Street Evangelism, Tony Miano, Troubling Tweets

Open Air Preacher Tony Miano’s Insensitive Tweets after Nepal Earthquake Disaster

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Open Air Preacher Tony Miano’s Twitter behavior and lessons he’s learned about kindness with his own family.

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Over the weekend, open air street preacher, Tony Miano, current member of John MacArthur’s Grace Community Church, responded to a CNN tweet about the devastating earthquake in Nepal:

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https://twitter.com/TonyMiano/status/591971536870871041

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This tweet created quite a firestorm on Twitter. How could a man be so cold, callous, and insensitive amidst such a horrific catastrophe which has now claimed over 2,500 lives? An international media outlet from UK, The Independent, was the first to cover the story involving Miano: Nepal earthquake: US Pastor Tony Miano sparks outcry by suggesting Nepalis should not rebuild their ‘pagan shrines’.

 

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Here are the first two paragraphs from The Independent:

A former Los Angeles police officer and self-styled preacher, has sparked outcry by suggesting that Nepalis should not rebuild their “pagan shrines” and instead convert to Christianity.

Tony Miano, an outspoken conservative who has previously been accused of homophobia, triggered angry responses when he posted a series of messages on social media, expressing sympathy for the people struck by devastation in Nepal, but suggesting God was angry.

Take a look at some of the tweets.

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 https://twitter.com/TonyMiano/status/592092913963642880

https://twitter.com/TonyMiano/status/592094083402760192

https://twitter.com/TonyMiano/status/592107853134999553

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“My Twitter feed is exploding.”

“The gates of Twitter hell have been released.”

~Tony Miano

I’m confused by this. The gates of Twitter hell have been released by whom?  Who is taking credit for this?
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Tony Miano nepal earthquake

 

Here is Tony Miano explaining how he has spent four hours of his time interacting with people of different faith. Keep in mind, he is a full-time evangelist supported solely by donations. Isn’t this what he is supposed to be doing?  Note the hashtag: #NotYourGrandpaMinistry, making sure we know that it’s hard work doing what he does.

Tony Miano Nepal Earthquake

 

This latest incident is another media attention grabber, but I also want to describe what he calls love. I think I figured out what he means by love in his podcast, Family Relationships: It’s Not to Late to Reboot.  The first half of the podcast he discusses the public response to his tweets, the second half is actually remarkable and we’ll get to that in a bit.

tony miano nepal earthquake

 

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The podcast begins with Miano defending his tweet (shown above):

That’s what I posted.  That’s my heart. I don’t want any of the pagan temples that have led billions of people to hell to be rebuilt because I want every human being in Nepal to come to genuine repentance in faith in Christ. That was my hope and Twitter has just exploded.  So . . .what should our response be?

In the podcast, he said he didn’t pull a Pat Robertson, who has a reputation for saying inappropriate comments after tragedies, but yet he proved himself to be “a Pat Robertson” as he continued:

I didn’t do a Pat Robertson and I didn’t go out and say that this event is God’s judgment against the Nepal. I didn’t say that. It could be, certainly, it could be. God is sovereign over everything. He directly causes and/or allows everything to happen. He’s not indifferent. He’s not uninvolved. He’s not sitting in yonder heaven twiddling his thumbs watching the world go by without having any hand in it. His hand is all over it. There’s not a stray atom. There’s not a stray molecule. There’s not a single hair out of place . . . The earth shakes at His command . . He is in control of all of it.

So, he said God controls every molecule, but he isn’t pulling a Pat Robertson. Okay. He continued:

I don’t think my tweet was taken the wrong way. I think it was taken as it was intended, and people hate itbecause people hate Jesus Christ. The comments have been: “how dare you –  how dare you use this tragedy to “promote” your religion?”

My response would be, “how dare a Christian not open his or her mouth and call people to repent and believe the gospel in times of tragedy?” Show me in the Bible where the Bible supports the idea of Christians remaining silent because bad things are happening to bad people?

He is not sorry for the tweet whatsoever, but believes as a Christian he should be tweeting for people to repent. He then goes on to describe how he sees himself, and his friends, and everyone as “bad people” because no one is good, not even himself, his friends, his wife. Bad things happen because of sin. He discusses the wrath of God:

“A 7.8 earthquake in Katmandu will seem like a ripple in a kiddie pool compared to what Jesus Christ will do to this earth as he judges in righteousness. That is a message of love. That is a message of love.”

  [JA note: he repeated that line twice.] 

I shared the gospel  – I don’t know how many dozens of times on Twitter today. . . and people hate it.  They hate the message of love because they love themselves and they love their sin more than they love God. They want to be God, and, like the Pharisees, they want to murder the God they know exists because they want to be God, because they do not want to submit to the authority of Him.

And that is true of the most angriest [sic] vile atheist on the planet and it is true of the humblest meekest mildest [sic] Nepali Hindu woman bowing before a temple, bowing before an idol. It is hatred of the God they know exists. It is hatred of their Creator. It is hatred of Christ.

I do not believe that the responses to Tony’s tweets indicated people’s hatred of Christ. Their response was to his behavior. I believe he knew it would cause a outroar and this method has been proven successful before. This is not so much about saving souls as it is about drawing attention to Tony Miano under the guise of spreading the Gospel and I think we have the proof below in Tony’s own words. I wonder how many people have been saved after someone told them to repent on Twitter? Think about it.

Miano finished his diatribe and asks his podcast partner, Chris Hohnholz, to share his thoughts:

Miano asked, “What do you think, Chris? I’m done preaching. What do you think?”

Chris joined the conversation. At first you might wonder where he’s going with his words (the bolded part), but then you can see how he justifies and supports Miano’s tweets:

You know, brother, I was just thinking about the whole,  “now-is-not-the time” [phrase]. It’s interesting because most of the folks who would make such a claim probably would also be saying – well, any other time is not the really the time. It’s not the issue of the timing. Certainly we as Christians are sensitive to someone if someone is in great pain because of the loss of a child, the last thing we’re going to do is to take them through an Are-You-a-Good-Person test. We’re going to comfort them, we’re going take care of them. . .

[Side note:  The Are-you-a-Good-Person test may have originated from Ray Comfort (Tony Miano formerly worked with Ray at Living Waters). It’s a tool evangelists use in sharing the Gospel to convince the person that they are really not a good person, that they are in fact a sinner, and they need Christ.  Here’s a cutesy example of it produced by Living Waters.]

Chris Hohnholz continues:

But when we are distant from it, and it’s a subject that we can discuss, this is what’s going on, this is the reality of death, that those who died outside of Christ in Nepal will be going to hell. [But] we’re not in the midst of it. We’re not taking care of the broken and bleeding bodies. We’re distant from it. We’re able to discuss this matter and talk about what the real hope is, because sadly, for those who died outside of Christ in Nepal, there is no hope now . . .We have the opportunity to bring hope to those who are hurt by this emotionally, who are concerned for people who have been affected by this.

Ok, so here it is. I think we got a clue from Chris. Since Tony Miano is DISTANT from the disaster area, he thinks it’s okay to discuss it with such strong terms. That is the justification = geographical distance. This mileage apparently gives him the right to say what he feels needs to be said – which he calls l.o.v.e.

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Miano then exhorted Christians to behave appropriately on Twitter.  This is rich:

I’ve also posted on Twitter asking Christians who are jumping in to make sure that they do so with Christlikeness, that souls being saved is more important than winning the argument and we can’t respond in kind and revile, no matter how bad the reviling is. I had people posting prayers asking for my death, you know, and, things like that. We obviously can’t respond in kind. We’ve got to love the lost.

uh-huh! 

Ok, now here’s an unexpected twist to the story. In the second half of the podcast, at about the 41-minute mark, Tony Miano shared from his heart about his family, his parents’ divorce, estrangement from his mother and also his sisters. The last time all of his siblings were together was 16 years ago. The last time he spoke with his mom was 5 years ago. Miano discussed honor and how he knew he was commanded Biblically to honor his parents, but he did not exactly know how to do that or what that looked like.

Tony Miano shared how he met with his younger sisters and his mother. He had some very deep heart-to-heart conversations with his sisters, one in particular lasting 5 hours, saying, “The Lord allowed me to have the most profitable Gospel conversation with this sister that I’ve ever had since coming to faith in Christ, and He wasn’t done.”

This Tony Miano was different. It was beautiful. He stated there was reconciliation, healing, joy, smiles, experiences that the siblings hadn’t shared for a long time. Look at these words:

Now along with the estrangement with my mom, there was also estrangement with my two youngest sisters for all kinds of reasons. I think it would also be safe to say at times it was the Gospel that was part of that estrangement, but not only the Gospel. There were times along the way I blew it in how I shared the Gospel with them, not the when, not the why, but the how.

 Do you see that? He gets it – – “the how.”  That is exactly what we’ve been saying all along – it is “the how.”

He also shared a bit about his long-time friend, Ray Comfort. He said that Comfort modeled to him what “true kindness to unsaved family members really looks like.”  He mentioned how Ray Comfort shows kindness even in the way he treats atheists after having an hour-long debate with them. After a debate, Comfort would shake their hand, put his hand on their shoulder. Kindness. Ray Comfort showed kindness and Miano respected him for that.

In the same podcast in which Tony Miano says it is love to behave as he did in his tweets regarding the temples in Nepal and telling people to repent following a natural disaster, we see that he has been shown and received kindness in his interaction with his siblings as Christ was exalted in their conversation.

You can’t have it both ways, but Tony Miano thinks he is entitled to behave one way on social media, yet knows in his heart that “the how” and kindness, the same kindness he experienced with his precious sisters and mother, is of God.

And this is the saddest thing of all to me – – Tony’s online behavior. Take a look at how many news outlets are picking up the story and it has been growing.

Please, Tony, if you cannot be kind for Christ, if you cannot control “the how,” please check to see if you are in the right business/ministry . . . .  for Christ’s sake.

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160 thoughts on “Open Air Preacher Tony Miano’s Insensitive Tweets after Nepal Earthquake Disaster”

  1. Fascinating comparison. I suspect that his tweet had more to do with a wrong perspective of Nepalese people and the word “pagan”, and that his family he relates to better. He knows them, he doesn’t know the people of Nepal.

    I have often been frustrated by a similar double-mindedness on other sites by Christians who bash others and then call it a kindness, call it love. In his tweet, Miano did not in fact, share the Gospel. He did not tell anyone about Jesus, he did not seek to “make disciples”. And God does not reside in buildings. How many previously pagan temples have been reclaimed in the name of Christianity over the years?

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  2. How many previously pagan temples have been reclaimed in the name of Christianity over the years?

    Indeed, Loura!

    In other tweets, he did link to youtube videos, blogs, etc. I didn’t click on any links, but I suspect there was some sort of Gospel message, but when looking through his tweets, he spent far more time debating and telling people to repent than sharing any love of Christ.

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  3. I don’t think he liked my comment ‘Why would anyone want to become a Christian when people like him put themselves up as a spokeperson for our faith’, and I certainly didn’t expect a response from him. This was Tony’s response:’And which part of the call to repent and believe the gospel do you hate the most, Rhonda?’
    I think someone needs to inform Tony that the days of ‘hellfire preaching’ are over and the days of ‘give a cup of water in my Name’ are here.

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  4. I guess that the likes of Tony seem to think that God’s judgment is by way of earthquakes and tornado’s, huh? Romans 2:14-16 shows that God judges based on conscience to those who have never had the “good news”. And we all know that God doesn’t judge until after one is dead. And that, in itself is good news, according to the Apostle Paul. Tony does not give good news to anyone. He is always giving the bad news. I agree with the tweet that states that he gives judgment, rather than good news. Tony has no clue what love is. He presents Jesus as a taskmaster, not a redeemer.

    Luke 13:1-5 is my response to Tony (The Words “YOU” and “THEM” is “TONY”):

    There were some present at that very time who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? 3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? 5 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

    Ed

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  5. “My Twitter feed is exploding.”
    “The gates of Twitter hell have been released.”
    ~Tony Miano

    “I’m confused by this. The gates of Twitter hell have been released by whom? Who is taking credit for this?”

    His twitter is “exploding” because he’s just so darn popular that he has to declare it to us all via twitter. The gates of Twitter hell have been released by Miano via his over the top insensitive tweet he will claim is ‘heralding’ the gospel. (Twitter hell is everyone who disagrees with or critiques him.) Miano is, as per usual, taking credit for it all.

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  6. Miano is, as per usual, taking credit for it all.

    So much for God moving every molecule, then, huh, Diane? Unless ™ is thinking he’s God.

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  7. Ugh. I was hoping there wouldn’t be these type of tweets. ☹ Is he praying for the families of those that died or were injured? Or is he saying that all the people in Nepal are lost souls? Either way, his lack of empathy and compassion is astounding. Where is the concern and prayers for all those who are suffering and hurting in a very real way right now?

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  8. @Ed, You give some great Biblical examples to the point of not everything tragic is God’s judgement. Still, there are a lot of OT examples (contrasted by Job’s story) where God specifically brings disaster on a nation to judge it. I do not believe God has changed, but how can we reconcile the two?

    (Anyone feel free to chime in!)

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  9. Loura,
    Hi, Loura!
    Hebrews 9:27, it is appointed unto man once to die, and THEN the judgment.

    I can’t answer that in a “for sure” way, but I think about this a lot these days, with all the things going on in the world.

    First, I look at the promise that God made to Noah, and gave the sign of the rainbow.

    Next, I look at the negotiations that Abraham had with God. Abraham got HIM down to, what, 5 people?
    Then I also take a look at that God did not just “give” Canaan to the Jews, and what was the reason? Because their sins was not at the tipping point yet.
    Finally, I look at what most of us can agree on in regards to prophesy regarding Israel and the Jews. Not all of us are in agreement, as I have been in heated debates on this blog before with a few people. I am, a Zionist believer, all because God made Abraham a promise about a piece of real estate, and gave him the sign of circumcision as a promissory note.
    I also look at, what I provided before, Romans 2:14-16. I present them with the following:

    Oprah Winfrey had asked once, “What about the people who have never heard of Jesus, or the Gospel, or of God at all? Are they all going to hell?”. That is a serious question to consider, and she asked in a mocking way, mainly because most Christians will say that if you aren’t saved in this life, you are doomed. But the people that have no clue, i.e. the Amazon people with bones in their noses and spears in their hands, their conscience determines their salvation…after they are dead, for we all must answer to God. They are not held to account for what they don’t know. They are held to account for only what they know.

    The law of Moses was given ONLY to the Jews. Gentiles have never been subjected to the Law of Moses…but some legalists will argue against that. The law shows that we have already sinned against God, and based on our own conscience, what do we do about it? We repent to God, once we know God. We must first have knowledge. No one can reject Jesus until they are given information about Jesus. The ignorant do not reject Jesus, for they don’t know Jesus. Knowledge is Key!
    For by the law is the knowledge of sin. Romans 7, Paul was “alive” (spiritually) until he knew the law, then..then one dies spiritually.

    The name of that tree in the garden was called Knowledge of Good and Evil.

    Deuteronomy 1:39 in regards to “children” who have no knowledge…guess who gets to go to the promised land? What is the promised land?
    Deu 1:39

    And as for your little ones, who you said would become a prey, and your children, who today have no knowledge of good or evil, they shall go in there. And to them I will give it, and they shall possess it.

    So, who gets to go to the Promised Land?

    Those who have faith:
    Caleb and Joshua
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    Those who have no knowledge of Good and Evil (Deuteronomy 1:39)
    Hebrews 9:27, it is appointed unto man once to die, and THEN the judgment.
    Ed

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  10. He calls that sharing the Gospel??? Show me where he talks of Jesus, and of His love. Show me where he shares how to be born again. Where did he talk about forgiveness of sins? Where is the love? All he does is spew condemnation as if he were God himself. He has one heck of a messianic complex.

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  11. I’ve only read about 3/4 of the original post so far (I’ll read the rest in a bit), but…

    If Miano is trying to lead people to Christ, this is not the way to do it. This is going to drive some people away from Christ.

    Is Miano not familiar with the book of Job in the Old Testament (and other similar New Testament examples), where God exhorts believers to meet the immediate needs of hurting people first and later on, give them theology?

    I remember reading a story a few years ago on a site. It was about a Christian who went to some third world nation.

    One of the native ladies had a sick baby. She told the Christian missionary something like, “Heal my sick baby first, give my baby medicine, and then maybe I can stand to listen to your Gospel.”

    People aren’t interested in the religion you are trying to peddle them if they are hurting at the moment, and/or until they can see you are serious about caring for them as they are.

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  12. Daisy,

    Right on! That is what our “good works” are supposed to be all out…letting our light shine.

    This little light of mine, I’m gonna let it shine! I’m kinda wondering what songs that Tony remembers about Jesus as a child? “Jesus chose me, this I know, for Calvin told me so”?

    Ed

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  13. Miano thinks a bit highly of himself. Most likely he’s quite proud of himself for opening up the “gates of Twitter hell” and soon he’ll be crying “persecution!”

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  14. Daisy – Miano’s main concern is law/gospel, with a heavy emphasis on law (even though he will claim gospel). The gospel is nothing more than the hope that the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus brings. He can’t focus on “gospel” because he’s so concerned about “law.”

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  15. If Miano is trying to lead people to Christ, this is not the way to do it. This is going to drive some people away from Christ.

    That answer won’t work for ™ because no matter how Tony behaves, God is Sovereign. So, ™ can be the biggest jerk in the world, but God is able to do His work anyway. I’m thinking that spiritually bullies “use” their belief in God’s Sovereignty to keep on bullying.

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  16. Julie Anne said,

    That answer won’t work for ™ because no matter how Tony behaves, God is Sovereign. So, ™ can be the biggest jerk in the world, but God is able to do His work anyway. I’m thinking that spiritually bullies “use” their belief in God’s Sovereignty to keep on bullying.

    If Miano believes God pre-determines who is doomed / who is saved, one wonders why he acts so concerned about sharing the Gospel with people in Nepal, on Twitter, or anywhere. His view makes proselytizing rather pointless.

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  17. Kathi,

    I’ve been encountering a different sect in regards to Law/Gospel, too. It’s the “Returning to our Jewish Roots” movement, headed by Gentiles. My roommate is sucked into that. There is a local guy from Tacoma, and I guess he is very well known, that he and John Hagee are in a legal battle over the topic of “Blood Moons”. His name is Mark Biltz. Anyway, my point is that they are getting the words TORAH, which is transliterated in the English Language as “Law”, with the word “Law”, which is used to denote the Law of Moses.

    Torah simply means “First 5 Books”, not the law of Moses. So, they quote Matthew 5:17-18, and delete the word “prophets”, telling people that Jesus didn’t come to destroy the Ten Commandments.

    When you put the words, “Law and/or The Prophets” together. It is discussing Genesis to Deuteronomy and/or Joshua to Malachi.

    The Law of Moses is within the Torah, but the law of Moses is not the Torah.

    So, they are putting people back under the law of Moses, and that Jesus’ good news is the added laws, that if you love Jesus, you will obey the Ten Commandments.

    They dispute that there is such a word as testament in the Bible…and, in some English translations, that is true…but, it is shown in other ways, too…i.e., first/old covenant vs. second/new covenant. Hebrews 10, I believe, in the KJV tells us all about the word “Testator/Testament”, such as the last will and testament, in that it is only in effect after a person dies, not when they are alive, and that blood was shed to put it in effect. And that the old/first was taken out of the way so that the second could be established.

    So, this Law/Gospel thing is really taking off!!

    Ed

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  18. Regarding Ed’s APRIL 26, 2015 @ 10:32 PM

    This is one reason of many I am not too keen on the Christian faith anymore.

    So many Christians over-think and complicate everything, and it seems to unnecessary. They usually cannot agree on much of anything, either.

    The version of the faith I learned as a kid, and my mother sang to me when I was a kid was, “Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so.”

    I didn’t have to worry or ponder about the role of law v faith, or if some terms are biblical or not. Mom just taught me that Jesus loves me, believe in him, that’s it. That’s about the only portrayal of the faith I understand anymore or like now.

    I tire of the Neo Calvinist guys and some other Christians who get into prolonged debates about certain things, or who nit pick over terminology. I’m not applying any of this to anyone in the thread, I’m talking more about Christians I’ve seen in real life, on other sites, or the more famous Christians (the ones who get books published etc).

    It’s like the older I get, the more I realize the less I know.

    Oh, and nobody else knows much of anything, either, is another thing I’ve noticed. Due to that, I find most preachers annoying now. Preachers don’t have God or life or anything figured out, either. They’re no better at understanding God or life than I am.

    The real honest preachers admit it (that they don’t have any final answers, that the Bible makes no sense at the end of the day, that they lack answers, etc), and some say this is one reason they’ve quit preaching and gone into another line of work (I’ve read their testimonies in books about why people drop out of church).

    The Christians such as Miano, who act like they have it all figured out? They amuse me now. Or, at times, they irritate me.

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  19. Daisy,

    Yes, I am still up!! I agree, and in all reality, your explanation is all that is needed. Believe. That’s it. But many, like Miano, CON, and others in the legalist world don’t believe that. Abraham believed. That’s it. He lived his belief, hence faith without living it is dead. Abraham didn’t have the law of Moses. The law is a barrier to faith, for the law is not of faith. God put the law into place “so that” sin would increase, not for sin to decrease:

    Romans 5:20
    The law was given so that sin would increase. But where sin increased, God’s grace increased even more.

    You got it!

    Ed

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  20. Where is the kindness, empathy, sympathy, call to help these people. There are people who’s grief runs deep for their loved ones that have been killed. If TM, or anyone else that should be banned from twitter or speaking in a public forum, feels there are pagan temples that came down in this devastation, why not pray quietly in their closet for the saving power of Christ to be used for his glory in the midst of a huge crisis. I would like to see one of these in your face guys use some of their money and go to where there is a real need and cry for help and lift a finger to help. In fact, take a team along.

    All I see is a man who stands behind a microphone or twitter account judging anyone and everyone, but not looking inside his own heart and looking at himself in the mirror and praying, “Lord send me”. “I need you and so do all people. I have the ability to be of service in this time of need and may it lead lost souls to you in a gentle way just as Jesus did. Amen.” Then get up off your knees, get your team together, get on a plane and find out what can be done to serve. This is, of course, my suggestion. It may not be what God is calling Miano to do, but I’m sure that the tweets that he put out there was not the Spirit’s leading either.

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  21. I look at it this way- as a believer in Jesus Christ I believe in following Christ’s example. No where in Scripture did Jesus answer these most difficult questions of: whether or not God uses disasters to confront sin or why so many good people die from disasters, crime, evil people. Back then everyday life was cruel , plus the ancient peoples had a different perspective on life and death then we do today. We look at things from a Western then from an Eastern viewpoint. Now is it wrong for us to ask God these questions or even grapple with them, I don’t think so; but to start thinking like we have the answer and air it out in the open like Tony does is another matter.

    Jesus’ answer to us was simple: in the midst of strife and sin we (personally and in relationship to Him) are to love Him and love others. Love covers a multiple of sins, even disasters. Love transforms us and conquers the fear around us. I believe that the Holy Spirit shows us (when we trust Him to) a better way- He will give us that peace and long-suffering in His timing. Tony Miano is NOT AT ALL showing the example of Christ. He thinks he is God’s prophet, when all he is is a mouthpiece for hate. NT scripture only gives a way to live righteously and love, it does not answer the hard questions. Even with Job. Job had many questions and his friends tried to give him all the answers, but in the end God stated that the friends were idiots and that Job needed to just trust Him. It is a hard thing to do for all of us and God can handle our own questions of “why”? He does it with love.

    We don’t need Tony Miano to be a “friend” of Jobs. Thanks Tony, but NO THANKS!

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  22. Is Tony Miano related to Pat Robertson for they share similar speech patterns.

    I was wondering if we, here in America have pagan temples polishing the landscape of democracy in which Jesus left the building long ago and replaced it with the idolatry of the self/man/narcissism? And if it happens, that one who loves the LORD speaks of Jesus and His wondrous works in the life of a sinner within the church system on a Sunday morning in every day conversation……..

    the pew sitters look at you as if you are a crazy woman and call you a Bible thumper, Jesus freak, and call for the psychologist because there is something seriously wrong with you.

    So then the believer begins to wonder; we gather here on Sunday mornings to sit, listen to the pastor speak grandiose stories of his faith, his family, and his experiences minus the Bible and its eternal life saving teachings, we sing worship songs and listen to the drummer, guitar players and electric keyboards blast the ears off of our heads, then give them a hand clap and listen to everyone brag them up as if they need their egos stroked some more, then we give our money and are told by the preacher man that we are not giving enough….and the “synod, synod, and more hierarchal synod shames and lays tremendous burdens of guilt on the pastors at their “meetings held in the high places” “, then we sing a hymn at the end to patronize the old folks in the congregation because after all, we still want to show them that we “care” about their likes (but secretly the leadership wants them to include the “corporate church” in their will so the harlot can receive their inheritance to spend more money on the buildings, furnishings, and more material things to make them appear holy on the outside)…..and then we are dismissed to talk about anything and everything except Jesus and His teachings and how He is working in our lives.

    And the prayer life of the institutional church remains drier than Death Valley on the hottest day of the year.

    No prayer, no repentance, no teaching and learning of our Wondrous Savior, no tears of remorse over our own sin, no joy in the LORD for saving us from eternal hell…..just nothing! But we call this church and we wonder why the

    “American pagan temples” are decreasing in numbers.”

    Perhaps our LORD Jesus Christ is calling out a people for Himself from the harlot religious system that has no need for Christ, for it is completely reliant on the self.
    May our LORD Jesus Christ forgive us here in America for what we are becoming……and is not very becoming. Forgive us Father.

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  23. Tony Miano sounds like a man entirely trapped in his own bubble, so much so that he has no idea how his words sound, or how his behaviour looks, to those outside the bubble. It’s like he can’t conceive of any reason why any “right thinking” people should be offended by a thing he says. Perhaps the bubble acts like an echo chamber — inside it, all he hears is his own voice, and words of praise and affirmation from every voice he respects.

    Hard to think of what might get through to him.

    Meanwhile, Miano’s attitude might be driving people away from Jesus in droves. As rhonda tweeted:

    ‘Why would anyone want to become a Christian when people like him put themselves up as a spokeperson for our faith?’

    …and in the words of a classic ’80s pop song:

    Comin’ over the airwaves,
    The man says I’m overdue:
    “Sing along! Send money! Join the chosen few!”
    Mister, I’m not in a hurry,
    And I don’t wanna be like you!

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  24. “Trapped in his own bubble” reminded me of this comment that cd in on the FB page:

    “To me, this only strengthens the Psychohistory theories that guys like this were abused, and that this is the kind of “love’ his mama dishes out to him.”

    Listening to the podcast? It’s very clear there was something going on between Tony and his mother. He discussed that this recent visit his mother held him longer and stronger than he’d ever felt.

    It’s interesting that on the podcast, we got to hear both his self defense of his Twitter behavior and then a humility with regard to his mom and honor, yet it’s like he can only apply that kindness and “the how” to his family. Those outside his family (or distant) aren’t worthy of that kindness. But then he respects Ray Comfort for his kindness to strangers, so that part is confusing, too.

    I think the podcast would be fascinating for a psychologist to listen to.

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  25. Miano’s twisted perspective is bound to catch up with him at some point. You know, “Give him enough rope” and all. How embarrassing.

    Meanwhile, caring people in the international community are mobilizing to help. Who do you think will touch the hearts and lives of the Nepalese people?

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  26. His “warning” to his Twitter readers cracks me up too. Are those who follow him as easily offended and shocked by people’s responses as he is? You know, he has a FB policy where he will delete comments and block people who don’t agree with him. I don’t know how Twitter works, but has he blocked everyone who tweeted about him? Are the response tweets showing up on his feed? If so, and he could block them, is he leaving them on there so everyone can see how persecuted he is for merely spreading God’s love?

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  27. Yes, he is blocking people. He said somewhere that he’s having a hard time keeping up with the blocking.

    This is the largest outcry against TM I have ever seen and it’s not letting up. He’s still fighting this morning. People are very irate. He, of course, views anyone who disagrees with him as lost.

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  28. I agree with a previous commenter. Miano just wants to provoke people to anger at his lousy theology so he can claim persecution. To paraphrase someone, you can’t act like a d-bag then claim “persecution!” when you’re called out on it.

    Also, my independent ancient Greek study (I am a student, not an expert) has revealed this (from Romans 10:13):

    ” For everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

    From the interlinear and Strong’s and Thayer’s lectionaries:

    “For”: Indeed, actually, yes
    “everyone”: All people, all things
    “who”: who, that
    epikalestatai to onoma ( a greek phrase): call by an additional name, appeal to the name, character, fame, reputation
    “of the Lord”: of the Lord
    “will be saved”: will be saved, healed, preserved, rescued

    And note: “call by an additional name” is the first definition in Strong’s; I didn’t have to dig for a meaning I preferred. Possibly those Buddhists who appear to appeal to the kind and humane character of God are saved. Maybe God doesn’t really need us to save his children; maybe he just privileges us to share his love with them (ie, by love I mean humanitarian aid, encouragement that they are not alone in their suffering, coming alongside and weeping with them in their huge loss).

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  29. “He said somewhere that he’s having a hard time keeping up with the blocking.”

    Awww…poor guy.

    Tim – I’m sure he thought his few like-minded buddies were waiting with bated breath to see how he would handle the gates of Twitter hell. An hour is a long time for him to be away from Twitter.

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  30. Re his admission of blocking people: it’s like he says, “I preach a gospel everyone needs to receive, but if you dare disagree with me you are unworthy to hear it.”

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  31. My first thought, as others have expressed, when reading this was his plaintive-sounding “all I did was preach the gospel…” — and yet I don’t see it. Where does he preach the gospel? What does he mean when he says “gospel”?

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  32. Great food for thought in this thread. Ed, I know people who are in that neo-Judaizers movement. One of our children is good friends with someone and is being sucked in. When we talk about their practice of their faith, they sound all reasonable in explaining why it’s not legalism, and it sounds reasonable until I walk away and start thinking about it, and then it sure *looks* legalistic to me.

    I guess I am easily confused by words.

    That is why I have so appreciated those in the thread who have taken time to type out their thoughts, Daisy, Ed, trusthim, jkpvarin. Kati, I have sat in two of those buildings you described — one without much reference to the bible in the sermons (though scripture was read every week as part of a lectionary, I think it was called, on schedule, printed out all pretty on a half sheet of paper for us to follow along), but the other where the sermons were heavily bible-based — the guy would be preaching his way through a book of the bible, passage by passage or sometimes verse by verse — and yet infused with calvinist-based legalism. And yet other people (since leaving) I have talked to from that latter church felt as I did, as if we were dying inside, faith burned down to a few small coals, barely glowing, threatening to go out; just going through the motions of worship out of obedience, forgetting the joy of our salvation (and for the children in that church, who have known nothing else, I wonder if they have ever known the joy of salvation in the first place?).

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  33. He talks out of both sides of his mouth, Tim, on blocking people. He says I’m a heathen, unregenerate, blah, blah, and earlier said that he unblocked me so that it would remind him to pray for me. Now, I’m blocked again. So he unblocks “unbelievers” so he can pray for them, yet we see him blocking nearly anyone who challenges him (believers/unbelievers alike).

    I saw someone who was engaged in a friendly conversation, who said something to the effect, “we just disagree on this issue,” and then she sent out a tweet asking Tony why he blocked her.

    Think about it – a man who spends a huge amount of time on social media, is paid by donors to be an evangelist and he blocks the very people he’s supposed to be evangelizing. This is seriously messed up.

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  34. We have finally found a replacement for Pat Robertson and Flutterhands Piper in the “shooting off my Godly mouth” department.

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  35. @Refugee:

    When we talk about their practice of their faith, they sound all reasonable in explaining why it’s not legalism, and it sounds reasonable until I walk away and start thinking about it, and then it sure *looks* legalistic to me.

    That’s because you got out of range of their Sociopath’s Stupid Ray.

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  36. @JulieAnne:

    That answer won’t work for ™ because no matter how Tony behaves, God is Sovereign. So, ™ can be the biggest jerk in the world, but God is able to do His work anyway.

    The Arrogance of the Predestined Elect is truly amazing.

    Amazing what a Get-Out-of-Hell-Free card signed by God before the creation of the world can do to your ego & attitude.

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  37. “we just disagree on this issue,”

    I don’t comprehend the name calling and not being able to agree to disagree. If Miano really thinks that you are a heathen, why is he not humbly trying to change that? Humility sadly lacking in his ongoing behavior. I don’t understand why he thinks you are a heathen, Julie Anne. I have not seen that in your writing at all. I see someone who wants to help others in diffi”cult” situations.

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  38. P.S. Everybody:

    It’s Twitter. Whose Deep Thoughts in 140 characters or less are optimized for the level of “I Made A Poopie!”

    Why do you think they call them “Twits”?

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  39. @Tim:

    I love how in the middle he announces he has to go host his radio show but assures everyone that he’ll be back.

    Did he deliver “I’ll Be Back” in an Arnie-Terminator voice?

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  40. lara – That article you posted with the picture of thousands of animals sacrificed makes me think of the thousands of people who are now repulsed by Christianity because of his behavior. Miano is like the new Fred Phelps from Westboro Baptist (actually, I think Fred Phelps may now be truly resting in peace as he had a change of heart in his final days).

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  41. I’m beginning to suspect there might be a bit of friendly competition between Miano and Piper on who can produce the most hideous tweets.

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  42. So then the believer begins to wonder; we gather here on Sunday mornings to sit, listen to the pastor speak grandiose stories of his faith, his family, and his experiences minus the Bible and its eternal life saving teachings, we sing worship songs and listen to the drummer, guitar players and electric keyboards blast the ears off of our heads, then give them a hand clap and listen to everyone brag them up as if they need their egos stroked some more, then we give our money and are told by the preacher man that we are not giving enough….and the “synod, synod, and more hierarchal synod shames and lays tremendous burdens of guilt on the pastors at their “meetings held in the high places” “, then we sing a hymn at the end to patronize the old folks in the congregation because after all, we still want to show them that we “care” about their likes (but secretly the leadership wants them to include the “corporate church” in their will so the harlot can receive their inheritance to spend more money on the buildings, furnishings, and more material things to make them appear holy on the outside)…..and then we are dismissed to talk about anything and everything except Jesus and His teachings and how He is working in our lives.

    Oh Katy this spoke to me!!LOL…… this was one of the main reasons I stopped going for good. It took me awhile to grasp this fact and oh I am so glad I am free from it.
    Two of the reasons that got me to walk out the door was in a Reformed Church.

    One was when I was attending a home group and the leader said “Jesus cannot be your friend- He is too Sovereign” . That was it- I quit going to “church” in my heart.

    This is how Tony Miano is acting and it is turning people off big time. To Tony, Jesus does not heal the broken hearted; His burden is not easy or yoke is light. Jesus does not have time for the children or the widows (singles, divorced) in Tony’s world.

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  43. Milano sounds like he is all about power and control. He sets himself up knowing he will receive a lot of push back. Martyr much?? Maybe he misses the power he had over people when he was a police officer. In his world there always has to be “bad guys.”

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  44. Regarding

    lara APRIL 27, 2015 @ 8:05 AM
    if you are offended by tony maybe you should read this article
    (link is to aarticle about animal sacrifice)

    I am a supporter of animal welfare, so I’m not cool with people abusing animals, or killing them (and not even for religious rituals, and yes, I cringe at all the animal killing in the Old Testament).

    I’ve also read that some Hindus murder Christians overseas, and I’m not fine with that, either.

    I don’t think most Christians – ones with conventional views of the faith – will argue against the idea of sharing the Gospel with Hindus, but rather, with how and/or when it should be done.

    I don’t think hitting Hindus over the head with a Bible and telling them their religion is wrong and they are pagans shortly after, or in the midst of a natural tragedy , where over 2,000 have died, is the time to do it.

    Also, Miano’s attitude about it seemed rather condescending.

    I know one or two people quoted above said they only have a problem with a “how” and not “when” or it, but I personally have problems with both Miano’s how AND with his when.

    Was Miano sharing the Gospel with people in Nepal prior to the earthquake?

    Anyway, I am opposed to people killing animals for ritualistic purposes, but I don’t see how them killing animals excuses Miano’s insensitive handling of the earthquake situation. Two wrongs don’t make a right, is what I’m trying to say, I suppose.

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  45. Headless Unicorn Guy posted:

    @Tim:
    I love how in the middle he announces he has to go host his radio show but assures everyone that he’ll be back.

    Did he deliver “I’ll Be Back” in an Arnie-Terminator voice?

    Miano had to go protect Sarah and John Connor from the T-1000.

    Unless he’s the bad model of Terminator, in which case, he had to go hunt Sarah and John Connor.

    The actor who played the T-1000 (actor Robert Patrick) said while filming the Terminator 2 movie, he accidentally stepped on Arnold’s finger during a fight scene, and Arnold said to him (and very calmly),
    “Rob-buht, you stepped on my fing-uh.”

    I read that story in People magazine once. And yes, they spelled it out like that in print, I guess Robert Patrick did his impression of Arnold for the magazine interview.

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  46. @Diane:

    Oh there he goes again…declaring who is and who isn’t saved.

    God is SOOOOOO lucky to have TM sitting at His right hand. What would He EVER do on J-Day without TM there to tell Him who’s Saved and Who’s not?
    “ME SHEEP! HIM GOAT! HIM GOAT! HIM GOAT! HIM GOAT! HIM GOAT!”

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  47. HUG’s impression of Miano,

    God is SOOOOOO lucky to have TM sitting at His right hand. What would He EVER do on J-Day without TM there to tell Him who’s Saved and Who’s not?
    “ME SHEEP! HIM GOAT! HIM GOAT! HIM GOAT! HIM GOAT! HIM GOAT!”

    He probably also stands at the foot of the Temple to say,
    “Thank you Lord, that I am not like a filthy tax collector or these pagan Hindus.”
    ———————
    (See Luke 18:9-14, link is to Bible Gateway site, The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector)

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  48. BIT said,

    I’m beginning to suspect there might be a bit of friendly competition between Miano and Piper on who can produce the most hideous tweets.

    As far as I know, Pat Robertson does not personally send out Tweets. If he did, we could count him in.

    But Robertson uses his daily “700 Club” television show to make his goofy, judgmental, or weird commentary. You can find examples on You Tube.

    Sometimes Robertson has said on his show that certain natural tragedies are due to sin. After Haiti was struck by a bad earth quake or hurricane or whatever it was several years ago, IIRC, Robertson attributed it to Voo-doo or what not.

    Pat Robertson says Haiti paying for ‘pact to the devil’ (CNN), January 2010

    (CNN) — Pat Robertson, the evangelical Christian who once suggested God was punishing Americans with Hurricane Katrina, says a “pact to the devil” brought on the devastating earthquake in Haiti.

    Officials fear more than 100,000 people have died as a result of Tuesday’s 7.0-magnitude earthquake in Haiti.

    Robertson, the host of the “700 Club,” blamed the tragedy on something that “happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it.”

    The Haitians “were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III and whatever,” Robertson said on his broadcast Wednesday. “And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, ‘We will serve you if you will get us free from the French.’ True story. And so, the devil said, ‘OK, it’s a deal.’ “

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  49. Julie Anne, if you do a search for Miano’s name on Google News, several more news articles or editorials appear.

    I don’t know how many links we are allowed per post, so I’ll only do one or two, but the current results I see are these – and as you can see, Miano’s handling of this is not going over well with many Christians or with NonChristians.

    Regardless of Miano’s motive, he’s turning a lot of people off and giving them the wrong idea about Christians or Christianity:

    Nepal earthquake: US Pastor Tony Miano sparks outcry by suggesting Nepalis …
    The Independent

    Nepal earthquake: ‘Don’t rebuild ‘pagan’ Hindu temples, convert to Christianity’
    Zee News

    Shocking: US pastor says Nepali people should adopt Christianity, no need to …
    Oneindia – ‎6 hours ago‎

    This obnoxious comment, which will soon snowball into major controversy has come at a time when both Nepal and India are trying to come to terms with worst tragedy of recent times. This comment will surely invite pastor Miano, who is a former Los Angeles police officer ire of people from these two countries.

    Nepal Earthquake: Nepalis should convert to Christianity and not rebuild their …
    Newsx – ‎9 hours ago‎

    Nepal earthquake: US pastor says God is angry
    Northern Star – ‎20 hours ago‎

    Other sources:

    Christian Preacher Adds Insult to Injury with Nepal Tweet (atheist blog on Patheos)

    Nepal earthquake: US Pastor Tony Miano sparks outcry by …
    www. hinduhumanrights.info/nepal-…

    Tony Miano Rejoices Over Earthquake in Nepal
    (from The Life and Times of Bruce Gerencser blog), quote:

    Why are Christians silent when people like Tony Miano, Franklin Graham, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Ray Comfort, John Piper, Al Mohler, and a host of other miscreants, use the suffering and loss of others to remind them of their need to repent and believe in Jesus?

    Nepal earthquake: US Pastor Tony Miano sparks outcry by …
    businessdailyreview .com/…/nepal-earthquake-us-pastor-tony-miano-spar…

    There are many other blog pages and articles out there about this.

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  50. As far as I know, Pat Robertson does not personally send out Tweets. If he did, we could count him in.

    I freely and openly admit a tendency to forget Pat Roberson exists.

    I plead the fifth as to whether this is deliberate.

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  51. CON continues his bromance with Miano. “Eternal salvation from the wrath of God trumps temporal felt needs.” Oh?

    “I was hungry and you fed me,
    I was thirsty and you gave me a drink,
    I was homeless and you gave me a room,
    I was shivering and you gave me clothes,
    I was sick and you stopped to visit,
    I was in prison and you came to me.’
    37-40 “Then those ‘sheep’ are going to say, ‘Master, what are you talking about? When did we ever see you hungry and feed you, thirsty and give you a drink? And when did we ever see you sick or in prison and come to you?’ Then the King will say, ‘I’m telling the solemn truth: Whenever you did one of these things to someone overlooked or ignored, that was me—you did it to me.’”

    I think this was one of the Bible stories we were taught in Sunday School during my youth. What are they teaching these days? CON’s statement is just wrong.

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  52. Several posts and comments say that TM is an ex-cop.
    Anyone know under what circumstances he left the force?
    I live near Los Angeles, and LAPD has had problems for a long time.

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  53. There really is no reasoning with the likes of Miano. The latest trend out of the HCWCC (Hateful Calvinist West Coast Crew), seems to be direct insults, like. “Hey, blasphemer and liar, repent and believe the gospel. He forgets the “and such were some of you” and the fact that he still does sin, daily, and on Twitter for everyone to see.

    People don’t hate the gospel Tony….well…yes they do, but we’ll never know with these people because its you that they can’t stand in this case, not the Gospel. You are a royal jerk to just about anyone who disagrees with you on anything, and even worse to unbelievers.

    Tony Miano, in my opinion, is a wimp with a martyr complex. Instead of at least having the kahunas of an Islamic extremist who proudly straps a bomb on his chest and dies as a “martyr”, he hides behind a Twitter account, or a group of street “preachers” with cameras. He chooses to create a faux martyrdom by being so dang proud of himself for ticking everyone off, while claiming that he’s just some poor soldier proclaiming the Gospel and being on the receiving end of abuse.

    John MacArthur, Phil Johnson, GCC, I blame you, again, for the ridiculous activities of Miano. If he is still a member of your church, where is the discipline you Calvinists love to talk about? Reign him in.

    Of course, these harsh words, in his view, make me not saved. Its the same old ridiculous logic of, “You disagree with me and my interpretation of what it means to preach the gospel, so you must worship a different Jesus than me and therefore aren’t saved. Only hateful Calvinists and a few ignorant others who don’t call me out are truly saved.”

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  54. To be fair to Phil Johnson…from his FB page..2 hours ago.

    “A couple of recent incidents compel me to say this:

    Romans 12:15 says, “Weep with those who weep.” The immediate context is about how we should treat unbelievers, including overtly hostile unbelievers. Natural disasters, funerals, memorial services, and other times of grief are not appropriate times for strangers to stand on the sidelines with a megaphone and broadcast a message of damnation. That’s the spirit of Westboro, not the Spirit of God”

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  55. jkpvarin,

    Romans 10:13
    For all who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

    Let me add one more thing to that:

    Genesis 4:26
    And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

    Ed

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  56. Phil Johnson does NOT know how to put out fires (settling things down), when he states things in his tweet (fire extinguisher) the following:

    “…including overtly hostile unbelievers…”

    The fire just had a reflash. What a nut case. All of them.

    Ed

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  57. It seems the Calvinists can’t decide how to handle this. Kudos to Phil Johnston for appealing to Romans 12:15. However, others are siding with Tony, as Calvinist and Pulpit & Pen contributor/blogger Landon Chapman has just posted: http://entreatingfavor.com/support-brother-tony-miano/ Landon says Tony’s twitter comments were the “very epitome of love”. If that’s love, why can’t those poor devastated people all the way over in Nepal feel it?

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  58. @ Headless Unicorn Guy April 27, 2015 @ 1:38 PM

    “Several posts and comments say that TM is an ex-cop.
    Anyone know under what circumstances he left the force?
    I live near Los Angeles, and LAPD has had problems for a long time.”

    He felst god calling him to plant a church and go to seminary. He worked for the LASD for thirteen years 1987-2000 (although he likes to say he is a twenty year vet) quit in 2000, decided to plant a church and attend The Masters (did not graduate and quit), signed on to be a volunteer reserve with the LASD and police chaplain for 7 years.
    http://www.police-writers.com/miano.html

    He did start a church (in 2000). I am not sure where it met, but it did not appear to last long. It was called Pico Canyon Comm church. Sermons on SermonCentral.

    Tony Miano Pico Canyon Community Church
    *other, Pastor/Minister

    About me:
    Pico Canyon Community Church is a new church plant (Oct. 2000) serving the Valencia and Stevenson Ranch communities, in the Santa Clarita Valley (southern California). The mission of Pico Canyon is to glorify God through the clear and practical teaching of His Word and through worship that is focused solely on Him; and to reach the families of our community with the gospel of Jesus Christ through a caring, gifted community of believers who are committed to raising up disciples, leaders, and churches both here and abroad.

    Prior to entering the ministry full-time, Pastor Tony served as a deputy sheriff for Los Angeles County for thirteen years. He worked a variety of assignments, including field training officer and as a gang investigator. He continues to serve as a reserve deputy and as the chaplain for the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station.

    Pastor Tony is presently a student at The Master’s Seminary in southern California.

    Pastor Tony Miano and his wife, Mahria, have been married for 15 years. Together, they have three daughters — Michelle, Marissa, and Amanda. [less]

    http://www.sermoncentral.com/contributors/tony-miano-sermons-2173.asp

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  59. Well, that was interesting. Phil Johnson removed the comment from his Facebook page. You can follow the conversation if you click on the 1hr on the upper right-hand side of the tweet.

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  60. Yes Julie the crazy runs strong with young sky walker, trust me he knew it would raise a ruckus and that is what it is suppose to do. His “~oh I want to see souls saved~”, barf. the only souls he wants to save are those on his shoes.

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  61. Yes JA it works. I don’t know which comment you are referencing…his FB post or a comment someone made under it? I still see Johnson’s post on his FB page.

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  62. I wonder what damage he has done to those (and I know some) who are working in the country of Nepal trying to love and win the people there with the Gospel. Translating the Word of God and just being friends with the local people. It can sometimes take a lfetime to win even one to know Jesus. And there are some believers there. What if some of them were injured or killed. Where is the compassion?

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  63. Julie Anne,

    Well, Johnson hasn’t quite called us bitter yet but saying what this blog does is worse than Miano is pretty close! 😀 🙂

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  64. Hmm. My HTML did not work in my previous post. I had blockquotes going on, and an ahref tag and everything.

    Johnson denies that his Facebook post is about Miano exclusively, if at all.

    He said to someone else in the conversation:
    Johnson comment on Facebook

    Christine Bauer:
    I purposely didn’t say anything about Tony. As I mentioned, this is a response to more than one recent incident, involving different individuals. What concerns me here is a matter of principle. There is no possible biblical justification for the increasingly common strategy of capturing public attention by doing or saying things that taunt or purposely provoke people who are in mourning.

    There is “a time to keep silence, and a time to speak” (Ecclesiastes 3:7).

    Let’s discuss that principle, and for the time being, leave personalities out of it. This is my FaceBook post, and that’s my rule, starting now.

    [Mod note: I added the quote from your earlier comment (now deleted). I think everything else is fine – ja]

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  65. First off you have no right to be offended if TOUGH talking Tony has blocked you !
    That is an honor that many aspire to, a distinction that your intellectual horsepower exceeds poor tony’s coping skills, so he has to bail out like the true sissy boy he is and hide.

    I wonder what will happen when something happens to someone in Tony’s family, a car wreck, cancer whatever. Will that be a judgment from God too ?

    A church I attended years ago had this wackadoo that would run around claiming everything was a judgment from God. Someone’s kid fell down and needed stitches, ” ITS GODDDDD judging your household” ! You have a car wreck ( including when a drunk driver slammed into me) GOD’s JUDGEMENT! A young lady’s fiancé decided that she was not appropriate for him and ended it. The dummy actually told her to repent of coveting marriage and the break up was God’s judgment. Then the wackadoo got serious hemroids that required surgery ( she actually got up and asked for prayer for her condition). Many people said , well God’s judgment.

    Me , I just knew she was a pain in the butt.

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  66. When Jesus referred to a strikingly similar disaster, the collapsing of a tower which killed many, He went out of His way to tell His audience that this was not the judgment of God.

    – Who cares what Jesus said? Doesn’t further Miano’s agenda.

    Peter told us to always be willing to give an answer to any who wants to know about our hope in Jesus, but to do so with gentleness and respect.

    – Who cares what Peter said? Doesn’t further Miano’s agenda.

    Even though he gets on my nerves, I like Ray Comfort and frankly think he’s for the most part furthering the Kingdom of God. But Miano, it’s as if he latched on to all of the bad and took with him none of the good.

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  67. Phil Johnson’s response to you, JA, is asinine almost beyond belief.

    Miano is a public figure, making public tweets that are getting national attention for the perusal of the public throughout the country. So Johnson ridicules YOU for stating that a public response should be forthcoming? Let Mr. Johnson tell that to Jesus, Paul, John, Peter, etc. etc. who repeatedly made public denunciations of people who’d done some very bad things in the public sphere. Let Johnson take it up with Jesus, who apparently quite often believed this was an appropriate measure/
    .
    Attitudes like his are the reason that churches, including most likely his, are hemorrhaging members worldwide and will continue to do so until they promote justice and accountability for ill-behaving leaders.

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  68. Interesting how he claims that discipline shouldn’t be played out on Facebook. Every time these guys don’t like something that someone says, they viciously attack via social media and deny that their beef with them should kept private under the principle that if one sins publicly, it needs to be addressed publicly.

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  69. Larry, you’re right. But notice how they call out people publicly, but when it’s one of their own, it’s different.

    This is a pretty big deal. I’ve searched “Tony Miano” on Twitter, just to see where the responses are from. Each time I’ve checked, there have been scores and scores of recent comments, and people are angry: https://twitter.com/search?q=tony%20miano&src=typd&vertical=news&f=tweets

    This anger is not only in our country, but worldwide – and rightly so. His remark affected people in another nation. So, if Miano is going to claim that he is under GCC’s authority, then GCC needs to speak up publicly about their church member. It seems that GCC would want to protect their reputation at a time like this.

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  70. @Larry:

    Interesting how he claims that discipline shouldn’t be played out on Facebook. Every time these guys don’t like something that someone says, they viciously attack via social media and deny that their beef with them should kept private under the principle that if one sins publicly, it needs to be addressed publicly.

    Just another coat of paint for “What’s Yours is Mine and What’s Mine is MINE!”

    And as for what started this thread, every time there’s a disaster some ManaGAWD (whom God has on speshul speed-dial) always shoots off his mouth about it — Pat Robinson, Flutterhands Piper — why should this time be any different?

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  71. @Diane:

    Ohhhh that comment. Wonder why he took it down? 🙂 How dare the peasants demand anything from the “leaders.”

    Don’t you know the Lowborn’s only reason for existence is the enrichment and convenience of their Highborn betters?

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  72. @Diane:

    Prior to entering the ministry full-time, Pastor Tony served as a deputy sheriff for Los Angeles County for thirteen years. He worked a variety of assignments, including field training officer and as a gang investigator. He continues to serve as a reserve deputy and as the chaplain for the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station.

    First of all, a rookie LA sheriff’s first assignment is guard in LA County Jail, which gives them an Us-vs-THEM prison guard attitude. (Or until they develop a proper Us-vs-THEM attitude.)

    And notice the highlighted part about “continues to serve as reserve deputy and police chaplain”. Where have we seen this pattern before? Hint: Bob Greiner (Calvary Chapel Visalia), ToJo, and “The Code of Blue”.

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  73. @HUG~

    “First of all, a rookie LA sheriff’s first assignment is guard in LA County Jail, which gives them an Us-vs-THEM prison guard attitude. (Or until they develop a proper Us-vs-THEM attitude.)”

    Miano did that duty. He had a post (which I can no longer find since he did a scorched earth i-net article removal a year or more ago) where he described how he and the other guards used to “harass” the inmates for fun. When Miano became a Christian, he relayed how he could not partake in that endeavor any longer. O_O

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  74. @ Julie Anne~

    “This anger is not only in our country, but worldwide – and rightly so. His remark affected people in another nation. So, if Miano is going to claim that he is under GCC’s authority, then GCC needs to speak up publicly about their church member. It seems that GCC would want to protect their reputation at a time like this.”

    I honestly don’t think GCC/JMac/whoever gives Miano a second thought much less a first. Miano is not a “minister” there, as Phil puts it, and Miano’s “ministry” is not endorsed, funded, promoted nor overseen by his home church GCC, which has got to look bad for Miano since he writes about the importance having home church support/oversight for OA preaching and all (but that home church support requirement must be for all the other OA preachers, not him).

    I had to smh at Miano’s tweet and what Phil wrote on his FB post about Westboro-

    Tony Miano @TonyMiano
    · 42m 42 minutes ago
    .WBCBecky For those comparing me to the Westboro Cult….they hate me, too. 🙂

    Phil Johnson FB quote:

    “Natural disasters, funerals, memorial services, and other times of grief are not appropriate times for strangers to stand on the sidelines with a megaphone and broadcast a message of damnation. That’s the spirit of Westboro, not the Spirit of God.”

    (Phil…please say you don’t hate Tony…I could not bear it if you did.) Of course, Phil was quick to deny his post was about anyone in particular,,,riiiiiight. It’s just one big ordained by God coincidence that he wrote that FB post after Miano’s tweets. lol.
    Oh Phil, you try to be so so tricky…but try harder, ok?

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