How Influential Was Doug Phillips and His Teachings?

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Taking a look at Doug Phillips’ strong influence in the Homeschool Movement and Family-Integrated Church movement

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For people outside of the Homeschool Movement or Christian Patriarchy, they may wonder how Doug Phillips could be so influential.  It’s not just about Phillips, the head of an organization/business/pastor, it’s about Phillips who pushed an agenda onto the Christian homeschooling community in a very powerful and compelling way.

As I was researching the history of family-integrated churches and National Center for Family-Integrated Churches (NFCIC), the organization founded by Doug Phillips, now run by Scott Brown, I stumbled across an article which is no longer online, but can be accessed through the Wayback Machine.  While reading the comments, one particular commenter brought me instantly back to what it felt like listening to speakers like Phillips at homeschool conventions.

I wanted you to get an idea of the intensity of this guy.   This kind of tone and demeanor was prevalent in the Homeschool Movement at every homeschool convention I ever attended (in four different states).  In the excerpts, the commenter, Ryan Glick, is defending homeschooling and family-integrated churches.  He refers to Doug Phillips’ teachings.  But first, here is some personal background information Glick provided:

To Shawn, and to all those who have commented above, I have been a part of family-integrated churches for the last 10 years at least. I have served in the National Center for Family-Integrated Churches (NCFIC) and have been indirectly involved with Vision Forum Ministries over the last two and a half years. I was also a member of Hope Baptist church for over two years where Scott Brown, the director of the NCFIC, is an elder, and I currently am a member of a very recent church plant of Hope Baptist where Scott is still a standing elder until the plant is complete.

And here’s one more bit of personal background information:

So where was I schooled? At home. I never attended a public school or a Christian school and I praise God and thank my parents that that is the case. I wouldn’t want it any other way. And in case you were wondering, I’ll be home schooling my own children! :).

The following is just one excerpt of many comments.   The comment was long, so I added paragraphs for easier reading and bolded key points.

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Ryan Glick says:

Robert: In reference to your last comment about Doug Phillips praying for all Christians to be homeschooling and in family-integrated churches, I could not agree with him more. To put this very bluntly lest anyone misunderstand where I as a [sic] individual stand on this issue: sending your child to a public school is wicked and rebellion against the clear commands of God.

Some may be ignorant and not in wanton rebellion, but that does not make them in compliance with the Lord’s commands. Those who utilize public education are sacrificing their children on the altar of a false god, blaspheming the most high God, teaching these children to walk contrary to the true and the living God, and defiling them with the most corrupt moral degradations of society.

God has explicitly commanded fathers to raise up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, to teach them day in and day out all the commands of God and that the Lord our God is One Lord. He has declared that there is no wisdom or light in any who reject the Word of the Lord: “The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?” He has called every spirit that does not declare Jesus Christ to have come in the flesh the spirit of anti-Christ. He says that all who deny the record that God bear of his Son make God out to be a liar. That is blasphemy against our Lord and King!

God has said that those who pervert morality and follow after strange flesh do so because they have refused to glorify God as God. We make the issue of education out to be a [sic] issue of Christian liberty, but those who send their children to the public Schools must realize that they are giving their children to people who are the children of Satan, to people who teach the doctrines of devils, to people that God has called dogs and whoremongers, to people who will not inherit eternal life. They are sending their children to be trained by the spirit of anti-Christ in to the abominations of the heathen.

Upon what basis shall I as a Christian not plead with God that He would awaken parents from their slumber so that they would immediately pull their children out of these God-hating, devil-worshiping institutions? Does not the love of Christ and the love of our neighbor wrench our heart so that we can do nothing less? And if throwing our children in to age-segmented societies where they are being trained by their foolish peer groups provides the same corrupting influence upon children, should I also not plead with God to plant family-integrated churches that preach the Word in season and out of season, and who worship God (not the family) in spirit and in truth?

I will conclude by answering your final question: Does this reflect the great commission which requires us to go into all the world, making disciples and teaching them to obey all things He has commanded? Absolutely! These are merely the manifestations of the gospel lived out. The gospel presents the love of God and the love of our fellow man. No biblical love for God or man will ever send a child to a public school to be trained by those who hate God.

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So, essentially, those who homeschool and believe the above to be true, believe everyone else is sending their kids to Satan.  It immediately sets apart the us vs them in Christian communities.  The homeschooling, family-integrated folks are doing it the right way, everyone else is not.

Side note:  This homeschool mom is wanting to remind Mr. Glick’s homeschool teacher about proper use of articles, “an” vs “a.”  My evil-government school taught me that.

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177 comments on “How Influential Was Doug Phillips and His Teachings?

  1. “*All* schools teach religion. I know that some education is considered “non-religious” according to American legal definitions, but the fact is that education is inherently religious. It is based on some view of ultimate reality, either explicit or (more often) implicit. All education is based on one faith or another. Even science is impossible apart from faith. It rests upon assumptions which ultimately are believed by faith.”

    TIA, Just some food for thought. Christianity is NOT a religion. That is starting with a fundamentally wrong premise. It negates everything Jesus Christ was about. Christianity is a “relationship” of reconciliation with Yahweh, the one True God through Jesus Christ, God in the Flesh..

    Christianity is not a simple “set of beliefs”. It is a relationship with a LIVING SAVIOR that shines through in our every day lives.

    We tend to want to teach a “syllabus” Jesus of the creeds which as right “beliefs” but it misses out on a real intimate relationship with our Savior and our kingdom living here and now.

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  2. “Without well funded public education, we would have more people without the ability to make a living, more poor people trying to get food to feed themselves and their inevitable children. And given the choice between starvation and crime, I know what a loving parent will do. So defunding the public schools would result in more tax dollars for more prisons. It costs much less to educate a child in the public school system than to house that child as either a juvenile or adult offender, plus the loss to the community, and the cost of courts, prosecutors, and law enforcement. Education is a much less expensive means for the society to accomplish the goals of “promoting the general welfare” as stated in our founding documents as a country.”

    ALL people, no matter what their economic status, should have a choice in education. Vouchers would not have to defund public schools unless they are so bad parents would never choose them. In fact, my guess is many public schools in some areas would become the choice for many parents.

    Promoting the general welfare does not mean the citizen cannot have a choice.

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  3. Does anyone know why so many female teachers, some middle-aged, are having sexual contact with their students? I can’t read Daily Mail without seeing a new story about this phenomenon.

    Re: Gothard: He is a common denominator for several spiritually abusive groups. Does anyone know where he got his ideas? Please bear with me if you have seen me ask this question under other posts. I just think that Gothard had to get his ideas from somewhere.

    TIA and others: the government-funded schools have loads of problems. I agree that a religiously/ideologically neutral curriculum is impossible.

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  4. “Does anyone know why so many female teachers, some middle-aged, are having sexual contact with their students? I can’t read Daily Mail without seeing a new story about this phenomenon.”

    Yes, I know. Every week it seems there’s another story like this in the news. I know some homeschooling fathers from my former “church” who molested their own daughters, and one married father of two who molested his niece. These stories just don’t make the national news.

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  5. “Does anyone know why so many female teachers, some middle-aged, are having sexual contact with their students? I can’t read Daily Mail without seeing a new story about this phenomenon.”

    As opposed to male teachers? The ratio is still much smaller except it tends to be more sensational to the press. They are animals and deserve to be locked up. So why aren’t they as a rule? The one caught here has her kids in a “Christian school”, attends church and was put on leave and terminiated. She will get her pension because she taught long enough to be vested. Same for many male teachers. Or they become ‘saved” after being caught.

    “Re: Gothard: He is a common denominator for several spiritually abusive groups. Does anyone know where he got his ideas? Please bear with me if you have seen me ask this question under other posts. I just think that Gothard had to get his ideas from somewhere.”

    Satan? :o)

    “TIA and others: the government-funded schools have loads of problems. I agree that a religiously/ideologically neutral curriculum is impossible.”

    All “ideology” is “religous” because it is a “set of beliefs”. Athiests are “relgious”, too. Marxists are religious. Socialists are religious. Free market captialists are religious. They have a set of beleifs on how things should work. And it is good and right we debate the merit of the beliefs. I happen to think the relgion that gives us humans as much choice, freedom and responsibility is best.

    Guys, I really have a heart for this. Christianity is NOT a religion. It is a relationship. It is much more than a set of beliefs (the demons believe and tremble). It is active and real. It changes us. It is a pure love relationship with a LIVING SAVIOR that we abide in. Who lives in us. (that does not make us doormats, or smiley face fakes, or those who follow human guru’s either)

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  6. Re: female teachers having sex with students.

    I am not at all surprised. As I’ve mentioned before, this is accepted at teachers’ colleges. Yes, they teach in class that it is wrong, but they still credential students who think it is okay. Their actions speak louder than their words.

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  7. Some teachers have sex with their students. Some homeschool parents have sex with their children or other’s children. I’m afraid this is one area where neither side is going to trump the other.

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  8. Keith, the articles appear because people read them. This ‘appears’ to be something new and people look at the pictures of the women, some quite attractive, some married, and wonder why they are resorting to having sex with minors (with the false assumption that targeting minors wouldn’t be those women’s first choice).

    What we don’t know us whether this is a new phenomenon. Some crimes are, like women abducting and killing another woman in late pregnancy to take the baby and pretend to have given birth. But some crimes have always existed and been covered up. Did the same percentage of women teachers do this in the past and was it overlooked by people thinking that the male victim had ‘gotten lucky’? Are we now seeing arrests because we now understand that adults exploiting children and teens for sex is a damaging betrayal, regardless of gender? I don’t know.

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  9. Sunday schools were initially started (by Christians) to teach basic skills to poor, uneducated youths. There is no reason (apart from government intervention) that such would not happen again if public schools were closed down. As it is, many individuals and companies invest in education because it is in their best interests. Such investments would only increase if public schools (and the taxes associated with them) were abolished.

    As it is, charter schools prove that the existing public school system is wasteful. How is it that charter schools and private schools can provide better education than public schools at lower costs? Because they have financial incentives to do so. This is similar to the case of USPS vs. UPS/FedEx. Only the government can lose money on a monopoly business!

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  10. Yes, sex with students is definitely not limited to male/female, public school/private school/homeschool. It’s a big problem all around.

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  11. Keith, I don’t know where Gothard got all if his ideas, but Recovering Grace presents some persuasive evidence that some of them such as ‘giving a good report/the defilement of listening to an evil report’ and ‘rediscovering a forgotten truth’ (where he essentially argues for covering up sin in the church) are designed to cover up his own wrong doing.

    The second teaching is particularly fascinating because he gives an example of a mother finding a suggestive letter to her teen son from the young pastor’s wife. He says that she should only speak to her son, not her own husband, the pastor, the youth pastor or the youth pastor’s wife. Mind boggling!!!

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  12. Marsha: Thanks for the heads up re: Gothard. I find him extremely creepy. “Rediscovering a lost truth…” and similar notions are always a red flag for me.

    Re: Female School teachers, my view is that the prevalence has increased. The “why” is a mystery. i am sure it has always occurred.

    As i read more about these spiritual abusers/sexual abusers it is frankly depressing. Stick a fork in us on the Christian side of the alleged culture war. We are done, and to a crisp. Subverted from within the ranks, relentlessly attacked from outside them. Just about every institution I have believed in and supported is gone. The social left and the secularisers have won almost every battle. Sexual, political and moral chaos reigns.

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  13. “Stick a fork in us on the Christian side of the alleged culture war. We are done, and to a crisp. Subverted from within the ranks, relentlessly attacked from outside them. Just about every institution I have believed in and supported is gone.”

    Welcome to SSB! 🙂
    Seriously, the reason many of us are here is because of our bad experience within the ranks of Christianity. Some leave the faith altogether, some leave the institutional church, and some are just speaking out about their experiences. All is not lost. Blogs like this are having an impact where change is necessary.

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  14. “It costs much less to educate a child in the public school system than to house that child as either a juvenile or adult offender, plus the loss to the community, and the cost of courts, prosecutors, and law enforcement.”

    True. But why are we housing criminals anyway? That is not a biblical justice system. Biblical justice requires restitution. If anything, criminals should be the ones funding prisons, not law abiding citizens. Prisons are another government racket. Follow the money!

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/prisoners-rights-criminal-law-reform/happy-birthday-corrections-corporation-america-thirty
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/joe-wright/a-predatory-system-invested-in-slavery/

    Lest you all think I am hardhearted, please know that I care very much for children and their education. I would not be at all opposed to voluntarily supporting some sort of “common school” for children whose parents cannot afford to pay for a basic education themselves. In fact, I already do exactly that…for a child in South America! But it is a basic education that I agree with, one that includes God.

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  15. Beenthere: I have had a mostly positive experience within Christianity. i have been a Lutheran in a Presbyterian church for years, because there are no LCMS or WELS churches where I live.

    I won’t leave Christianity. It is not Jesus’ fault that things are the way they are. But i think I will take a break from these blogs. Despair is not my strong suit.

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  16. “But i think I will take a break from these blogs. Despair is not my strong suit.”

    It’s not really my strong suit either. I just wasn’t given much of a choice. Now I have to work through these things.
    Thank you for the conversation. I appreciate your willingness to hear our stories.

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  17. Keith, I suspect you are right about an increase in female teacher sexual abuse of students. I have a theory about that. I think that the causes of a sexual interest in children (pedophilia) and one in minor teens (ephebophila) are very different. I think that pedophiles are wired differently whereas ephebophiles start out normally and fail to develop. Young people go through puberty at much earlier ages than say a century ago at because of improved nutrition (although hormones in meat may have some role these days). I think some people have always gotten stuck in the period where their sexuality really begins to develop but now it isn’t at or even close to adulthood, it is years before. If you listen to some of these teachers in interviews, they sound exactly like adolescent girls, talking about how the boy was the first one to indicate that he ‘liked’ her and talking about themselves as a girlfriend, using early teen slang, etc. I’ve heard interviews with male teachers that sound similar, talking about true love, soulmates, etc. They don’t seem to have matured much beyond fifteen.

    I suspect Gothard’s problem is that he never developed beyond adolescent sexuality either.

    Of course there are also men who exploit adolescent girls through power differentials not because they prefer adolescents to adult women ( they aren’t ephebophiles) but because they are opportunistic predators in a position to find vulnerable girls. This doesn’t seem to be the situation with the female teachers because they have easier access to adult men; female abusers seem to fall into the ephebophile category almost exclusively.

    This is just my theory; more data is needed!

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  18. Marsha: That is an interesting theory. I had never thought about the way the Defendants in these cases speak.

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  19. There are many reasons to homeschool.

    Personally my experience in public schools varied from horrible and abusive to merely acceptable. If your experience is different I am glad for you. I am trying to avoid the horrible and surge past the average that I experienced.

    I have one child that is special needs at the moment (severe dyslexia) and two that are exceptional. It has been a blessing to be able contour the curriculum to my children’s needs.

    Just because we homeschool does not mean that we are shutting out the world. My children play with neighbors and are on community sports teams.

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  20. Christie, as I repeat often, the fringe gives everyone else a bad name.

    People often also miss the concept that each child is unique, and they may do well in one setting but not in another.

    After public school, I loved the ACE curriculum for high school, but it prepared me very well for what I wanted to do. My husband started out in chemical engineering and had slots offered to him from Ivy League schools in his field. That NEVER would have happened for him if he had not attended public school. His parents didn’t have the resources or the ability to send him to private school, and they didn’t have the expertise to foster him at home at a level that he needed and in the area of his interest. It was the best choice for him, but not for me.

    I would venture that if your hit the ceiling on what you could do within homeschooling, you would be duty bound to seek out another choice to meet the needs of your children, either due to style or content. Many people are not willing to do this.

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  21. You’re right, Christie. There are some homeschooling parents who isolate their children, others do a good job of balancing. There’s such a wide spectrum of homeschoolers.

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  22. “There are some homeschooling parents who isolate their children, others do a good job of balancing.”

    The same is true of many public school (and private school) students. Some are very isolated/sheltered from the real world, but perhaps in different ways than homeschoolers. They are certainly isolated from Christian viewpoints on many issues (not necessarily in all or even most cases, but certainly in significant numbers).

    One example of public school “isolation” is the higher education bubble. If students had truly received a good basic education, would so many of them have taken on massive student debt only to graduate without any job prospects? I don’t think so. But that is what the system encourages. I’m not saying that higher education is wrong. Just that many public school students have blindly followed a system without being exposed to other options.

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  23. Julie Anne:

    “And I can imagine him singing with them, too 🙂 I wonder if He was tenor or bass?”

    According to “Jesus Christ Superstar”, Jesus sang soprano. 😛

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  24. Posted elsewhere *full disclaimer* I am a patriarchist. That being said, public school is not a sin. We homeschool because we believe we can best educate our children accademically and religiously. However we send them to public preschool and kindergarten. The sin is not the nature of your educational plan. The sin is not having one.

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