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Impostor "True" BGBC Survivors Blog Site Created by Suing Pastor Chuck O’Neal

Just when I thought I had seen it all, there is a new twist in the Beaverton Grace Bible Church (BGBC) saga with Pastor Chuck O’Neal – you remember, the pastor who sued me and 4 others for $500K for defamation.  Ya know, us moms always know when our kids are up to no good when things are too quiet around the house.  Well, things have been a little too quiet around here and the kids have been caught.  The kids aka Pastor Chuck O’Neal and “those with him” have created a blog using the domain name bgbcsurvivors.org.  They are calling themselves True BGBC Survivors.  Who or what have they survived?  Us – the ones they sued.  HAHAHAHAHA  I’m sorry, I can’t help myself sometimes and I must find some humor in this somewhere.


How did I find out about this new blog?  This morning, I received an e-mail from a reader mentioning “scripted videos”.  I asked for clarification and was told about the comment from Anonymous.   Here are the screenshots: 



Beyond the initial laugh about the idea of a man who calls himself a pastor and church members being afraid of two moms and beginning an impostor blog, the reality is that spiritual abuse still continues.  I’ve spent a long time on this blog talking about signs of spiritual abuse.  When (if) you go to the impostor site, I think my brilliant readers will be able to spot some clear signs. 

I’m sure you’ve seen children’s coloring books with hidden pictures, right?



I thought it might be a good test of our spiritual abuse detective skills to use that same concept and attempt to “find the wolf” or signs of spiritual abuse on the Impostor Blog.  But wait!!!  Let me give you some clues:   a master manipulator will suck people in emotionally – they do that by providing information that invokes an emotional response.  If you are able to separate yourself from that emotional tug, you will be able to more clearly see behavioral issues abusers use – the same behavioral issues that identify a:



WOLF!!!!!




I need to cut this short.  Tonight I’ll be singing at a Christmas performance.  I am praising God that He has revealed His truth to me, that His love never fails,  that God does not bully us around, but his slow to anger and rich in love.  




* * * * Update 12/14/12:  Deb of The Wartburg Watch blog has done an article on this recent BGBC situation here:  (click on title)

Chuck O’Neal’s Church Launches ‘True BGBC Survivors’ Website



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196 thoughts on “Impostor "True" BGBC Survivors Blog Site Created by Suing Pastor Chuck O’Neal”

  1. I'm not sure I've ever publicly discussed domain names. I can't remember. I have talked about changing the blog name shortly before the court hearing and a number of times later. Thanks for that information about the .net domain and Stephanie's involvement (and thank you for not posting her address/e-mail here, even though it is apparently public).

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  2. Why would our hostess delete Anonmymous' comment? Laying aside any issue of content, the commentor continues to disrespect Julie Anne's request to refrain from posting Anonymously. That's the bottom line, for me, the commentor refuses to respect the minimal requirement for entry into this conversation. Get a name, any pseudonym will do, and stop acting like a troll! fwiw, here's the link to the emails from Meaghan to Chuck where she, on Nov 10, 2008, expresses her anger that he will not take correction, and that she no longer regards him as her pastor. In an email on Nov 26, 2008 she again cries out to Chuck: "please just stop this — make it stop!" She continues her earnest pleas with: "you say you know God's love — and yet we are being spiritually raped…"There you have it. Someone who both loves and knows Chuck well characterized him as a spiritual rapist. Apparently, this was private information that Chuck is now revealing to the world in an attempt to help his case? http://www.bgbcsurvivors.org/wp-content/uploads/meaghan-varela-emails-june-nov.pdf

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  3. I know it came up somewhere in the comments about having a blog versus ones own website- the benefits, restrictions and such.Any domain name information is public knowledge. Some people pay extra to have their name, address and phone kept private. But you can still find when it was created, the info revised & when it expires if not renewed. There are a number of sites that give the information. I had to dig a little on the other two domains.

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  4. I believe that I may have found a source of potential confusion while I was conducting some background research. Here are the dates of domain creation, according to Whois:bcbcsurvivors.com was created April 17, 2012; Registrant = Chuck ONealbgbcsurvivors.net was created April 17, 2012; Registrant = Chuck ONealbgbcsurvivors.org was created April 18, 2012; Registrant = Chuck ONealbgbcsurvivors.com was created May 13, 2012; Registrant = Domain Privacy GroupIf that appears confusing, because you can't have two domains with the exact same name, it’s probably from the same misreading that I did the first time I looked through these. The original dot com version (first domain created on April 17) was bCbcsurvivors, not bGbcsurvivors. The bGbcsurvivors appears to have been created and registered privately on May 15 to cover for the typo of the first one.So, I think that helps explain some of the initiation dates, and thanks Lois for finding details on when registry updates were made.

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  5. Oops. Another typo. The b-G-bcsurvivors dot com blog was created on May 13, not May 15 as I accidentally mistyped in the next to last paragraph. Human errors. Happen all the time to all of us.

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  6. Julie Anne, why do you even waste your time with such foolish behavior? It is obvious to any sane human being that this church and pastor have some serious issues. However, the sad reality is that they think they are right in what they are doing and I assure you there is nothing you can say or do that will convince them otherwise. (been there done that) If what you exposed was not true, his church would be growing and flourishing, less your family and the others he sued. That must not be the case since he thinks the Christmas season is a good time to bash other human beings.What a tragedy taking place in today's churches, is it no wonder people are leaving in droves. I can't imagine someone checking out this church's blog and say "I think I would like to be a part of that Christian movement!" Chuck, what in the world are you thinking??? Do you really think REAL Christians are going to rally around a pastor whose mouth is filled with hate and criticism and then tape your poor wife crying because of the abuse? My question to you: was she crying and you ran and got the camera or did you set up the camera then have her start crying? My guess is the latter because I was really hard pressed to see any tears. What husband in his right mind would use his wife in front of maybe thousands of people in such a way only to vindicate himself. What are you hoping for – one of the major networks to pick your story up? It's not going to happen. I have to assume because you are a Pastor (as I stratch my head) that you prayed about this before you took this action and God told you this was what you needed to do? Even if everything you said was true (again I scratch my head), have you ever run across the scripture where God said that vengeance is His? Does someone really need to explain to you what that means? Why don't you focus on what time of the year it is, swallow your pride and spread some Christmas cheer. Sending Meaghan and Julie Anne a nice Christmas card would have had way more positive effect on you and your family than what you did and continue to do.

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  7. Thanks for your information, Brad. This is all very interesting. Tell me – – what kind of pastor basically copies a blog name? It seems obvious this would be an intent to draw my readers to his blog. But anyway, what kind of a pastor begins a blog to call out former church members? This is all kinds of crazy from a Christian and secular standpoint. And now we know he has been stewing about it for months. One of the videos was taped just a couple months after the court hearing. This was a well thought out plan. When I think of pastor's blogs, I think of Ken's or Craig'. These men have the heart of shepherds. They care about people's souls. The evidence is so plain, isn't it?

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  8. Raymond – I don't think there is anything I can do that will challenge Chuck or his followers. But I will keep speaking out about abuse. I'm going to go off on a tangent a bit – I share my story and the stories of others because sometimes plain English just doesn't sink in. Sometimes we emotionally connect to a personal story. That's what happened with me at another blog and why I love when people share their stories with me. I've told you and mentioned on the blog before that when I read your story, I sobbed. It never would have impacted me if someone just told me factual information of what had happened to you. Sometimes it takes that emotional connection or God just opening eyes for people to see the truth.Raymond – Your story still gets a lot of hits and as you know, there were a bunch of new hits this last week. The story of spiritual abuse destroying a marriage is not discussed much. I know it doesn't take away your pain, but I know that people are reading your story and hopefully your tragic story will help people realize they are not alone. Having that feeling of being the only one can be very scary. Thank you again for your vulnerability in sharing such a difficult story. I still pray for you!

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  9. Julie Anne @7:45am -I don't understand the lengths that Chuck is going to to validate himself and his decisions. I can't imagine the family with the abused children continuing to put their family in these positions. I don't understand making videos. Do they not understand the effect that this will have on their children in the future? It really boggles my mind. It is quite sad for the children who were abused. They will deal with consequences of all of this for a long time. I pray that God heals them and that their parents start making decisions that show love for their children and not misplaced commitment to this church and pastor. Thanks for all you are doing Julie Anne.

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  10. 12/2 was a Sunday, 12/11 was a Tuesday. Wonder what the message was in church on 12/9?I wonder how many members of the congregation he called Monday night and Tuesday morning when he wasn't getting any comments on the blog?

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  11. Truthseeker says: December 14, 2012 at 1:07 pm Taken from BGBS SurvivorsSo a news article I read today said a contractor in Virginia is accused of stealing jewelry by an angry woman leaving YELP reviews and wins ($750K?) but a Pastor is accused of gross sex/child abuse stuff in reviews and his suit is denied a hearing. Nice America, real nice.That's because a Pastor supposed to SUE!!! It Goes against Scripture but you people just don't get it!!!

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  12. I know, wallflower. It's hard to wrap your head around this kind of thing, isn't it? You know what's strange? Every single picture I have seen of me while attending that church, even at a wedding, I look like a zombie – like the life was being sucked from me. I believe it really was.

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  13. Hey, Julie Anne, I have a couple of questions about BGBC.I looked over their site, watched videos and read comments. Do people at BGBC really talk like this? really write comments like this? I mean in general. What I saw and read was a highly dramatized and emotionally charged use of superlatives and absolutes in describing their situation and the party on the other side. And it was bad drama at that. Are these people real?"In all my years of being a Christian…I have never seen a better example of tares among the wheat than that of Julie Anne Smith and Meaghan Varella.""Almost worse than lying about the church was how this woman would craft her lies to match her audience.""This woman, Julie Anne Smith, left our church in the fall of 2008, and was involved with a group who tried to rip our church apart!""We must warn the church that these people have not been and will not be a blessing to any church they attend.""Our church has been too silent on this entire issue too long, while Julie Anne and her faithful minions have spewed lies and hate for years!""I would be trembling in fear of God if I were them.""Then there are the non-Lordship heretics, all the rage today, who believe you can continue in sin and God’s grace is big enough to cover you.""Pastor Chuck you are a mighty man of valor and one who has withstood where many would have fallen.""I have also been grieved by the fact that many supposed 'Christian brethren' have jumped on Julie Anne’s blog, and swallow everything she says, hook, line, and sinker…with not even a care of her intent to try and destroy our church with malicious lies, slander, and gossip!""I’ve admired you and your wife’s restraint in the face of such persecution. There is so much slander online about you and so little response by you and the people of this church. You must be doing the work of our Lord if you’re meeting such unhinged hatred.""Yeah. Merry Christmas! What timing! These people are more heartless than Ebeneezer Scrooge himself."Okay, I give up. I'm going to wear out my right mouse button. *Sigh*

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  14. All of these are just horrible, Steve, and it is hard to believe that they came from a "pastor" and Christian community.I did get a little chuckle out of the "hook, line, and sinker"! I remember that because that phrase was used in two different peoples comments. So, I wonder besides his scripts, do you think Chuck has general guidelines and templates he handed out for commenters?!

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  15. Steve: I always read your comments carefully because you always seem to see what is really going on underneath and can articulate it so well. What you have pointed out is right on: "What I saw and read was a highly dramatized and emotionally charged use of superlatives and absolutes"I'm not sure if you read the Smoothie series I did a while back. I took my readers on an intentional roller coaster ride demonstrating what it was like to listen to his sermons week after week. Without letting my readers know what I was doing, I forced them to read 75% of the same content day after day, only adding 25% new material. It was a fun experiment and when you read the comments, you can see it took some readers a while to finally figure out what was going on (just like it took a lot of us a while to figure out what was going on sitting under his preaching).One of the first things I noticed about him was what you describe: highly dramatized and emotionally charged use of superlatives and absolutes in his preaching. Week after week we heard Chuckese phrases – over and over again. If you were to ask anyone who went there, they could probably list off a bunch of those phrases for you. They can't help but speak Chuckese. In order to remain at that church, they have to go along with his thinking, his opinions, and as evidenced in the videos/comments, his words. You see, this flatters him. There is a reason for this madness. Hearing/seeing his people publicly repeat his words only builds him up and fuels him. This is part of the narcissist pattern – a narcissist requires that people build him up. They need that fuel, the sense of being loved by others and attention from others. On the flip side, they also need someone to devour. Care to guess who he is trying to devour? You are all getting to watch this publicly. All of this, of course, is my very opinionated opinion. I will not be afraid of man. I don't care about my reputation. I don't care if there are 1,000 blogs against me, the Woman of Mass Destruction.

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  16. Tammy, we are all inevitably affected by our cultural environments, and church cultures are no exception. Ideas, beliefs, values, and attitudes are circulated. All sorts of phrases and dispositions (biblical or unbiblical) gain common currency. There’s this spiritual osmosis—a cultural “spirit” (however gracious or legalistic) that becomes us, inhabits us, talks and lives itself out through us. My guess is that these “general guidelines and templates” were not so much handed out on paper, as they were already imprinted upon the hearts and minds of the BGB faithful as religiously communicated there by leadership.One of the creepy things about christian fundamentalism is how uniform their dress, speech and behavior are. When there's no freedom for any diversity of expression outside their legalistic frameworks, there is a crushing of the spirit as everyone conforms to the status quo. Conform or go to hell—that's the game there. And when your spirit is crushed your gonna get angry, maybe even become hateful. But the archons of these cultures know how to channel that anger and hatred toward those who do not submit to their rule. As I’m typing about this cultural absorption and embodiment I remember a piece of dream I had this morning. Fwiw, (and without going into detail) in my dream I see (as a rubric) the word “Habitus”—a term I learned back in the 90's studying social theory, reading Bourdieu. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitus_(sociology)"For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery" (Gal 5:1).

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  17. Well yes, when your attention is drawn from the Giver of Life by a false idol, an attention seeker, the life of the Spirit is sucked from you. I remember feeling like I was suffocating & thirsting for the living water that was being withheld and unable to find it while I was there. I see the same looks on the faces of Kevin's parents. Blank, numb, settling for scraps of love from a man rather than a flood of love from God. In light of this weeks' events all I can say is "Come Lord Jesus!"

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  18. He's also posting like mad at the Wartburgwatch blog! Shouldn't. He be prepping for a sermon or something usefull? You are Consumed Man!!!! Get a life and move on!!!!

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  19. Andy on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM said:Chuck when are you going to learn ? The anti-slap filing shutdown your lawsuit because you didn’t have a legal basis for filing it. You have made a total national spectacle out of yourself, your church and now your family. Posting on this blog that Julie Anne “lied” is defamation and foolish of someone that already has to pay the defendant’s legal fees. Are you looking for more time in court ? You are about the poorest excuse of a pastor that I have ever encountered. You are not qualified to pastor or serve as an elder under the biblical requirements. You lack the maturity,emotional balance and common sense as well. If you continue to insist on staying in the ministry you will bring further damage to this church and your family. For the sake of your family resign and let this church find a mature, qualified pastor that is capable of serving with humility and that can turn your mess into a well balanced and healthy church. YOU lost the case, get over it. Continuing this is SIN and I’m publicly calling on you to repent and leave the ministry. YOU CLEARLY ARE NOT QUALIFIED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

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  20. Julie Anne,I know this discussion may be bringing up painful memories. And Chuck's portrayal of you is certainly less than flattering, though you do appear mainly as Meaghan's sidekick and her sometime doer of evil deeds. The interesting part for me though was to see the documents and to see what Chuck calls his historical timeline. It's all laid out and he even conveniently highlighted the parts that he thinks prove his side but that actually point out his twisted thinking. It's all right there for us to see, his over-the-top reactions to what were merely complaints about a minister and invitations to friends to attend a different church. Tim's emails in particular sound so reasoned and kind in contrast to Chuck's demands to Tim and to Tim and Meaghan's pastor. So I guess the benefit is that those of us who have not experienced it can see firsthand exactly what written spiritual intimidation looks like.

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  21. Jackie: I think I mentioned this on TWW – – that the only good that I can see in this is that people are getting to see what spiritual abuse looks like in action – on both sides, mistakes and all. I hope people learn from my mistakes.

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  22. He comes across as a control freak having a hissy-fit because someone got Uppity."Nothing's worse than a monster who thinks he's right with God."– Captain Mal Reynolds, Free Trader Serenity, Verse Cluster

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  23. Julie Anne,I have a question. On BGBC's blog there is an e-mail from Tim Varela dated October 24, 2008. It states "The christian suicide teaching didn't cause me to look elsewhere." To what teaching is Tim referring? Is this a doctrine that is unique to BGBC? Could you or Tim or Meaghan talk about this? It appears there is more to this whole thing than just the sex offender and Google reviews.

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  24. I am limiting my time at his blog because I see no good in it. I have not read the letter you are referring to, but know a bit about the situation and hopefully this will give a little more info.A very dear and close friend of the pastor's committed suicide. The circumstances in this man's personal life were heart-wrenching and I imagine most people (Christians, included) would have an understanding of the amount of pain this man had endured which led him to take his life. The sermon Chuck preached in response to the suicide was seen as a turning point to some. For me, it was the very first and only time at BGBC I had seen/heard Chuck preach on the topic of "grace" where I felt "grace". In fact, I personally thanked Chuck for the sermon because he showed the kind of grace I believe God offers us. For others, it brought confusion because of earlier teachings and opened up a whole new can of worms. This really has nothing to do with the sex offender and Google reviews, but it does fit in with a spiritually abusive environment IMHO. A typical spiritual abusers will have a set of rules for others, but then changes them when it serves themselves. I believe this was one of those cases.

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  25. Thank you for your answer. BGBC has made these personal communications public and opened new insight into the institution and the man. If there were contrary teachings, leading to confusion, then I cannot believe the contention that you or Meaghan are the cause of all their woes.

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  26. You are not going crazy, HUG. I am not going crazy. There are just crazy troll commenters who don't care about following rules. They follow their own set of rules.

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  27. So we see Chuck's attorney's summation of the DHS report, but not the actual DHS report. Not really evidence, just an opinion of the report by an attorney paid by Chuck. How do we really know what DHS records say Meaghan reported? Those who would justify Chuck's anger by this letter are still just taking Chuck's word for the truth.

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  28. You and I are in complete agreement on this. This is exactly why I told Chuck (on TWW blog) to show us the whole DHS page. Why show us just part of the page? Could it be he is hiding something? He ignored that comment. Ignoring is an active choice to not deal with an issue. He also ignored the multiple comments saying I would be willing to mediate. He has no desire to mediate anything. His desire is to control the flow of communication within his group and to feed them the information he wants them to hear (just like cult leaders do). There are discrepancies on the attorney's letter. It appears that the attorney only summarized Chuck's own words/claims. So what? He's been rambling on about being falsely accused of being a sexual abuser and yet what proof have we seen of any of this? In his own court declaration he states that I told him I was unaware of him being reported as a sexual abuser. That's what he came to my house for with the hidden recording device – to ask my knowledge of the DHS reporting. He's been aware of my knowledge of this long ago, yet keeps going on and on publicly that we are labeling HIM as an abuser. Nothing could be further than the truth. In our minds, this has never been about Chuck as an abuser. We do not believe it to be true. There is no court documentation ANYWHERE regarding Chuck being a sexual abuser. He "claims" it is in the DHS report, yet won't show us the full report. A snippet of a document? We need to see the full form. Besides that, we know it is completely against DHS policy and perhaps illegal to release information like this. I think he's creating his own chaos.

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  29. One thing I have noticed through viewing this blog is that many of Julie Ann's supporters seem to be ignorant of Proverbs 18:17.Julie Ann's pride flares up when she laughs about the other BGBC survivor blog mockingly joking about what did any of them have to survive?Well Julie Ann, because I am aware of Proverbs 18:17, I have read both survivor blogs, know full well both sides of the story, and have come to the conclusion that what the TRUE BGBC survivors had to survive is your deceitful tongue, your hypocritical nature, your slander, and your attempts to cause division in a good biblical Church. You laugh and mock as your haughtiness leads you to think that the poor souls who have suffered at your wicked and sinful hands see you as some force to be reckoned with, but in reality, the true force is the one behind you, the one working through you…he is the god of this age (2 Cor. 4:4), the father of lies (John 8:44), and you are merely his weapon of unrighteousness, nothing more.I remember some time back, when Julie Ann and company showed up at my Church. With forked tongues they attempted to manipulate my Pastor with their smooth talk and flattery (Rom 16:18). They approached him with much praise and adoration, speaking fluent Christianese in a ruse to win him over, but soon Julie Ann and company showed their true colors and started to gossip and slander Chuck O’Neal. I stood there, listening with amazement, at their utter lack of shame to act so unbiblical and be so blinded and self-deceived to think that they were actually in the right as they sinned openly in front of my Pastor and me. Thank God Almighty they never returned to my Church, but their impression they left made me want to dig further into the truth of this matter. I had never witnessed a person or group so intent on gossiping and slandering their old Church and Pastor, that I wanted to find out just what reason they had to act so openly wicked. Thankfully, my Pastor had the discernment to see through their smooth talk and flattery and warned our Church at the next Bible Study of these vicious ungodly people.Lastly, I wanted to point out the reasons I said you are a hypocrite and liar, because I don’t make false accusations as Julie Ann does. I have clearly shown in the above paragraph Julie Ann and company’s attempt to be divisive in the universal Church of Christ, so I can only imagine how extremely venomous and divisive you were when you were at BGBC. Julie Ann complains how unbiblical it was for Pastor O’Neal to bring her to court in a lawsuit, citing 1 Cor. 6:5-7, but did that verse at all enter you mind when your cohorts called Child Protective Services on Pastor O’Neal and made false claims of child abuse against him? Did you even consider the 9th Commandment, “Thou shalt not bear false witness”? or does your selfishness and need for vengeance know no bounds? Oh, but of course, Julie Ann will claim that it was not a false claim of child abuse…but even the unbelieving state government found the complaint to be false and found there to be absolutely no abuse, so yes Julie Ann, you and your co-conspirators did and have given false witness and thus sinned against God and Pastor O’Neal. That single fact alone exposes Julie Ann and company to be liars, hypocrites and slanderers. I could go on to site other instances, and other offenses but there is no need to beat a dead horse. I have clearly made my case…now comes the two important questions.

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  30. Will Julie Ann have the integrity to actually leave my post on her website this time? Other posts I have attempted to leave have been deleted by the woman who claims to be so truthful and transparent, so, I of course, am inclined to believe that she will cowardly delete this post as well. Lastly, will Julie Ann and the one behind her, her father, the devil, do what they do best and seek vengeance against me and my church? Her track record tells me yes, but my guess is that Julie Ann has been so busy doing Satan’s work and sewing so many seeds of discord that she can’t even remember all the Churches she has attempted to slander Pastor O’Neal at. I will close in saying, that Christ said in Luke 6:28 to pray for those who mistreat you, and in 1 Peter 2:19-23 Scripture instructs us that it is commendable to God to bear up under unjust suffering and mistreatment. So tell me Julie Ann, since you claim to have been so mistreated, why is it that you have attempted to wage this war of slander, gossip and divisiveness, instead of quietly (1 Pet 3:3-4) bearing up just as Christ did, and to pray for Pastor O’Neal? Anyone with a smidge of biblical knowledge and discernment can tell exactly who and what you are Julie Ann, that is why you have no godly allies, such as the men at Grace, down in California.

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  31. Pardon me – I was not aware when I responded to you on TWW, that you had actually commented here. Perhaps we were posting at the same time. I will repost what I said on TWW: Hmm, Solid Brother, were you posting on the correct blog? The only comments I’ve removed in the past week have been Anonymous advertisements for the Impostor Blog which I said up front I would be removing. You must have spent a considerable amount of time concocting such a story, but your choice of word phrases gives you away as an O’Neal follower (deceitful tongue, attempts to cause division, weapon of unrighteousness, smooth talk and flattery, Julie Ann and company, sewing so many seeds of discord). I give you an A+ for effort, but overall, you failed with me. Someone else may be able to be convinced, who knows.PS – You’d get more credibility from me (even as a naysayer) if you’d spelled my name correctly. Julie Anne (with an E).

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  32. Oops, my apologies, Peter Paul. I just realized I forgot to change your name in my response to you. Obviously, I copied and pasted my response from TWW here and failed to exchange the "Solid Brother" to Peter Paul.

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  33. Peter Paul said: Anyone with a smidge of biblical knowledge and discernment can tell exactly who and what you are Julie Ann, that is why you have no godly allies, such as the men at Grace, down in California. So, the implication is that a godly ally must be a man? Wow. Just wow.

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  34. Peter Paul, I see you’ve clearly made your case… that is to say, you’ve clearly made your case against your own home church being a safe and sane House of the LORD. What’s the name of your church? I'd be curious to take a look at you.

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  35. To Peter Paul or Solid Brother,Just to be clear, the context for 1 Peter 2 is Living Godly Lives in a Pagan Society.11 “Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which wage war against your soul. 12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.”The 1 Peter 3:3-4 passage refers to how believing wives should behave especially around an unbelieving husband.One fails to get the connection that Julie Anne should have with either of these passages. How one bears up in being truly ‘persecuted for Christ’ in a pagan society and being sued by their former pastor in America are clearly two different contexts, wouldn’t you say?!

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  36. “The first one to plead his cause seems right,Until his neighbor comes and examines him.” Proverbs 18:17Peter Paul excellent comment! I believe Proverbs 18:17 sums the situation up. Sounds like Julie Anne and her “followers” are also described in 2 Timothy 3… proud, unloving, slanderers, haughty, lovers of pleasure (or in this case – lover of her 15 minutes of fame) …to name a few. I followed this blog for awhile, and to be honest it became tiresome. Same thing different day. Much whining, gossip, and speculation against churches, pastors, etc. Julie Anne reminds me of “Peter and the Wolf”. She stands on a mountain side bored and wanting attention, so she cries, “Wolf! Wolf!” so people will take notice and come running. Sadly for you Julie Anne… we know how the tale ends.I’d also like to make an observation… I've noticed time and time again Julie Anne getting all worked up over her name. Call her ‘Julie’ or ‘Julie Ann’ and she gets all ruffled over it. Seriously? And lately she’s also complaining over her blog name being stolen. Really? If that’s all it takes to get under this woman’s skin my sympathies lie with Pastor O’Neal. Can you imagine what it must have been like… I mean, were the pews at BGBC straight enough for you?! I’m sorry, but can anyone say Proverbs 21:19? “Better to dwell in the wilderness, Than with a contentious and angry woman.” Wow.Now that the truth is out about this situation, you should get a new “hobby” Julie Anne.

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  37. Bluebird, I am pretty sure if you never visit this site again your comments won't be missed. But as far as this not being a popular blog, over 300,000 hits in less than a year tells somewhat a different story. A blog devoted to expose and discuss spiritual abuse is naturally going to draw some negative reviews, thus people like yourself. If there were not people like yourself and Chuck, there would be no spiritual abuse, thus no need for blog like Julie Anne's. And as far as her name, at least she has the courage to use her own name and not coward behind a name like bluebird. In fact you should be thanking Julie Anne for the work she is doing. I am sure you have no trouble finding a good parking place at BGBC, and if you come to the service late you can still get a front row seat. If you not a member of BGBC, you should be, you and Chuck have much in common. Raymond

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  38. Check your facts BlueBird- My mother didn't say Chuck "stole" her blog name – that was a quote from my dad. Do a simple word search on this page and you'll find the only two times that word is used is when she referenced what he said and then your comment. The similar name tactic is something that is a common "phishing" tactic… create a website with a similar name and try to redirect traffic from the one you're trying to attack.

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  39. Ahhh Raymond, we are truly living in the days where people would much rather hear pleasant words and not the truth, eh? Just like in the days of Isaiah… "You must not prophesy to us what is right, Speak to us pleasant words, Prophesy illusions.” (Isaiah 30:10) Also 2 Timothy 4:3-4 “because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.” Julie Anne does love her fables. Have you ever considered that many of those 300,000 hits are from the poor people at BGBC looking to see what fables Julie Anne has concocted lately about them? It’s not like this blog has 300,000 avid followers waiting and drooling over Julie’s every word. I wouldn't call my comment a “negative review” but rather a differing view than yours. One that enjoys engaging in thinking for myself, looking at both sides of the story and making an educated decision based on facts. Not on speculation, ponderings and the ever vacillating emotions of people. And as far as my name, call me a coward to your heart’s desire… but I have read what Julie Anne and her friends have done to the families at BGBC. Would anyone in their right mind want to give Julie and her “followers” access to their family? I think not. I have children at home to protect. Lastly, I see you are now coming out with your true intentions for BGBC, your desire to clear out the church. Wonder what God will think of your goal to destroy this church? Well, one thing for sure, it’s nice to see a little truth out of you guys for a change.

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  40. O this is funny! Hey BlueBeard, or should i say Mr Weaver!Your foible is a confusion of fables. Do you really know the end of the ”Peter and the Wolf” story? Is Peter likened here to Julie Anne who traps a wolf with a bird in its belly and then convinces the hunters to put it on display? I know, I know you meant to cite The Boy Who Cried “Wolf”, right?But let me tell you the Julie Anne wolf-story.here goes: The shepherdess who cried ‘wolf!’ Once there was a Oregonian Shepherdess who cried ‘wolf!’ All the hillside shepherds came and examined the situation and proclaimed ‘not so.’Shortly thereafter the shepherdess once again and even louder cried ‘wolf!’ and her cry was heard as far as California. The shepherds on hearing her cry (shepherds who were either wolves themselves or mind controlled sheep playing their roles) determined once again that no wolves were threatening the flock or the shepherdess. When the wolves came against her again to snuff the Shepherdess out her cry was heard around the globe and rams and true shepherds came running to defend the Shepherdess and the flock from the ravenous schemes of the wolves. The global attention contained these wolves in a zoo, encased them under the glass of the world wide web for all to see the truth.

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  41. Bluebird, reading your comments really don't make sense. You bash Julie Anne's blog in your first post."I followed this blog for awhile, and to be honest it became tiresome. Same thing different day. Much whining, gossip, and speculation against churches, pastors, etc. Julie Anne reminds me of “Peter and the Wolf”. She stands on a mountain side bored and wanting attention, so she cries, “Wolf! Wolf!” so people will take notice and come running. Sadly for you Julie Anne… we know how the tale ends."Then you come back and act like you're some kind of neutral observer trying to just get both sides of the story. By the way Peter, was not the the character that yelled "wolf wolf", I think in that fable the character's name was Chuck, but I am not sure. "I wouldn't call my comment a “negative review” but rather a differing view than yours. One that enjoys engaging in thinking for myself, looking at both sides of the story and making an educated decision based on facts. Not on speculation, ponderings and the ever vacillating emotions of people." Why do you people continue to waste your time and energy and money trying to defend something that really nobody cares about but your Pastor? Since Chuck's blog has been posted, there have been a total of 81 comments posted by a total of 20 people, 5 which have a last name of O'Neal, and from reading most all the comments, I think I am safe to say all but maybe one attends BGBC. I don't know what the total number in the congregation is, but only having 15 comments on such a life and death situation for the church would really concern me. I am sure there were plenty of other comments that didn't get posted – if I had to guess that number would be more than the 81. Julie Anne's blog and the TWW had a total of 482 comments from 99 different people. And Chuck and his family was allowed to make 11 comments. And Julie Anne and the TWW are not representing a church. (In fact I live 2,500 miles away). And I don't recall seeing Julie Anne or Meaghan's comments posted on Chuck's blog even once. Now come on bluebird, you don't have to be very smart to see that Chuck is wasting his time and his church's resources and Internet space to prove what?And if you are baiting waiting for a response from Julie Anne, I heard she don't like Bluebirds, because they are very territorial and sit on your car mirror and try to beat up an image of itself. They are not smart enough to know neither of the birds are going to win the fight. She also said she don't like bluebirds because they crap on her window trying to beat the crap out of their own reflection. She wouldn't care if the bluebird never comes back, it makes too much of a mess.Raymond

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  42. Raymond: #1: Did you really go to TWW and Impostor Blog and my blog and count comments/posts? This cracks me up.#2: I'm wondering what Kool-Aid you've been drinking because I don't ever recall having a conversation with you about bluebirds. I don't know a thing about bluebirds. Your story was quite humorous, though. Thanks for the education and laugh.#3: I do hate bird poop.#4: You made excellent points even if you went to crazy feats in doing your fact gathering.

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  43. Raymond, Your comments were insightful and delightful!! You are one who knows and understands! Thanks for taking the time to be the bean counter and draw comparisons. Thanks for the bird identification study–that is 'for the birds'! Well done. Smiling from here. 🙂

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  44. More blog stats for Raymond: This post is in 7th place for # of hits. It's 2nd place for # of comments. I think if the Impostor Site would allow negative comments, they'd get more traffic 🙂 Look how many comments Bluebird and Peter Paul, Anonymous, etc, generated.

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  45. Monax, my bad. I did indeed mean “The Boy who Cried Wolf”, but see… you still knew what I meant even though I had the title wrong.Lol, sorry but the joke is on you. I am BlueBIRD, not BlueBEARD, and therefore not Mr. Weaver, who I believe is the Elder of BGBC… but thank you for the compliment! I will tell you I am a wife and mother, but alas, cannot give you any more information because of the whole ‘protecting my family from you people’ thing. Kudos to you monax for knowing your fables. Well done. And you taking the time to compose a “story” explains a lot about your friendship with Julie Anne as she enjoys concocting fables too, as I have mentioned before. Unfortunately though, it doesn’t appear you know your Bible as well. Calling Julie Anne a “shepherdess” is so unbiblical I am squirming for you. I would hate to explain that on judgment day. God makes it perfectly clear in the Bible the way His church is to be run, and having a woman in a place of authority is not it. “And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.” (1 Timothy 2:12) Does this make me or any other woman “less than”? Absolutely not! I, in no way, feel inferior to hear and obey God’s holy design. I know that my role as wife, mother, keeper of the home is most important. And I am blessed to embrace it along with all the other tasks God brings about for me to take on… all the while knowing that there are some roles I am not designed for. Phew! I don’t have to do it all! God has appointed and qualified the men He has called, Elders and Deacons, to watch over flocks. And, in my life, given me a husband to lead my home. You’re right, there is truth out about the Julie Anne vs. BGBC situation on the internet… however, there’s not much truth of it here on this blog.

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  46. Bluebird: Did you, as a woman, just publicly rebuke monax, a man? Were you trying to teach him 1 Tim 2:12? Whoa.Maybe we should be "squirming for you"?signed,JA, aka as "shepherdess" to monax

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  47. Raymond… miss me? Seriously though, I could probably come up with little quips about your name, or perhaps I could ponder where the name “monax” came from and how odd it sounds… or maybe I’ll just be an adult about it and focus on the things that matter. Like this whole thing was never about one negative review left on google, was it? Looks more like the biggest grudge I've ever witnessed, blogged about day and night by a prideful hypocrite and liar (borrowing Peter Paul’s words there because he made an excellent case) with nothing better to do than to scoff at other’s people’s pain. I also see that you and Julie have been busy counting comments, hits and commenters. How adorable. I didn't realize this was a high school popularity contest. But really, you guys make it too easy…. I mentioned before that Julie and crew were proud, unloving, slanderers, haughty, lovers of pleasure (or in this case – lover of her 15 minutes of fame)… So thank you for proving my point! Your focus on numbers and popularity rather than the facts, illustrates exactly what I was talking about. Question for you… if a person is wrong, but has 99 different people siding with her, does it somehow make her right? No, because truth is truth. And fable, no matter how compelling — and even if there are a bunch of people buying it and re-shoveling it –- is still just a made-up tall tale. Sorry guys.One final thought… if someone was running to different churches spreading lies about me, blogging non-stop nastiness about me, calling DHS and lying about me…. I would absolutely start my own blog to set the record straight about myself and my family. And no one in their right mind would call that a waste of time.

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  48. BlueBird, my calling you BlueBeard was intentional on a number of levels.I'm curious, did you maybe slightly get “worked up” and “ruffled” over my getting your name wrong? =]Fwiw, there is a blue bird in the Peter and the Wolf story. The blue bird is an ally of Peter and helps him catch the wolf. Bluebeard, on the other hand, is a monstrous character from french folklore. I called you Mr Weaver, cause that’s who you sound like. In fact, you all sound like a bunch of Chucks—mean, legalistic and graceless. You write: Calling Julie Anne a “shepherdess” is so unbiblical I am squirming for you. I would hate to explain that on judgment day. God makes it perfectly clear in the Bible the way His church is to be run, and having a woman in a place of authority is not it. “And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.” (1 Timothy 2:12)What I appreciate in your comment here is your passionate embracing of Scripture as our final authority for faith and practice. I also agree that God has made it perfectly clear that women are not permitted to teach or to have authority over men. Yes, dear, I believe Scripture is quite clear on this. But where does it say that a woman is not to be a teacher or a pastor? In the church there are many highly gifted women who God has called to pastor and to teach. They serve in the body in positions that no men can fill. A woman who is a pastor or teacher to other women or children is not disobeying any Scriptural directives.Please know, BlueBird, even you, as you are in Christ—you are a woman called to great spiritual authority. What grants us this authority? For one, we’re seated with Christ at the right hand of our heavenly Father. Obedience grants authority. Love grants authority. Knowing whose you are and how to wield the Sword of Truth grants great authority. With the authority you have in Christ you can crush serpents and scorpions. It's true. Bless you, BlueBird, Bless you!

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  49. Anonymous, not stupid, just blinded. We all were when we were at that institution. But I am now convinced that God will lift that blindness in due time. As I see more and more families freed from there, I have hope for you too!

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  50. Hi Julie Anne,Solid Bro from TWW referenced Proverbs 18:17, which I think is FUNNY, since he disobeys God's Law (Leviticus 19:18) as a so called man of the cloth. Proverbs 18:17, huh? “In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right,until someone comes forward and cross-examines.”Since Chuck brought the lawsuit, he was the first to speak.The judge wasn’t gonna have any of it. The judge already told Chuckles that he has no standing, no merit. In other words, Chuckles, SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP.Besides, who really cares who called CPS on Chuckles? BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY!! If I was falsely accused of something that I did not do, WHO CARES? Dust your feet and move on. Why all this nonsense of the fake and phoney tears from the Chuckles family, with all of their “woe is us” sympathy seekers?Leviticus 19:18“‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.”THAT IS GOD’S LAW, CHUCKLES!!!! YOU ARE DISOBEYING GOD’S LAW, AS A MAN OF THE CLOTH, YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE WORDS GRACE AND MERCY.Ed Chapman

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  51. Ed: Congratulations – With your comment you made this the most commented post in history here. And what a comment! I am going to take my laptop off my lap, stand and salute you for the comment of the day! haha 🙂 And I concur with 100% of it. I've missed your face around here lately! Good to "see" you again, Ed.

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  52. Wow, what an honor. I was once in the Navy for quite a few years, and no one saluted me. Yes, I have been on hiatus for a bit. I have had some family issues that I have been dealing with, as well as working a lot, and it hasn't afforded the time to blog lately. I was just thinking about your blog earlier, and when I logged in, I was surprised to see that Chuck was back at his old tricks again. He is still accusing you of a CRIMINAL act. But yet, he took you to civil court. I know the difference between those two words. Someone needs to teach Chuck the difference. Criminal (JAIL) vs. CIVIL (Money).

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  53. I looked at his site and read the newly added detail about the DHS report. I did not see what Chuck says is there. I see how he can turn it to make these things look like he is unjustly persecuted. I was present and observed some of the incidents surrounding these reports and I was concerned. The timing of the report does not bother me, nor do the "love" notes from Meaghan. What this comes down to, for me, is that when I weigh my experiences at BGBC with all concerned, I find Meaghan and Julie Anne to be the more trustworthy over pastor and co. Having been the subject of fact twisting,gossip and supposition there, I have to agree that he creates his own chaos.

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  54. The beautiful thing about Chuck's new blog is him and all the people who respond incriminate themselves. After reading about how "shunning" is a part of church discipline WHO WOULD EVER WANT TO JOIN THEM? Basically, Chuck guaranteed permanent stunting of his church's growth. I don't go to church, but if I ever started again, I certainly wouldn't go to one where a pastor has dedicated an entire website to defending himself. What a tool.

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  55. Melissa – BTW, Are you the same Melissa who commented on TWW? It really is puzzling how he thinks this is going to help his cause. It is the most blatant way to scare people away from church entirely. His blog, the business cards, etc – – they are pushing people AWAY from Christ. He prides himself on knowing the best ways of evangelizing, but this is anti-evangelizing. Who wants to go to their parked car and see the blatherings of a disgruntled pastor? It's bizarre behavior.

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  56. Yes, that's me. I also posted to his website, but of course that's moderated. I hate bullies, and he's the worst of the worst. I originally emailed him after the story hit the Huffington Post. Here's our interchange: —–Original Message—– From: "Melissa" Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 4:30pm To: "chuckoneal@cleaninter.net" Subject: What an embarrassment you are chuck o'neil. I didn't know about you until you decided to file a lawsuit. I guess that debunks your lawsuit. You have effectively destroyed your reputation with me (and many other complete strangers) by your public filing of action against a member of your church. Perhaps, you should have just ignored the criticism, then people like me would have never known about you! And FTR, pastors who sue church members generally have something to hide. Of course that's complete opinion and should never be construed as chuck truth. Have a great mothers day from a very cool mommy, Melissa Fletcher, RN,BSN,MSN and a real doctoral candidate (as opposed to the faux version you right wingers prefer) Sent from my iPhone_________________________On May 15, 2012, at 9:59 PM, chuckoneal@cleaninter.net wrote: Things are not always what they first seem to be. Here is the rest of the story. BEAVERTON GRACE BIBLE CHURCH PRESS RELEASE There is another side to the story. Beaverton Grace Bible Church wants to present its side of the story ****************deleted most of this email because I stopped reading about 4 lines in when my mind started substituting words with "blah blah blah"***********We thank you for your prayers.______________________________ —–Original Message—–From: "Melissa" Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:06amTo: "chuckoneal@cleaninter.net" Subject: Re: RE:Your Hardly blameless, and your loose use of scripture to prove your position speaks volumes. Sorry "pastor" O'neill, you have no excuse. Sent from my iPhone_

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  57. Continued:________________________From: "chuckoneal@cleaninter.net" To: Melissa Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 8:01 AMSubject: Re: RE:Dear Melissa, I hope you had a Merry Christmas! No excuses, just the truth of why we attempted to use legal means to defend our families. Just wanted to let you know that we have finally gotten the antidote to our revilers' poison up on the internet at **********.org or you can click on the following links: http://www.*********.org/m******************************-family/#comment-184 http://www.*********.org/wh****************is-site/ http://www.*********org/a-***************a/ http://www.********.org/defen*************rough-legal-means/ Thank you for your kind email and prayers! For Christ and His Church, Chuck O'Neal, Pastor BGBC ________________________________ Re: RE:Hide DetailsFrom Melissa FletcherTo chuckoneal@cleaninter.net wow, now your bonified obsessed. I had all but forgotten you completely. Congratulations on taking your misogyny to the next level. I'm giving you some free press, just like you like it. I've posted your blog on my IFB cult survivors page on facebook so everyone can see how far an abuser will go to harass others and defend himself. I'm sure you'll get a few comments on your new blog from our members, so good thing you have the "moderation" option on. You would think that after your first decision to make a buffoon of yourself, getting national press coverage, and then LOSING, you would learn. But oh well! Being smart about handling people speaking against you definitely isn't your strong suit. Free advice for the new year: you did good cleaning up the comments on google. Most people forgot who you were including me. Take down your blog and it will stay that way. The more you fight, the guiltier you look, and right now you are looking pretty guilty. May your 2013 be filled with peace….your not starting strong but I have hope. Melissa Fletcher ___________________________Anyway, I was pretty surprised to see him make the effort to respond to me months and months after our last contact. It actually set off all my triggers. I didn't think I was particularly kind….or even feigned more than bystander interest, but apparently he feels he can prove something. He's sick and he needs help. When I looked up his website today and saw he is bragging that he has a blog to defend himself, I thought my my my….the lengths this man will go. He's stereotypical cult leader. Essentially he's destroying himself, and that's always sad to watch, although I can't fake sympathy. The pews of that church serve better empty. There are better places to worship and more loving versions of Christianity out there.

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