Classical Conversations #4: A CC Veteran Gives Advice to New People Considering Classical Conversations

Classical Conversations, High-Controlling Groups, Deleted Comments, Blocked Commenters, Noble Gibbens, Leigh Bortins


delete comments, block people on Facebook, no-talk rule

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NOTE: This is part of a series that began with these earlier posts:


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Sometimes there are comments that come through that I think really need to be seen by a larger audience, not buried in the comment section of an article where people might never see them. Today’s post is one such case. When I saw Maria’s comment, I knew it needed to be read, especially by those who are considering Classical Conversations.

Her comment is information she learned from experience, not from what was given to her when she started in Classical Conversations. This fact should lead us to question:

  • Why isn’t this information given to newbies?
  • Why does it take so long for people to get information?
  • Why aren’t people being given straight answers to their questions?
  • Why are parents not allowed to use their critical thinking skills and ask questions, when CC supposedly promotes critical thinking?
  • Why is there so much confusion regarding liability issues, contracts, taxes, CC licenses, etc.? These are all legal issues that should have full disclosure.

There are many more questions I can add, but that’s a start. I am still learning about the CC organization and the hierarchical structure. Those with direct involvement in Classical Conversations are the ones who need to have the floor when it comes to sharing experiences, and that is what my blog does – allows you to have a voice, whether that is in the comments or your give me permission to turn your comment into a blog article. 

I am grateful for those who have trusted me with their sensitive information and those who have been willing to risk by sharing their personal stories. Having been involved in a high-controlling church environment where communication was squelched, I understand that fear, and that is why this blog exists. We do not need to live in fear. We need to live in truth and expose what goes on in the darkness. ~Julie Anne


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Comment by Maria W. (edited only for grammatical clarity and punctuation)

 

There are definitely “hot topics” that will get you scolded publicly in training, blocked, deleted, blacklisted, or even put on the “grid.” In my over 7 years involvement with Classical Conversations, I’ve experienced all of these various kinds of mental, emotional, verbal, and bordering on spiritual types of abuse because I simply ASKED a QUESTION !!! It’s so confusing to me why they promote the Challenge Levels of learning as a time for the STUDENTS to seek truth by learning to ask great questions (while telling parents in the same breath that they can RECLAIM their OWN education) and then when you want to get more involved as a Director or some other leadership position such as Area Representative or Support Representative you are all of a sudden prohibited from “speaking” by being blocked, deleted or told directly to shut up and STOP ASKING GREAT QUESTIONS !!!! (Isn’t one of Leigh Bortins’ books called THE QUESTION? Maybe I missed a chapter?) Then you’re fed the line, “trust the system”!!! You lost my trust when you didn’t answer my questions honestly with all the knowledge you have and won’t share with those who have signed your wordy contracts and paid you all kinds of fees to own a crumb of your pie!!!

Overarching themes of questions and conversations that are SILENCED almost immediately by the Classical Conversations “Enforcement Officer.” Noble Gibbens (mentioned in the above #3 post), are Director Liability, Classifying Tutors as Independent Contractors vs. Employees, Child Abuse Issues, Contracts, almost ALL questions regarding various Money Issues, and ANYTHING having to do with the “sacred guides.” I saw a post on the CC main page a while back where Mr. Gibbens even asked for ONLY POSITIVE REVIEWS of the new 5th edition Foundations Guide and seemed to have deleted any negative comments. Just this week I am learning on the Let Us Reason for real Facebook page that topics like using the CC materials at home and diversity have been moved OFF the CC Main Facebook page to separate non-CC admin’d pages (probably because admins don’t have time to monitor every.single.post) !!! That alone speaks volumes!!!

If you’re sitting at a FREE Parent practicum right now (which will cost you greatly in the future if you decide to sign on any dotted lines without doing your homework) while they are recruiting uninformed homeschool moms and dads to fill the much needed Classical Conversations Inc. roles of Area Representative, Support Representative, Director, or Tutor, I HIGHLY recommend that you DO take their advice and PAY an attorney to review ANY CONTRACT you are given BEFORE signing it. Directors and upper levels of management are given contracts that are 20-30+ pages long and even most CC employees can’t explain what MOST of it means.

Especially KNOW what YOUR LIABILITY is and ask detailed questions!!!! It didn’t surprise me in the end that Classical Conversations was NOT going to have any single one of their lawyers help me out of a really difficult situation. IT WAS ALL ON ME to deal with it !!! Then PAY an accountant when you clearly understand how much YOUR CC LICENSED BUSINESS will PROFIT so you know HOW to do your TAXES and HOW it will affect your FAMILY INCOME on your tax return forms. (I’m so sorry if you were fed the line that this was a ministry – it’s a business with financial liability as well.)

Have an accountant VERY FAMILIAR with the Classical Conversations business AND structure clearly explain how the IRS will use their own rules, not CC’s, to classify your tutors in case the IRS decides to ever AUDIT your business as a CC Director. Know what to do if CHILD ABUSE is reported in your community, and DON’T let yourself be silenced if CC Leaders tell you the issue has to “go to the top” first. You go DIRECTLY to the AUTHORITIES [i.e., civil/police] FIRST. No questions need to be asked in this serious type of situation!!! Talk to an insurance agent who can explain all the situations you should have coverage for. DON’T get caught off guard when something serious happens. Claiming that Classical Conversations didn’t train you well in the area of LIABILITY will hold no weight in a court of law!!! YOU hold the liability for every parent that pays you money to have their child(ren) participate in your programs. I wish someone had given me this advice YEARS AGO!!!

And if you’re a parent considering filling out an APPLICATION to be ACCEPTED into a community and getting ready to pay your NON-REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT by July 20th to “hold your place,” take a real close look at all the paperwork you’ll be signing, because once you’re IN you’ll surely be given the run-around, or worse yet, silenced, as it appears so many other have been if you decide to ask any of the TOUGH QUESTIONS in search of the TRUTH!!! If you’re silenced before you even drop a dime, then find a different way to enjoy fellowship with other homeschool families. There are LOTS of great options out there!!!

I’ve actually done a complete turn around in just the last few weeks, and rather than blaming God for letting our family get involved with Classical Conversations, I am thanking Him for allowing me to be blacklisted, or whatever way CC edges you out of a leadership role for asking too many direct questions. CC can delete my comments and block me from participating in their censored conversations, but they can’t stop me from teaching my children how NOT to treat others when they get out into the business world, whether they are an employee or business owner. They also can’t stop me from sharing my REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE with other homeschool friends. I hope this blog will help expose some of the bullying techniques and legal tactics that Classical Conversations has used to SILENCE those who seek the truth.

I’m praying that someone at the corporate level will see the error in their ways and do an “about face” before things get worse. There is still time to make this right rather than digging an even deeper bunker to hide in. I pray that CC leaders will clearly see that their effort to silence parents who have learned to ask great questions is setting a poor example for our Challenge-age students. I can tell you that my children don’t learn with blinders on in our homeschool. They have seen the good, the bad, and the ugly that Classical Conversation offers.

I need to go now and have my oldest child proofread my comment since THAT student is the one who has suffered and grieved the MOST in our family. If CC wants the next generation to buy into their products and programs, then they better consider an emergency meeting in the SITUATION ROOM and ASK THEMSELVES, “Is what we’re doing/selling BENEFITING the STUDENTS?” or better yet, “Are we putting the STUDENTS FIRST”?

29 comments on “Classical Conversations #4: A CC Veteran Gives Advice to New People Considering Classical Conversations

  1. Thank you. You are not alone. I, too, was blacklisted and regularly had comments deleted merely for asking intelligent questions, especially on the Essentials forum. It kind of blew my mind how obsequious and ridiculous the Essentials forum was.

    My line has become, “CC will claim to teach logical objective thought, but don’t turn it on them. They will claim that rhetoric is for truth, goodness, and beauty but will use it for their own interests.”

    My story is long and has many pieces. But one of my children was definitely damaged as well by seeing how terribly CC handled a situation in which a substitute tutor slapped him and then went on to become a director and then an Area/Support Manager (whatever is above a director).

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  2. Wow!!! Thank you Maria for sharing your story. The behavior of the CC leadership all the way to the lower level moms is so cult-like. Especially as Christians we should value and highlight truth whenever we can. Partial answers, deflecting, deleting sincere questions all add up to a very messed up system.

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  3. Nancy, It was hard to put that all into words, but I hope it will help others find the answers they are looking for.

    Thank you Brooke for confirming that my experience was not an isolated incident. I WILL keep your child in my prayers because no student should have to experience trauma like that at the hand of a supposedly “trained adult tutor”. It’s inexcusable.

    Thank you for sharing Sandra. I’m thankful that my husband helped me to clearly see how our family was being affected and that I left in time to continue our remaining years of homeschooling without all the drama and uncertainty.

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  4. It’s a scary thing, to innocently join a group for beneficial and even noble reasons, only to find out later it is a group that exerts “Undue Influence” and can be destructive to its members.

    I’m NOT saying that CC is a cult. I only want to point out that, in my opinion, it seems CC has some problematic areas that are similar to how cults operate… and therefore CC may be a risky company to be involved with… unless and until they can prove they are transparent and reliable in the eyes of their associates and members.

    The Freedom of Mind Resource Center (FOM) is headed by Steven Hassan, a highly respected and internationally known expert on cults. The website provides a lot of excellent info, including a list of questions to research before joining any group. Here are some quotes from FOM (not in exact same order as website, I cut & pasted):

    Vague, evasive, deceptive, or manipulative answers are a huge red flag! Give yourself the time and space to investigate and think about any groups you are considering.
    Do independent research before you make any commitments. Don’t only rely on the recruiter’s information, and don’t let anyone put extreme pressure on you to make quick, impulsive, or uninformed decisions.

    • Does the group culture discourage you from asking questions?
    • Are questions and doubts permitted within the organization?
    • Are all members expected to conform to group beliefs, or can they form independent belief systems?
    • Is there honest disclosure of group history, doctrine, practices, and expectations?
    • Are there “in” groups and “out” groups?
    • Do [top leaders] financially exploit followers by expecting them to live in poverty while they indulge in luxury?
    • Do ordinary people find [top leaders] inaccessible, unreachable, or elitist?
    • Is there real financial accountability and transparency?
    • What structural checks and balances exist within the organization to prevent abuse of power?
    • Is there an independent “ethics” committee to challenge and change policies of the group?
    • If there are abuses or injustices, what structure exists to correct them?
    • What do former leaders and members say about the group?
    Also…
    • Does the group do background checks for people working with children?
    • What measures are in place to prevent child abuse, whether emotional, physical, or sexual?

    https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/

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  5. • Does the group culture discourage you from asking questions?
    Absolutely. CC’s answers to questions are: “trust the method”, “you just don’t understand the classical method”, and DELETE

    • Are questions and doubts permitted within the organization?
    No. You MUST swallow the KoolAid to rise within the organization. Questions mean you are not philosophically on board. I was told this in the exact words when I asked to not return as a tutor, “You need to bring your questions to leadership. Because you have brought your questions to leadership, we believe you are not philosophically on board.” Read that again. I was actually told that. The logical inconsistency is astounding.

    • Are all members expected to conform to group beliefs, or can they form independent belief systems?
    Members are sheep who need to be of little brain to succeed. They are kept in the dark by being given very little or extremely wordy “talk” that explains absolutely nothing but makes them feel as if they know nothing and never could.

    • Is there honest disclosure of group history, doctrine, practices, and expectations?
    CC believes there is.

    • Are there “in” groups and “out” groups?
    Anyone who toes the line is “in” and anyone who doesn’t is “out”.

    • Do [top leaders] financially exploit followers by expecting them to live in poverty while they indulge in luxury?
    This I don’t know, although there are many who have questions.

    • Do ordinary people find [top leaders] inaccessible, unreachable, or elitist?
    They pretend to be helpful and peacemaking but in all efforts, they are absolutely following a script given to them. And many times, they seem to have made up their minds already. With answers such as “trust the method” and “you just don’t understand” and the deleting that is common and telling people not to talk to each other – with that level of communication from leaders, you can see why they seem inaccessible (while pretending to be accessible but giving NOTHING in the way of actual answers).

    • Is there real financial accountability and transparency?
    I am not sure. Many people claim they are not so.

    • What structural checks and balances exist within the organization to prevent abuse of power?
    I doubt these exist in ANY CASE WHATSOEVER. I have seen abuse of power and people will NOT stand up to it. They just let it happen.

    • Is there an independent “ethics” committee to challenge and change policies of the group?
    If there is, I would fall over and die of shock. They have ZERO interest in challenge or change. I repeat: they have ZERO interest in challenge or change.

    • If there are abuses or injustices, what structure exists to correct them?
    They will claim that their methods of reconciliation and peacemaking accomplish this. Rather, these are WEIRD methods and scripts. I was once asked to apologize to the substitute tutor who slapped my child (this was in the “reconciliation phone call”) because it had surprised her to have to deal with it months after she had done it. (In actuality, I had told my director twice in the presence of witnesses, left it in her hands, and then when this did come to light my director lied by saying I had never told her).

    • What do former leaders and members say about the group?
    Yep. We will slowly see more people being willing to come out when they realize they are CUSTOMERS of CC, not church members required to say nothing about wrongs done to them lest it be labeled gossip.

    Also…
    • Does the group do background checks for people working with children?
    I’m very curious if they ever did a background check on me or anyone else. I would love to know this.

    • What measures are in place to prevent child abuse, whether emotional, physical, or sexual?
    I’ve NEVER ONCE heard measures discussed like this. I was the one who brought up and created systems in our community and at the practicum I ran which covered child protection. There may be measure now, but I do not remember seeing them in the 7 years I was there. The only one I know of was that our community asked that a tutor always have at least one parent there in his/her room. But I don’t know if that is CC-wide or was our own community rule.

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  6. • Are questions and doubts permitted within the organization?
    No. You MUST swallow the KoolAid to rise within the organization. Questions mean you are not philosophically on board.

    i.e. Only when you have been utterly broken to The System will you be permitted to advance within The System. Long Live Big Brother.

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  7. Why isn’t this information given to newbies?

    It is the Inner Mysteries available only to the Inner Ring, like Scientology’s R4 Bank/Wall of Fire Engram.

    In Koine Greek, “Occult Gnosis” (Hidden Knowledge).
    And those with that Occult Gnosis are called “Gnostics” (He Who KNOWS Things).

    Why does it take so long for people to get information?
    Why aren’t people being given straight answers to their questions?

    They are not of the Inner Ring of Specially-Enlightened Illuminati.

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  8. Both campuses where we participated DID ask for background checks for tutors, and all parents were asked to be thoughtful of making sure each class had two adults each morning, and we had to pay two nursery workers for only a few kids, so at least at my campuses my directors WERE mindful of these issues.

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  9. I have been very blessed to be part of several Classical Conversations groups through the years. CC operates from a biblical Worldview model and truly lives out it’s Mission “To Know God and make Him known”. I appreciate that they keep the costs low for families and have not had a tuition increase for several years. Yes, directors could be paid much more, but then tuition would have to increase. Grateful this is not the case. Homeschool sports and drama classes cost much more than 24 or 30 weeks of academic tutoring. My students gave been encouraged to ask questions and have learned through the dialectic method of asking the right questions.

    Through a deepening understanding of the Five Common Topics my own kids and I have grown academically and spiritually through the fine art of dialogue. We have never experienced being shut down from asking questions and I so sorry Julie that you experienced that. I am thankful for the 117,000 plus students that are presently enjoying being in a Classical Christian Community. I am sorry it has not been a blessing to you and your family but I am sure you have found the schooling method that has worked well for you. I hope you can find positive encouraging thoughts and ideas to share about what has worked well for your family.

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  10. Sally, I was part of a co-op where moms taught the classes they wanted to teach. We put our kids in classes we wanted our kids in. The only cost involved was materials. It met once a week throughout the school year. In over 23 years of homeschooling, I never paid close to $1,000 for all of my kids combined.

    I have a question for you. Do many large families use CC? I don’t see how CC could have worked with my large family. My little ones always had 2 naps a day. This would be impossible if I had to have all of my kids there all day one day a week.

    Another issue: I heard that you can’t have a child who does not do CC? Is that true? If it is true, I find that ridiculous. Just as you said above, CC is not for everyone, so why should they demand that it’s for all of the children in a family? Each child learns differently. One year I changed everything and bought Calvert School for my daughter because she seemed to need that kind of structure. After that year, we went back to what we were doing before, but she needed the change. It doesn’t sound like families would have that ability to be flexible because of the rigid rules. I hope someone will correct me if I”m wrong on this, but it seems I have read this a few places.

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  11. We have multiple friends whose children have been involved in CC. We have a huge homeschooled crowd of nine children, and CC members have tried to recruit us, particularly when they discovered my wife used to teach in the hard sciences for a major university, but we’ve resisted.

    The central issue we’ve had is not a cult-like mindset or discouragement of questions, as we’ve never gotten close enough to the program to detect that, but rather the supreme arrogance coming from some children trained under CC. I understand some strutting can be expected from teens who haven’t yet been knocked around by life and cut to size, but what we’ve encountered was extreme and wholly unwarranted. We’ve watched sweet kids turn into pompous monsters after some years of CC training, as if they’re part of some elite forces, the intellectual equivalent of Navy Seals. Our children have been told they’re not intelligent enough to handle CC, aren’t being prepped for college, don’t have the fine logical training, are cut from inferior cloth. This has been a theme of our dealings with CC kids.

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  12. You know, Sally Jean, that read just like advertising copy. I ought to know, decades ago, I was in that industry.

    You don’t do your cause any good when you sound all fake and staged like that; all it does is confirm that there may well be a cult mindset with CC. I knew nothing about any controlling or cultic issues with CC before reading this article today, only had experienced the arrogance from a number of children in CC, truly that was my only issue. But now, reading this article, it had me thinking, but then reading your post, that pretty well nails it for me. I’ll assume from this point onward that CC functions like a cult. You confirmed that.

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  13. Hi Julie Anne – Good to know I’m not just imagining things. The arrogance from CC kids and parents has generally been about their superior intellect, as if they’re Plato the great philosopher and Paul of Tarsus, the great Hebrew legal scholar, rolled into one. Sometimes it’s of the Pharisaical variety, as in they’re more spiritual, more holy, than the common homeschooled crowd, and definitely superior to those pagan public schooled kids. The persistent feeling I get from them is we’re just not ready for the commitment that CC requires, not concerned enough to give our children the best, otherwise we’d join in.

    I’ve taught as a FT academic for a decade now, and have colleagues who’ve written multiple books, scores of academic journal articles, with degrees from places like Yale, Duke, Wharton, etc.–you see some attitudes sometimes. But nothing I’ve seen among those people who’ve actually accomplished something academically compares with the smirking pride of many CC kids and their parents. For example, at the reception to my daughter’s wedding a couple years ago, as people were chatting and sipping wine, our old friend with a teenage son stood up, raised her voice, and announced that her CC-trained son was going to entertain us by reciting the speech he was preparing for a competition. This was not planned by us! And of course, this was an event about our daughter and son-in-law. But no mind. At this point, her son launched into his speech before the assembled wedding crowd, which included multiple professors, MBAs, and people with advanced degrees and success in industry. We tried hard not to cringe, I was personally looking for a hole to climb into.

    Our friend has no post-secondary education, and at the time, neither did her son (he has since completed one year of college). There is nothing wrong with not having a university education, that’s not my knock on her, but she used to be humble before she got involved with CC, and her kids were the same. But now we feel that the Boy Wonder is perpetually shoved down our throats. He has been vocal about how smart he is and how lacking in smarts our children are. Nothing, not his poor showing on the SATs, not his average academic record, can shake this confidence. If this is what CC tends to do to people, it’s a wonder anyone would have anything to do with the organization.

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  14. Ok, I think my face turned red in the face from embarrassment at just the thought of this. Unbelievable, yet believable, because I know the arrogance.

    I think what we will be seeing is a bunch of CC-schooled adults who have memorized a lot, but do not know how to use critical thinking skills, do not know how to behave social situations like the one you described. Was there awkward silence at the end? I wouldn’t have wanted to applaud to encourage more.

    Interestingly, my environmental science instructor, a PhD, invited me to his book club a while back (because they were reading a book related to cults). I went and sat among a dozen or so very smart people – all left me in the dust academically. These people were so amazingly humble. What I saw in them was their excitement for me in going back to school at my age. True scholars don’t need to brag. They know they haven’t arrived and there is much more to learn. The difference is that I think CC people think they already arrived and are at the top. What a shame.

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  15. Must admit there was an awkward, but polite and very perfunctory clapping–then people went straight back to the conversations they’d been having, presumably trying to block what had just happened. It wasn’t even a good speech (in fact, it was awful), and it didn’t relate to the event at hand in any way. The mother showered Boy Wonder with effusive praise and then later took us aside and said “Isn’t he just incredible?” I was actually able to agree to that, as I recall. It was, in fact, incredible.

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  16. “Interestingly, my environmental science instructor, a PhD, invited me to his book club a while back (because they were reading a book related to cults). I went and sat among a dozen or so very smart people – all left me in the dust academically. These people were so amazingly humble. What I saw in them was their excitement for me in going back to school at my age. True scholars don’t need to brag. They know they haven’t arrived and there is much more to learn. The difference is that I think CC people think they already arrived and are at the top. What a shame.”

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    I’d suppose you’d be able to educate those highly-educated on cults, they know an expert when they see one. One thing I’ve noticed about very accomplished people is they always want to learn more, and when they see someone like you who’s become an expert, they want that knowledge also. I’ll bet they were glad to listen to you. It’s true what you say, some of the most brilliant people are humble, they’ve learned so much they realize even in their own fields, they could never in a dozen lifetimes understand it all. It’s the ignorant people, the uneducated, the ones who’ve read a smattering of the great authors (without understanding the why or how behind their writing) and memorized some lists and bits of random nonsense and don’t know much who are arrogant.

    I see it all the time, kids come through the doors of this university as freshmen and think themselves special geniuses, just too smart for this place (it’s usually a certain type of boy, by the way, I don’t know why), then leave this place as seniors or with masters or doctorates and feel less sure of their knowledge base than when they arrived.

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  17. I direct a CC community, and your blog here makes me feel very sad that you appear to have been deeply hurt. Thank you for sharing your perspective and thoughts. They are helpful to me, as a CC director. There are many parts of what you’ve shared that have been very different than my own experience. I strive to lead my own community to be a supportive, encouraging, and safe space for home schooling families who are interested in learning about and using the classical model of education, or some variation thereof. The Classical Model, CC, and even the community I direct are not the best or even a good fit for everyone, but I have been so blessed by linking arms with the dear families I’ve befriended through CC and traveling this home school journey together. I pray the same the for you…that you will find your ‘tribe’ and thrive…and that you’ll be able to fully forgive those who have hurt you along the way.

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  18. Rochelle, “The Classical Model, CC, and even the community I direct are not the best or even a good fit for everyone”

    I’m not sure what you really mean by that. I left a church that was very proud of the positions they held that were very factious, and a few people from that church said “our church is not a good fit for everyone”, which means, “not everyone is holy enough or righteous enough to be one of our flock”.

    “you’ll be able to fully forgive those who have hurt you along the way.”

    This reeks of victim blaming and a misunderstanding of forgiveness. I can release people from the harm they’ve caused me but true forgiveness requires those who hurt me to recognize the harm they’ve done and seek the forgiveness that is available. That is what God provides for us – an opportunity to recognize how much we’ve hurt him and seek forgiveness for that. God is not “unforgiving” because he requires us to seek his forgiveness, yet that is how many victims are portrayed even when their abusers have no interest in reconciliation.

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  19. Mark, it’s interesting because both of those phrases you addressed also put up flags for me.

    Rochelle,

    You mentioned:

    The Classical Model, CC, and even the community I direct are not the best or even a good fit for everyone, but I have been so blessed by linking arms with the dear families I’ve befriended through CC and traveling this home school journey together.

    I’m glad you have been blessed, but you seemed to gloss over the fact that CC is not a good fit for everyone. What about those people? Are they given a refund? What happens when CC is not a good fit for a family who has paid? With normal goods and services, you can get a refund or partial refund.

    I pray the same the for you…that you will find your ‘tribe’ and thrive…and that you’ll be able to fully forgive those who have hurt you along the way.

    Rochelle, you are hoping the ones who didn’t thrive will be able to forgive those who have hurt them. What’s missing here is the other side. Since you are a leader, I would hope that a leader would be finding out where they had caused harm and ask forgiveness first. Chances are that if one family was hurt, others also may have been hurt in the same way. When it is brought to your attention that you caused someone else pain, it is time for reflection and introspection – to see if there were perhaps others who were harmed.

    Did you forget to say that part? The burden is not on the hurt family, but on the perpetrator of the harm.

    A quick fyi: I want to make sure it is clear that I was not a former CC member. This article was written by Maria, a former member, and I am hosting the CC series on my blog.

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  20. Rochelle – You sound like another paid advertisement, just a little less polished and fatuous than the first. I’m trying really hard to see a human being there in your post. Did someone send you over here to do damage control? If so, OK, I get it. If not, you are profoundly sanctimonious, condescending and faux-righteous.

    Next time, do your cause a favor and just try to vaguely approximate a human being and not an advertising bot, OK?

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  21. “…and that you’ll be able to fully forgive those who have hurt you along the way”

    The parting slam. Wow. Glad to see it wasn’t just me who thought that was totally inappropriate.

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  25. @Julie Anne
    “Another issue: I heard that you can’t have a child who does not do CC? Is that true?”

    It depends on the circumstances.
    The basic answer is no, it’s not true. As a community member, and even a tutor, you are allowed to enroll or not enroll any number of your children. Last year, as a tutor, I had one child enrolled in the foundations program as well as another child enrolled in a public school. There are many other parents and tutors who do the same.

    The restriction is when you move to the level of Director. Directors are not allowed to have any of their children enrolled in any other “school”. This means if you become a Director, you cannot be enrolled in a charter school and receive public funds. Not for any of your children, regardless if they are enrolled in CC or not.

    This becomes a serious problem in the later grades. In CC, K-6 is one campus with one Director. When you reach 7-12 grades (“Challenge A, B, 1, 2, 3 & 4”) you need to have a separate Director for each grade-level. There is no longer “tutors” in the Challenge program, only the Challenge Director of each grade. This means that if you have a Challenge age child and you want, or need to be their Challenge Director, you can no longer enroll your elementary aged children in a public school or charter; you must give up your funds.

    @Julie Anne
    “Do many large families use CC?”
    There are a number of large (4 children) families in our foundations program (K-6). I don’t believe any of our Challenge (7-12) families had more than one child enrolled. The larger families whose eldest have entered the Challenge program, seem to disappear. The realization of how much this program will ultimately cost appears to be a significant factor, especially considering they will lose their funds if they become a Director. Based on my own “modest” cost analysis; the bare minimum cost to enroll four children K-12 would be $71,639.00 (this is not an exhaustive analysis and does not include onsite daycare, other curriculum, sports or recreational programs, etc.).

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