Considering the first comment officially turned this thread into a cartoon, I’m getting lotsa straight lines.)

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  50. @Lea

    I do apologize for not addressing the last part of your quote. I just don’t see how it proves your point though?
    When a man leaves his family, the general rule is, he was to leave his home, make his own tent/home and the wife was to come into HIS home. A single unattached female could not do this as she lived under her father’s rule until her father deemed her ready enough for marriage, and then the father gives permission for the man to take his daughter from him and both start a new life together.

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  51. My ex was too selfish, dumb (seriously, he could barely read),

    Honestly Daisy, the way you talk about your ex…lol. We all have some ex’s we regret, but I seriously wonder why you were with that guy. Goodness!

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  52. @Lea

    When the arguments cannot be won, that’s when the ad hominem attacks start. I’ve been accused of following Satan, derogatory referred to as a little boy etc.

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  53. I’ve been accused of following Satan, derogatory referred to as a little boy etc.

    I don’t think you’re either, necron, but I think you are seriously misguided and wrong on this topic. I think you need to get your heart right. Women are not slaves and they are not the enemy. Men are not in charge by default. We are all of us just people.

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  54. Morse’s protestation that it is unnatural for women to be put in a place of danger and that men should not permit ‘their’ women to do so is not only silly, but something he does not even believe himself, since he clearly thinks women should hold a traditional role. From Eve onward, women have traditionally/naturally risked their lives to ensure the continued existence of humanity and many have died so doing. Furthermore, in every patriarchal cultures, men consider it the woman’s duty to do risk herself in that way. Childbirth is vital to ensure the survival of humanity and is not only extremely difficult but also very dangerous. Not even modern medicine can entirely eliminate either the pain and suffering or the risk of death from childbirth. Furthermore, childbirth was vital for our Saviour to enter the world. To act as if women are never put at risk in some kind of ideal patriarchal culture is to carelessly diminish the fact that any culture depends on women being at risk for continued existence. As Paul said in I Corinthians 11:12, “For as the woman is of the man [referring to the story of Adam and Eve], even so is the man also by the woman [referring to the fact that every man since Adam, including Jesus, has been born to a woman].”

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  55. “How about addressing me in person, instead of hiding behind the women’s skirts in here, like the mangina you are using veiled aggression and contextual reasoning.”

    This is your official warning. Any more comments like this, and you will be in the moderation dog house. (In addition to comments without elementary-level punctuation.)

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  56. To act as if women are never put at risk in some kind of ideal patriarchal culture is to carelessly diminish the fact that any culture depends on women being at risk for continued existence. As Paul said in I Corinthians 11:12, “For as the woman is of the man [referring to the story of Adam and Eve], even so is the man also by the woman [referring to the fact that every man since Adam, including Jesus, has been born to a woman].”

    This is such a great comment!

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  57. When the arguments cannot be won, that’s when the ad hominem attacks start. I’ve been accused of following Satan, derogatory referred to as a little boy etc.

    This is true. Let’s stop the personal attacks going both directions. We can have great conversation without resorting to that level. Thanks.

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  58. Necron48, “When the arguments cannot be won, that’s when the ad hominem attacks start.”

    I think if you seriously tried to engage in debate, you’d get a warmer reception, but this is what you are saying:

    “You couldn’t be more wrong! If you read the passage [Gen 1] clearly, it never says that Eve was created in the image of God” (of course, no explanation – just assertion)

    “There is NO getting around those verses, women were created for MEN, not the other way around, women are our helpmeets, they are NOT equal to us….women are supposed to integrate into OUR lives, we don’t integrate into a woman’s life, women are to serve us, and by doing so it shows obedience to Christ.” (no scripture quoted – just assertion)

    “Dead wrong! 1st corinthians states categorically that as man is made in the image of God, women are created in the image of MAN” (no scripture quoted – again assertion)

    If you’re going to convince me that Scripture says what you think it says, then you should be pointing me TO SCRIPTURE, not to your interpretation of scripture. That is what I’ve done. I showed you that Genesis 1 says God created THEM in his image. You can look up the Hebrew in the Interlinear and see that it is plural. I’m not going to ignore what SCRIPTURE SAYS simply because you say it doesn’t say what it says.

    If you’re not going to dig into scripture, then it will be impossible to convince you what scripture says. Your “fruit” of putting words in God’s mouth (e.g. women are made in the image of man) shows that you are not concerned about what scripture says if it disagrees with your presupposition that God made women subhuman slaves of men. Jesus says that we will know fellow Christians by their fruits. What fruit is it to put yourself above what scripture says?

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  59. @Julie Anne

    You are correct and I do apologize, there will be no more personal attacks.
    I seem to have missed you pointing this out to Scott as well? I could be wrong though.

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  60. I was going to do a few more posts, but I lost my internet connection for awhile. 😦
    Okay.
    Lea said,
    “Honestly Daisy, the way you talk about your ex…lol. We all have some ex’s we regret, but I seriously wonder why you were with that guy. Goodness!”
    — end Lea quote —

    I was naive, inexperienced, too trusting, didn’t know what I was doing, all that, plus coupled with years of brainwashing by the complementarian Southern Baptist Churches I was raised in as well as a Christian, codependent mother who associated being a total doormat and lacking boundaries with being godly, biblical, loving, Christian, and feminine.

    Complementarianism really does not encourage women out of that sort of thinking and behaving, but encourages them to really lean into it even more, and it sets up women to be complicit in their own abuse. It’s reprehensible.

    And complementarians have the nerve to claim they protect and respect women, what a load! Their teaching actually sets women up to being used and abused.

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  61. This also tends to show how Reformed fundamentalists violate their own hermeneutical principles to validate their presuppositions. So, Necron48 takes the hermeneutical approach that women were NOT created in the image of God. What if we look at the implications in other passages of scripture:

    Rom 8:28-29 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;

    Can women even be saved?

    1 Cor 15:

    Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?(12)

    So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a perishable body, it is raised an imperishable body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly. (42-49)

    If women are not image-bearers of God, they cannot be resurrected.

    2 Cor 3:18: “But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.”

    What does that even mean if women don’t bear the same image as men? How can both women and men be transformed into the same image if they are not already in the same image?

    Col 3:9-11: “Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices, and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him— a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.”

    And, if Paul is not talking to all (men and women), why does he then address wives specifically in vs. 18?

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  62. @Daisy

    You just described my ex to a tee. In fact the resemblance is uncanny, so you have my utmost sympathy to what happened in your marriage.

    The one difference being, the exact same misplaced devotion to his mother, my ex did to her kids who lived at home with her. (For clarification they were both over 24 years of age, and the daughter had a live in bf)
    I had to end the relationship because it always revolved around her kids, and I was seen as more as a guest, I was definitely not first in her life. I won’t put up with that from a relationship so I had to walk away, most painful thing I’ve ever had to do.

    Thank you for sharing such personal stuff with me on the webs Daisy, I understand where you’re coming from a lot better now.

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  63. @Daisy
    I was married to “Fred” over 25 years! I hear you about the Mommy-love and financial abuse. Past it now and doing just fine, thankfully.

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  64. I seem to have missed you pointing this out to Scott as well? I could be wrong though.

    I may not have pointed out Scott’s specifically, but as I tell my kids, you take care of your own business and let me take care of my business.

    FTR, special attention was drawn to you because you’ve been pushing it since the very first comment here. I do not like it when I see men refer to women as property. That disgusts me. I believe it also lays the groundwork for abuse.

    Someone reminded me on Twitter that 1 Cor. 7 says that husbands belong to wives, too! So, it goes both ways.

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  65. NECRON48 said,
    ” so you have my utmost sympathy to what happened in your marriage.”
    — end quote —

    “Fred” was my ex fiance, we were not married. We were engaged, not married.

    I said in a post to you upstream that I’m over 45 years of age and have never been married.

    If never-married ladies don’t need male headship (and we do not), it makes no sense to teach, as complementarians do, that married women need male headship or male leadership.

    NECRON48 said,
    ” I understand where you’re coming from a lot better now.”
    — end quote —

    I was sharing that with Lea but aware that it’s public so that others may read it, but I’m not sure what you mean by that part of your comment.

    I have many reasons why I rejected complementarianism, my experiences with “Fred” is just one of several reasons.

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  66. (part 1)
    To all:
    I did a Google on necron48’s screen name. You all should do one too.

    Is this is the same necron48, here is a link to his blog on Word Press:

    _Necron48’s Blog on WordPress_

    He mentions a guy named “Dalrock” in one of his blog post headings. That screen name looks very familiar – I think he’s one of those Christianized Red Pill / Men’s Rights Activists types (all very misogynist, but they think their brand of misogyny is Biblical, so that makes it oakey-doakey).

    Necron is pushing a sexist view on Julie Anne’s blog, and yet he wrote this on his blog:
    _Dalrocks’ Blunder_

    If I understand Necron’s posts on his own blog correctly, he’s not so much upset that sexist dudes like Dalrock promote sexism, he just thinks they get some details about how to be sexist wrong (such as Doug Wilson and Federal Headship discussion), and he’s angry that they block him from their blogs or censor his posts.

    I would hope this guy would be upset by so much blatant sexism rather than by being blocked by a sexist blogger, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

    (continued in part 2)

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  67. (part 2)
    I don’t know if this is the same necron48 or not, but he actually posted to what appears to be some kind of kinky, weird, Christainized(?) version of an Incel / MRA type forum
    (MRAs/ Incels are highly misogynist, where they even “slut shame” Christian women and talk about women as though they are meat):

    _Why do Christian women have the reputation of being whores?_ – Sigma Frame Blog

    From that page:

    — start quote from that page —
    Readership: Red Pilled Christian Men
    Warning: Contains descriptions of sexual encounters; profane language;
    — end quotes from that page —

    Necron49 had a melt-down in the comment box on that thread because he assumed that the moderator guy there blocked him or deleted his posts or whatever.

    -Anyway, regarding that post I linked to and the comments posters left below it:
    Those are the types of rambling, odd ball essays written by people who clearly do not understand women, not normal women.

    “Red Pill” is a term used by sexist dudes, usually the ones who post to Incel Reddits. Toxic stuff, toxic people.

    They do not view women as human beings, and not human beings with rights or agency.

    Ewww, yucky, another clue those are misogynists there at the Sigma Frame site, is that in the “Pingback” section of that blog post, in the comments section, another blogger linked to it from this page at whatever his blog is:

    “Pingback: Things I Want My Daughter to Know: Dress Like This – And You’ll Scare the Good Men Away!!! | All Things Bright and Beautiful”

    -I have not read it but can only guess it’s a pro-Modesty Culture rant, where the presumably male (unless it’s a Lori Alexander clone) blames women for men’s sexual sins, all because they may wear a mini-skirt out in public.

    Can I just say, as a woman who was saving herself sexually for marriage (I’ve never had sex), I’m the very sort of “good girl” these Christianized Sexist Red Pill Incel guys claim they’d like to marry in their posts and comments on their Christian MRA sites, but I wouldn’t marry any of them, due to their sexist views, let alone date any of them.

    I’d rather stay single in perpetuity.

    “Red Pilled Christian Men” is an oxymoron.
    You cannot or should not be both a self professing Christian AND someone who buys into the sexist drivel of MRA – Incel – MGTOW Red Pill garbage.

    That’s like saying you’re a, I dunno, “Baby Murdering Christian”, where you run about saying you are a believer in Jesus, but just for giggles, you also go around on weekends stabbing random infants to death in public because you find it fun.
    The two do not go together.

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  68. N48,
    I have experienced many forms of abuse in my lifetime, including spiritual abuse. One of the last times I heard the “jezebel spirit” phrase, was during a sermon from an assembly of god p’astor man during his second to the last sermon speech he gave at the local institutional c’hurch. That spiritual phrase was meant for those of us who dared to not worship him, who dared to not abide by his teachings down to his letter, and who dared to follow Jesus, instead of him and his l’eadership team. The jezebel spirit refers to sexual sin in our Bibles, not the “sin” of disobeying male authority, N48.

    This aog p’astor man was released from his position when he was finally caught pursuing a married woman with whom he was “counseling.” So when he gave his “jezebel sermon on the pulpit mount,” he was in essence, spewing out his own self fulfilled prophecy of acting out immorally in destroying the marriage of another couple.

    So please do not espouse to those of us who are not “imbibed” with the jezebel spirit poison, for those of us who abide in Christ Jesus, with the Holy Spirit living inside of us, are not affected by your insults.

    And ironically, I have told two c’hurch men within a week time period that “I am not your property to order around,” so this comment thread is very timely.

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  69. I have a question for Necron.

    What is your top three favorite Christian authors/speakers/pastors that you listen to very frequently?

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  70. Elizabeth D said,
    “@Daisy
    I was married to “Fred” over 25 years! I hear you about the Mommy-love and financial abuse. Past it now and doing just fine, thankfully.
    — end quote —

    Glad to hear you’re doing better!

    I got out of that engagement with that guy (“Fred”), it was a long engagement.
    It was like he was already married to his mother, and he liked to talk about himself all the time when we were alone (he never inquired about me), so other than my Visa card and bank account, I don’t know what he saw in me, why he was bothering to be in a relationship with a woman NOT his mother. 🙂

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  71. @Scott 1253,

    Appreciate your comment thread and defending my honor; emotions seem to be heightened by the fact that both men and women can lead well adjusted lives apart from the “authoritarian” systems within religions, still be quite successful in our capitalistic economy, and even more importantly, joyous in knowing our Savior.

    Your comment made my whole day, Scott. Many blessings back to you, sir.

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  72. but I wouldn’t marry any of them, due to their sexist views, let alone date any of them.

    I know you’ll be devastated, Daisy, but most of those guys would say you’re past the ‘wall’.

    What is your top three favorite Christian authors/speakers/pastors that you listen to very frequently?

    Pretty sure the answer is ‘reddit’ 😉

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  73. @Katy

    Interests note how you told 2 churchian men you ate not their property and they can’t boss you around.
    I’m wondering does it work both ways? For e.g do you order men around, or expect men to defer to.your wishes and commands? It’s a genuine question.

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  74. _‘Triple Frontier’ Has the Male Protagonists the Captain Marvel-Hating Bros Want …and They’re a Joke_ by Tyler Daswick

    A snippet or two from that movie review:

    — star quotes —
    Triple Frontier offers the male heroes Desiring God seems to prefer, but these Ken dolls aren’t the white-horse riders that John Piper’s corner of the internet is waiting for. These guys brood and sulk and cross their arms and sweat through their shirts, but they also engage in heroism without any semblance of joy or honor or valor. They don’t inspire you or thrill you or make you think in any way idealistically. They’re paper dolls who scream at each other. How pathetic that their most human-seeming, endearing moment comes when they’re butt-slapping each other as they shove blood money into duffel bags. Behold Your Kings.

    Gender or sex doesn’t qualify a hero. Captain Marvel’s greatest asset is its lead character’s symbology, and Triple Frontier’s worst asset is how much it paints its heroism with solemnity, vengeance and greed.
    — end quotes —

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  75. Lea said,
    I know you’ll be devastated, Daisy, but most of those guys would say you’re past the ‘wall’.
    — end quotes —

    I assume that is some kind of age-related thing?

    Good luck to them in finding their mythical dream match who will marry them – the perpetual 21 year old virginal Venus with Double-D breasts who has no ambition of her own and lives only to feed, cook, and clean for them and service them like a hooker.

    But if you or anyone else in this thread was wondering Wassup with that Necon guy, you see the sorts of places he enjoys visiting online, which may clue you in to his views about women (as if we couldn’t tell from the very first post, but it sheds more lights on things, IMO).

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  76. I took a more lighthearted approach to Greg’s piece: sdrp.me/2019/03/11/captain-marvel

    I don’t normally response to such trash. I saw his other piece about effeminate men and let that one slide with just a comment or two to a friend, but he does it again with the Captain Marvel “review”, and I can’t let it go lol. The misogyny is so blatant. I guess maybe he’s doing DG a favor by exemplifying their theology in such a bold manner.

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  77. To Daisy, Julie Anne and all the wicked women infected with the spirit of Jezebel I am now blocked because I proved that Daisy is a filthy liar
    If that is how you run your blog, I want no.part of it. I really pray to the Lord to open up your eyes that your rebellion against male authority upsets him

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  78. @Daisy,

    I totally get you about the Force Awakens. When reviews for the movie were first piling in, so many men were freaking out about how “feminist” it was, like Rey was some sort of man-hater. When I finally got around to seeing it, I really didn’t understand what they were freaking out about. I think one scene they were upset about was where Rey was on the Falcon and kept pointing to some object or other, and Finn couldn’t see what she was pointing at, over and over. I guess they felt Rey was humiliating Finn somehow and making men look stupid? My mom and I were laughing our guts out at this, because I was just like Finn as a kid and well into my teens. My mom would repeatedly point to something, and I’d look in a totally different direction and say, “What thing-a-majig? Where?” Yes, doing that is a real thing. These men complaining about this are looking for offense.

    The only thing that’s bothered me about the Star Wars reboot is the bad story telling. It felt like JJ Abrams decided to remake Lost (in space, har har). It’s already meandering. Snopes or whatever his name is is already dead before you even found out how he got into power, so by the time we find out what happened before the first movie started, we already don’t care anymore, and so forth.

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  79. I wonder how N48 thinks women in Islamic countries are supposed to be reached with the Gospel? They, too, believe that women need men’s authority and should rely on men for religious interpretation of their holy text. They likewise believe that women are easily deceived. So unless their husbands want to convert, a pious Islamic woman who has been brainwashed from birth to think she is easily deceived and needs to follow her husband’s authority to the T, including in spiritual matters, has no way of receiving the Gospel. No matter how wonderful Jesus sounds to them, they would have to submit their husbands’ opinion. If a husband refuses Christianity, his wife would have to as well, for her own “protection” from being deceived by a Christian missionary. As such, she could never know Jesus if she sticks to obeying her husband over her own conscience towards God. And yet, instead of dismantling this harmful teaching in the interest of spreading the Gospel to such homes, complementarians are reinforcing it.

    Ironically, the same complementarians rejoice whenever a story surfaces of some woman in an Islamic country receiving the Gospel and then telling her husband all about it, and converting him to Christianity. When the Gospel spreads this way, it’s suddenly a miracle of God. And yet in a Christian home, if a woman gets into any sort of teaching at all that they don’t agree with, and persuades her husband to accept it, suddenly she’s an evil Jezebel. The inconsistency is jarring, to say the least.

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  80. Necron48, I don’t think I asked you to look at a link.

    Also, please keep the issues you have with Daisy and her blog on her blog. They don’t belong here.

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  81. Necron48 – Also women are NOT image bearers of God, the word of God states that man was created in the image of God and women are created in the image of man

    I think Mark has beaten me to it, but two things struck me about this. Genesis 1 is quite clear that male and female, ‘mankind’ are created in the image of God, and are co-regents over creation, to utilise it for their benefit.

    Once you have that on board Paul in 1 Cor 11 makes sense – For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. He does not say, as you would expect from the parallel construction woman is the image and glory of man, and the absence of explicitly saying woman is created in the image of God does not mean he didn’t believe this, it is unnecessary in light of Gen 1. The difference is in the way men and women reflect or show glory. It was extraordinary you quoted the very verse in 1 Cor 11 that doesn’t say what you say it does!

    Whether you like it or not, women are decreed by the highest power in the universe, namely God Almighty, to be the property of their husbands

    Where?

    Incidentally, if adultery is so evil, it is because you are STEALING another man’s property why is it sinful for a woman to commit adultery? By parity of reasoning …

    I believe it’s karma for women’s rebellion, since Christian men are too weak to get their women under control, …

    In the wrong order, where are Christian men extolled to get their women under control? As for karma, why are you appealing to a pagan religious concept? Hinduism and Buddhism, plus a bit of Islam thrown in for good measure. Being a bit syncretistic there. Oh well, the more the merrier.

    The earth is literally rebelling and violently resisting female domination, and the earth intends to right the balance.

    Literally rebelling is it? The earth is inanimate, I don’t see how it could in an intelligent and purposeful way resist anything. Is this resistance to female domination being led the sand, the sea, the rocks, or the air at the top of the mountains (“the hills are alive”) or that which lurks at the bottom of a swamp? I would have thought Mother Nature if you have her in mind is more likely to want female domination, not oppose it. But then she doesn’t actually exist.

    There’s your sin right there…why would you ask advice from your wife on this matter?

    Well, the apostle Peter wants husbands to live considerately with their wives, lit. according to knowledge in the Greek (isn’t that exciting?!), and a husband cannot, in my very humble opinion, consider his wife or know what she wants or needs without communicating with her, which includes actually listening to what she says. Peter uses Sarah as his example, of whom God himself once said to Abraham her husband But God said to Abraham, “Be not displeased because of the lad and because of your slave woman; whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you, for through Isaac shall your descendants be named.

    Jezebel – a prophetic teacher, whose deception (‘beguiling’ for those of riper years) was not with regard to headship and submission in marriage, but rather adultery and immorality and engaging with pagan religious concepts, whether figuratively or literally or both.

    I note you refer to wifely submission, as do the NT writers, but the instructions given to husbands, of which there are many, are conspicuous by their absence.

    In the temptation of our first parents, Satan in the form of the serpent denied the word of God, added to the word of God, and subtracted from the word of God. It can still happen today, you know.

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  82. N48,
    Are you of the charismatic/Pentecostal arm of the visible c’hurch? Avid asks a fair question of you, and my question is legitimate as well.

    As for the “bossiness syndrome”, for the record, I have had fully grown, pleasant men with excellent work ethics, work for me in the agricultural realm, and have said, “I sure enjoyed working with you.” Quoted not to brag, albeit, to prove a point here in the real world, as the Glory actually belongs to the LORD (1 Corinthians 10:31) And when a job needs to be done in our business, Jesus doesn’t care about the gender as to precisely “who” is giving the instructions, and frankly, neither do I. As long as the job gets done effectively, efficiently, and safely, it is considered a job well done and another day worth living here on the farm. And the men I have worked with in the past, are not any lesser, nor are they any greater in the grand scheme of things, they are wonderful human beings who have a passion to work and get along with folks just like I/we do here. These hired men have also shown great respect and courtesy for me as a woman and do not at all feel stupid, intimidated, or lesser a man when I have to help, considerately correct, or come along side in working together on a particular chore.

    Nope. There are some amazing men and women in the field of agriculture, N48, and the implements here on our farm business; the tractors, trucks, skid loaders, rangers and 4 wheelers, pick-ups and such don’t give a flying hoot as to the gender that operates them, just as long as they are respected and taken care of in order to plant, maintain, harvest, and market the crops. And when the going gets tough N48, there’s no time to ponder “gender” roles, and it does get tough around here.

    Can’t imagine working with a stubborn horse and old time plow. The more the visible c’hurch drives home “gender roles” and such, the further and further away it drifts from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Also, N48……I employ the word “no” quite often as the Spirit leads me! 🙂

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  83. @Lea,
    I love you too, dear sister, and have great respect for your comment threads. You are full of wisdom and compassion, and have ministered to me soul on a number of occasions, of which I am truly grateful.

    There is much, much salt here at SSB, and am so encouraged in my faith, and, in the goodness of people/folks. Keep ministering Lea!

    Blessings to you too!

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