The Difficult Sundays after Spiritual Abuse

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What does church look like for you after spiritual abuse? Do you still go? What do you do on Sundays?

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Sometimes I don’t feel like going to church at all, but end up going because of my kids or commitments I’ve made. But if I were without children/commitments, I wonder where I would be on those difficult Sundays. Would I stay home? Would I meet with others? Would I try a new church?

What about the guilt? What if your spouse has not experienced spiritual abuse and wants you to go to church, then what?

I found this on Boz Tchividjian’s Facebook page this morning.

“Jesus comes not for the super spiritual, but for the wobbly and the week-kneed who know they don’t have it altogether, and who are not too proud to accept the handout of amazing grace.” B. Manning

How are you doing today?

 

 

190 comments on “The Difficult Sundays after Spiritual Abuse

  1. Well, you’re a little closer, Brenda! Unfortunately, Niagara Falls is a two-day drive from me. .. but good thought, that! Have a great day, ladies!

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  2. TruthDetector

    I like what you say @ JUNE 26, 2014 @ 1:28 PM…
    “The “pastor” thing maddens me. There’s hardly even an explanation of what this “pastor” role is that shows up in Eph 4, and in any event, the role (not necessarily title) only shows up once in the entire NT.”

    Yes – “The “pastor” thing maddens me.” Also…

    The word, “pastors,” plural, is only once in the NT. It is the Greek “Poimen” which means “shepherds.” “Poimen” is 18 times in the NT. “Poimen” is NEVER used as a “Title” for one of His Disciples. And, NOT one of His Disciples EVER called them self “Poimen,” or “pastor-shepherd.” “Poimen,” Shepherd, is used Only Once as a “Title” in the NT. 1 Pet 2:25. And this “Title” belongs only to “ONE” in the NT.

    “The **Shepherd** and Bishop of your souls.”

    {{{{{{ Jesus }}}}}}

    And Jesus, called Himself the “ONE” Shepherd…

    And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
    them also I must bring, and they shall “hear My voice; “
    and there shall be “ONE” fold, and “ONE” shepherd.
    John 10:16

    One Voice – One Fold – One Shepherd – One Leader

    {{{{{{ Jesus }}}}}}

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  3. TruthDetector

    And, in the OT, KJV, “pastor,” is only 8 times. ALL in Jeremiah…
    Six times – God is NOT happy with the “pastors.”

    Here are some verses We, His Sheep, are NOT likely to hear from the Pulpit. 🙂

    Jeremiah 2:8 KJV
    …”The Pastors” also transgressed against me,
    and the prophets prophesied by Baal,
    and walked after things that do not profit.

    Jeremiah 10:21 KJV
    For ”The Pastors” are become brutish, ( beastly, carnal )
    and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper,
    and all their flocks shall be scattered.

    Jeremiah 12:10 KJV
    Many “Pastors” have destroyed my vineyard,
    they have trodden my portion under foot,
    they have made my pleasant portion a desolate wilderness.

    Jeremiah 22:22 KJV
    The *wind shall eat up all “Thy Pastors,”
    (*wind = ruwach = breath, mind, spirit.)
    and thy lovers shall go into captivity:
    surely then shalt thou be ashamed
    and confounded for all thy wickedness.

    Jeremiah 23:1 KJV
    Woe be unto ”The Pastors” that destroy
    and scatter the sheep of my pasture!

    Jeremiah 23:2 KJV
    …thus saith the LORD God of Israel
    against ”The Pastors” that feed my people;
    Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away,
    and have not visited them: behold,
    **I will visit upon you the evil of your doings,**
    saith the LORD.

    And, in the OT, God’s people *go astray* because of **THEIR shepherds.**

    Jer 50:6
    “My people” hath been “lost sheep:”
    **THEIR shepherds** have caused them to *go astray,*

    1 Pet 2:25
    For ye were as *sheep going astray;*
    BUT are now returned to the **Shepherd** and Bishop of your souls.

    I’m Blest… I’ve returned to the *ONE* **Shepherd** and Bishop of my soul…

    {{{{{{ Jesus }}}}}}

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  4. TruthDetector

    I’m with you when you write @ JUNE 26, 2014 @ 1:28 PM…
    “What people who yearn for a pastor need to do is pick up the Bible and read I Sam 8 for themselves, they’ll see themselves in it if they have any sense.”

    Was the idea of having a King rule over the people God’s idea? Or man’s idea? Seems God gave the people kings because they didn’t want God ruling them. Oy Vey! ;-(

    1 Sam 8:7
    And the LORD said unto Samuel,
    Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee:
    for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me,
    that I should not reign over them.

    And how did having Kings turn out for Isreal? My.. My… Tsk… Tsk…

    1 Sam 8:11
    This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you:
    He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots,
    and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.

    Your King will take your sons.
    Your King will take your daughters.
    Your King will take your fields.
    Your King will take your vineyards.
    Your King will take your oliveyards.
    Your King will take the tenth of your seed.
    Your King will take your menservants.
    Your King will take your maidservants
    Your King will take your asses.
    Your King will take the tenth of your sheep.
    and you shall be the Kings servants…

    1 Sam 8:19
    Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel;
    and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us…

    Kings don’t look like such a good idea now, do they?

    And, with my experience with Today’s Pastor/Leader/Reverends….
    Pastor/Leaders do NOT look like such a good idea either. 😉

    Why do WE, His Ekklesia, His Called Out Ones, His Sheep…
    Desire a “Mere Fallible Human” to follow, and be our sheherd?

    When Jesus says He is the “ONE” Shepherd – And…
    MY Sheep – Hear MY Voice – and – Follow me. John 10:27…

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  5. I am not a survivor of SGM, ATI, etc. so I hope it’s OK for me to post here. I *am* a survivor of the Crossroads/Boston Movement, which eventually morphed into the International Churches of Christ. Many of the stories I have read about SGM, Mars Hill, ATI/Gothard are very similar to experiences I have had/heard of in the ICOC.

    I still attend a Church of Christ with my husband and teenage son. My teenage son has autism. The youth group is VERY welcoming to him. We have a good congregation, an excellent preacher . . . and I still cannot seem to get past the experiences I had as part of the old Crossroads movement. I was there between 1981-1986. I also participated in a house church movement that came about as a direct result from wanting to get away from the mistakes of the Crossroads Movement–which turned out to be just as unhealthy as the Crossroads Movement was.

    It seems like everyone believes they are right and can “prove” it by Scripture. And no one seems to want to address that, and no one seems to understand that. It doesn’t matter what the issue, a Scripture can be found to support it or not support it. If I’m supposed to use the Bible as my standard, and everyone can “prove” everything by Scripture, how in the world am I supposed to settle on what it is I am supposed to believe?

    If there’s a Scripture, I probably know it. If there’s a book, I’ve probably read it. If there’s advice, I’ve probably heard it. And I’m not getting any better. Is there no way out?

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  6. Tina

    “And I’m not getting any better. Is there no way out?”

    Thanks for your story – Sorry, very sorry, for what you went thru…

    What do you mean – Can you explain a little more?

    “I still cannot seem to get past the experiences
    I had as part of the old Crossroads movement.”

    “And I’m not getting any better.”

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  7. Tina

    You ask an excellent, and a heart breaking question…
    “everyone can “prove” everything by Scripture,
    how in the world am I supposed to settle on
    what it is I am supposed to believe?”

    Well – Do you want me, Amos, a Mere Fallible Human…
    To tell you what you are supposed to believe?

    Or, would you rather go to Jesus for yourself?
    And hear from Him? Directly? No middle man?

    I believe He, Jesus, would love to speak with you. 🙂

    Jesus loves you this I know…

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  8. A. Amos,
    Wasn’t Samuel a “Mere Fallible Human”? Did all of the people in I Sam agree that he got his words directly from God? What about Paul? He had a run right into the wall meeting with Christ. He was also a “Mere Fallible Human”, yet he was given the ability to performs miracles post crucifixion and resurrection and made an apostle and preached the gospel all over the countryside.

    MY Sheep – Hear MY Voice – and – Follow me. John 10:27…

    This is a marvelous truth, yet this blog is filled with people who have been duped by a dishonest, malicious, abusive church, church leadership or both. Were they not sheep of Jesus when that happened? Were they not sheep when being fed a pack of lies. Not all churches and leadership lie. They are none infallible however. None of us are perfect this side of heaven.

    A couple of days ago you asked, if I would like to have a discussion on a particular passage of scripture. I replied to that discussion. It appears that you are only interested in being hard hearted in conversation..

    By the way pastors/shepherds are not kings. We still have such people running/ruining our countries. They were never a good idea.

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  9. Let’s see, Amos: I was part of a group that claimed they were the only Christians, that strongly emphasized the daily “Quiet Time”, confessing sins to each other, and daily sharing of your faith . . . which really meant, “invite everyone you see to church, even if you don’t know them.” The more people you invited, the more “spiritual” you were considered.

    “Personal fruit” was also important, and “personal fruit” was defined as “someone you studied the Bible with and converted”. I studied the Bible with several people, none of them became Christians. In fact, I can’t point to anyone who’s become a Christian due to my efforts.

    And while it’s not wrong to encourage Bible study, prayer, relationships with others, and evangelism, you were asked very pointed questions about these subjects, and if you did not perform “up to par”, that set you up for some pretty serious confrontations.

    I left there feeling defeated and like I could never measure up to what God wanted. And I still feel that way to an extent. I have some other personal issues I am dealing with: I have a child with autism, I’m concerned about his future, and I went way into debt going to court reporting school, thinking I could get a job to help pay for his care as an adult. I finally quit because I wasn’t making progress and I also hit the borrowing limit for student loans. Also, I’m dealing with a number of health issues of my own: bladder problems, sleep apnea, depression, back pain, adrenal fatigue, and I just found out I have diverticulosis and colon inflammation. Some of the treatments I’m on aren’t covered by insurance. My son also sees a naturopath for his autism, and that’s not covered by insurance, either.

    The Christian phrases that people use, such as “turn it over to God”, “rely on God”, etc. just get on my nerves because I don’t know what you’re doing when you do it. And if you value your life, you will NOT tell me that “God is in control”, because I have had that phrase used on me in a way I felt to be rather dismissive of my concerns.

    It seems like so many of us are in the same boat together.

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  10. And while I’d love to hear from Jesus directly, I’m skeptical that he will talk to me face to face . . . the only route I have to hear from Jesus is through the Bible and through other Christians, and as I’ve already pointed out, everyone believes they are right and they can “prove” it by Scripture. And while God does not lie, people can and do use the name of God and the name of Jesus to lie. I think many of us have experienced that first hand.

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  11. Brenda R

    You write @ JUNE 27, 2014 @ 12:06 PM…
    “A couple of days ago you asked, if I would like to have a discussion on a particular passage of scripture. I replied to that discussion. It appears that you are only interested in being hard hearted in conversation.”

    Please forgive me for – “being hard hearted in conversation.”
    That is NOT my intent – Most of the time.
    Yup – Sometimes it is – Depending on who is on the other end…

    That is NOT my intent with you.
    I have appreciated, and liked, your comments on this blog.

    I will admit to having some strong feelings, and opinions, about “Today’s Religious System.” And what I perceive as, Commandments of Men, Doctrines of Men, Traditions of Men, That Make Void the Word of God. Mark 7:13.

    If you would explain where I was ““being hard hearted in conversation.”
    I would appreciate that.

    Thanks

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  12. Tina

    Thanks for feeling comfortable enough to tell a little more of your story.
    You certainly have a lot of nasty stuff on your plate now.

    And you are correct when you write…
    “It seems like so many of us are in the same boat together.”

    And, I experienced this, and felt like this – You are NOT alone…

    “and if you did NOT PERFORM “up to par”,
    that set you up for some pretty serious confrontations.”

    “I left there feeling defeated
    and like I could never measure up to what God wanted.”

    Yup – That’s how I felt when I left “The System.”

    It didn’t matter how hard I tried, and I tried hard, It Seemed…
    “I could never measure up to what God wanted.”

    But – Now – For me, that is over, finished…
    Today I know – I’m okay with Jesus…
    Because – His Love for me…
    Is NOT based on my performance, what I do, or NOT do…
    It took a long while…
    Lots of questions. Lots of fears and doubts…
    ——-

    Today, I have lots of Hope For You…
    Because you still want to “hear from Jesus.”
    And, Jesus was, and is, the only one that could have loved me, healed me…
    Jesus was, and is, the only one that could have “Healed my Broken Heart.”

    So – Today, I have lots of Hope For You…
    Because you still want to “hear from Jesus.”

    “And while I’d love to “hear from Jesus” directly,”

    “the only route I have to “hear from Jesus” is
    through the Bible and through other Christians”
    ————-

    And it seems your “Spiritual Discernment” is working pretty good now.

    Lots of folks today, In The Religious System, do NOT know this…
    It took me years, many years, to understand this…

    “…and as I’ve already pointed out, everyone believes they are right and they can “prove” it by Scripture. And while God does not lie, people can and do use the name of God and the name of Jesus to lie. I think many of us have experienced that first hand.”

    I’m NOT so trusting of Humans, who call themself christian, as I once was…

    Thanks for joining in the conversation…

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  13. Tina

    You write @ JUNE 27, 2014 @ 10:31 AM…

    “I still cannot seem to get past the experiences
    I had as part of the old Crossroads movement.”

    “And I’m not getting any better.”
    ————

    Here’s a question – Something to think about – To ask Jesus about…
    You can answer or NOT…

    If the cause of you NOT being able…
    “to get past the experiences?” “of the old Crossroads movement?”

    If the cause of you “NOT getting any better?”

    If the cause, reason – Is “Spiritual?”

    What do you think that would be?

    Jesus loves you this I know

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  14. A. Amos,
    It was my observation of your responses to posts since you asked if I would like to have that conversation. I am having an MS flare up. Forgive me if I don’t go back through the posts to find specifics at this point.

    I covet prayer today. I am having a difficult time physically.

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  16. Brenda R

    MS stinketh…

    I pray you experience the LOVE of God, and the Peace of God…
    In the midst of this storm.

    I speak to this MS, this spirit of Infirmity…
    Brenda has been purchased by Jesus…
    With his own BLOOD…

    Brenda belongs to Jesus. She is His purchased possession.
    And you are tresspassing on God’s property.

    Brenda is “the Body of Christ.” It is Christ in Brenda, the Hope of Glory.

    And, MS does NOT belong on God’s property…
    MS does NOT belong on the Body of Christ…

    MS, spirit of infirmity, you are tresspassing on God’s property…
    Brenda does NOT want you anymore…
    GO – In the name of Jesus…

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  17. A. Amos,
    Thank you so much for your prayer. That is the nicest thing anyone has done for me in a long time. I will be joyful in Christ whether he chooses to heal me or not. I have several very good examples around me with far worse conditions all who are smiling and standing faithful through it all.

    I pray that your heart is filled to over flowing on this Lord’s Day.

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  18. Brenda R

    I like your style…
    “I will be joyful in Christ whether he chooses to heal me or not.”

    This was a challenge for me. I had to do this by faith. Be Joyful and Give Thanks. For ALL things. Even through Infirmities, and Pain, and Tears, and Disappointments. Even when I did NOT feel like it.

    1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
    Rejoice evermore. Pray without ceasing. IN every thing *Give Thanks”…

    Ephesians 5:20
    *Giving Thanks* always *FOR ALL Things* unto God…

    Philippians 4:6
    Be careful [anxious] for nothing;
    but in every thing by prayer and supplication *With Thanksgiving*
    let your requests be made known unto God.
    ———–

    Nehemiah 8:1-10
    …for *The Joy* of the LORD is your strength.

    Psalm 30:2-5
    …weeping may endure for a night, *BUT Joy* comes in the morning.

    Psalm 95:2
    Let us come before his presence *With Thanksgiving,*
    and *Make a Joyful Noise* to him with psalms.

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  19. Brenda R

    It made NO sense to MY natural mind. But, the carnal mind is at enmity with God, the carnal mind is death. Rom 8. I choose to *Lose My Mind.* My carnal mind. And trust Jesus. Trust His Word. NOT trust what MY eyes saw. NOT trust MY own understanding. 😉

    2 Cor 5:7
    For we walk by faith, NOT by sight:

    Proverbs 3:5-6
    Trust in the LORD with all thine heart;
    and lean NOT unto thine own understanding.
    ———-

    I made a decision to believe everything that I went thru *Had a Benefit.* Yes, what we call bad stuff, happens. Stuff the brings forth tears and pain. I eventually chose to look for the benefit. To look for God. To LOOK UP…

    Romans 8:28
    And we know that *ALL Things* work together for good
    to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

    Luke 21:28
    …then *Look Up,* and *Lift Up Your Heads; *
    **your redemption** draweth nigh.

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  20. Brenda R

    And, for me, by physically Standing Up, Looking Up, Rejoicing, Making a Joyful Noise, Giving Thanks for ALL Things. Giving Thanks for ALL the UGLY Things. Giving Thanks even with, and through the tears, and the fears…

    “Thank you Lord for the Pain. Thank you Lord for this sickness, this disease. Thank you Lord that I’m spitting up Blood. Thank you Lord I can NOT walk because of the pain in this knee. Thank you for the lies, told about me, the lies told to me. Thank you for the Rejection. Thank you Lord for the pastors that abused me, lied about me, shunned me. Thank you Lord for my friends who abandoned me. Thank you Lord I do NOT even know how to pray.”

    It wasn’t long before I was thanking God that he Loved MEEEEE,
    Saved MEEEEE, Died for MEEEEE.

    Would NEVER leave MEEEEE, Nor Forsake MEEEEEE.

    And, it wasn’t long before I had a merry heart… And…

    Proverbs 17:22
    *A Merry Heart* does good like a medicine:
    but a broken spirit drys up the bones.

    Proverbs 14:30
    *A Sound Heart* is the life of the flesh:
    but envy the rottenness of the bones.

    Psalm 118:24
    This is the day which the LORD hath made;
    we Will Rejoice… and be glad in it.

    Seems, first, WE, His Sheep, His Kids, Will Rejoice…
    Then WE, will “Be Glad”….

    Yes – Remain Joyful in Christ…

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  21. A. Amos,

    You seem to be getting up on the mountain tops through these last few posts. I love it!! Don’t give me too much credit. I am a work in progress, as we all are. It took me a long time to get this far. I lived through a lifetime of abuse and wasn’t truly relying on God to get me through it and had doubts that he would protect me. I spent a lot of time in fear. It was obvious to me that I caused the abuse myself and God hated me. Of course, as a child I could not defend myself or have any idea that it could have been ok to tell someone.

    I absolutely love WisdomChasers quote, “As a broken person repaired by the blood of Jesus I am more beautiful than if I had never been broken at all.” This is how I feel. He is the potter and he can mold the clay however He wants, in His timing, and through whatever means He deems necessary.

    Don’t you just hate it when you get almost done with a post and most of it disappears because your cat steps on your keyboard? Oh, that was just my experience. Most of the time I feel blessed to have her, so I will move on.

    Several years ago I prayed often for God to take me home. It wasn’t His will, I’m still here and my prayers changed to asking Him to fill the broken places in my heart with His Spirit, use me however He sees fit and He has. All of the abuse I went through opened doors for me to tell others that Jesus loves them, they are beautiful, they didn’t cause what happened to them and He can save them.

    Everything, good and bad experiences, refines us for His purpose. I know a man 70+ years who recently told me that he never particularly felt called to do anything until the last few years. Now he looks back and knows that jobs and experiences he had prepared him to teach and witness to teenagers as a substitute teacher. He never went through abuse, but that is not where God was going to use him.

    Have you ever read One Thousand Gifts? The writer wrote down all of the things she was thankful for as she came across them, anywhere from strawberry jam on toast to children. I, like you add the bad things that happen. I wouldn’t have always done this, but I now realize there is so much more that is beneficial than just the good in this life. We have eternity to experience good things alone.

    Now!! About that spitting up blood!! What’s up with that? Pain in the knee? How can I pray for you. I am not so good at the written prayer like the lovely one you wrote for me, but I can spend some time on my knees and would be honored to pray for you.

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  22. “Here’s a question – Something to think about – To ask Jesus about…
    You can answer or NOT…

    If the cause of you NOT being able…
    “to get past the experiences?” “of the old Crossroads movement?”

    If the cause of you “NOT getting any better?”

    If the cause, reason – Is “Spiritual?”

    What do you think that would be?

    Jesus loves you this I know”

    Amos, I’m not exactly sure what you’re getting at in this question. Are you wondering if I have a spiritual problem? Can you give me a bit of an explanation of what you’re getting at? (I know, it’s tough to communicate on the Internet!)

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  23. Tina

    “I’m not exactly sure what you’re getting at in this question.”

    The question in question is an opportunity for you to talk to Jesus.
    To see if you can Hear His Voice. 😉

    If Jesus, can create everything by speaking it into existence, then talking with WE, His Sheep, His Disciples, His Ekklesia, His Church, communicating somehow with WE, His Kids, would, for Jesus, be kinda simple – Yes? 😉

    John 1:3
    ALL Things were made by Him; (Jesus) and without Him (Jesus)
    was NOT any thing made that was made.

    John 1:10
    He (Jesus) was in the world, and the world was made by Him, (Jesus)
    and the world knew Him not.

    Colossians 1:14-18
    In whom we have redemption through His Blood,
    even the forgiveness of sins:
    Who is the image of the invisible God, the first born of every creature:
    For BY Him (Jesus) were ALL Things created,
    that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
    whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers:
    ALL Things were created By Him, (Jesus) and for Him: (Jesus)
    And He (Jesus) is before all things, and by Him (Jesus) ALL Things consist.
    And He (Jesus) is the head of the body, The Church:
    (His Ekklesia, His Called Out Ones, His Sheep, His Church, you and me.)
    who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;
    that in ALL Things He (Jesus) might have the preeminence.

    Psalm 33:6 By “The Word” of the LORD were the heavens made…

    Gen 1:3 “And God said,” Let there be light: and there was light…
    ….. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    Gen 1:26 “And God said,” Let us make man in our image, after our likeness…
    ….. So God created man in his own image,
    ….. in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
    ….. And God saw every thing that he had made,
    ….. and, behold, it was *Very Good.*
    ….. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

    So, if I believe God’s words? The words of Jesus? The words in the Bible?
    Tina, is made in “The Image of God” – And Tina is “Very Good.”

    And, the true nature of Tina, is LOVE. Because God is LOVE…
    And, Tina is made in “The Image and Likeness of God.”

    Maybe you can ask Jesus if you are made in His Image?
    And behold, Tina, is *Very Good.* Tina is LOVE…

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  24. Tina

    You sound like, and correct me if I’m wrong…
    You, Tina, would like “to get past the experiences.” – Yes?
    “of the old Crossroads movement.” – Yes?

    And, instead of feeling like “I’m not getting any better.”

    You would like to be able to say…
    “Hey, thank you Jesus, I’m getting better, I’m healing? – Yes?
    ————–

    In the scriptures I find The Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of His dear Son…
    And Satan, which means adversary, also has a Kingdom…

    Mat 6:33
    But seek ye first *the kingdom of God,* and his righteousness…

    Luke 11:18
    If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall *his kingdom* stand?

    Kingdom – In the Strongs Concordance – is the Greek= basileia
    And means – power, rule, reign, dominion…

    You write @ JUNE 27, 2014 @ 1:33 PM…
    “I left there feeling defeated and like I could never measure up to what God wanted. And I still feel that way to an extent.”

    Which “Kingdom” wants you to feel defeated?
    Which “Kingdom” wants you to feel you can NEVER measure up? To God?

    When you belive the lie you start to die…

    Which “Kingdom” do you want to have, power, dominion, over your Heart?
    Which “Kingdom” do you want to have, power, dominion, over your Life?

    Will you see yourself as the psalmist see’s themself?

    Psalm 139:14
    I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made:
    marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

    Will you see yourself as “Made in The Image and Likeness of God?” LOVE?

    WE, His Sheep, His Kings and Priests, have an adversary…
    Who are WE, listening to?

    Eph 6:12
    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
    against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
    against “Spiritual Wickedness” in high places.

    Will you have an adventure? – Try an experiment? – Will you ask Jesus?

    If the cause of you NOT being able…
    “to get past the experiences?” “of the old Crossroads movement?”
    If the cause of you “NOT getting any better?”
    If the cause, the reason – Is ““Spiritual?”

    What do you think that would be?

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  25. Tina

    Will you come into agreement with God?
    Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

    If – Jesus loves you – Just the way you are…
    Strengths, weaknesses, character defects, sins, and ALL…
    Will you love you just the way you are?

    God demonstrates His LOVE for us…

    Romans 5:8
    While we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

    John 15:13
    Greater LOVE hath no man than this,
    that a man lay down his life for his friends.

    1 John 4:9
    In this was manifested The LOVE of God toward us,
    because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world,
    that we might **LIVE Through Him.**

    1 Corinthians 13:1-8
    Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels,
    and have not LOVE, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal…

    LOVE suffers long, and is kind; LOVE does not envy;
    LOVE does not boast, LOVE is not puffed up,
    LOVE does not behave itself unseemly,
    LOVE keeps no record of wrongs,
    LOVE is not easily provoked, LOVE thinks no evil;
    LOVE Rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
    LOVE bears all things, believes all things,
    hopes all things, endures all things.
    LOVE never fails… 1 Corinthians 13:1-8

    If LOVE never fails, God never fails, because God is LOVE.
    Here we can start to see and understand something of the nature of God.

    God suffers long, and is kind; God does not envy;
    God does not boast, God is not puffed up,
    God does not behave unseemly,
    God keeps no record of wrongs,
    God is not easily provoked, God thinks no evil;
    God rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
    God bears all things, believes all things,
    hopes all things, endures all things.
    God never fails:

    Here you have an opportunity to believe God knew what he was doing when He made you. When He created you in his image. In the image of LOVE created he them.

    Tina suffers long, and is kind; Tina does not envy;
    Tina does not boast, Tina is not puffed up,
    Tina does not behave unseemly,
    Tina keeps no record of wrongs,
    Tina is not easily provoked, Tina thinks no evil;
    Tina rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
    Tina bears all things, believes all things,
    hopes all things, endures all things.
    Tina never fails:

    Yes, Tina, that’s you.

    Please, don’t argue with me, God is the one who said it. He made you in His image. All of what you just read is in you, whether you see it or not. Will you come as a little child, believing? You don’t have to have all the answers now.

    Trust and obey, not think and decide.

    Just read it, again and again. Then pray it, for you, for your friends, even for your enemies. Pray it till you believe it. Pray it till you believe God

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  27. Brenda R

    Me Too… Seems He, Jesus, keeps re-molding this clay. SQUASH, then build.
    “I absolutely love WisdomChasers quote, “As a broken person repaired by the blood of Jesus I am more beautiful than if I had never been broken at all.” This is how I feel. He is the potter and he can mold the clay however He wants, in His timing, and through whatever means He deems necessary.”

    Me Too… I did NOT want to live with the emotional pain. The betrayals.
    “Several years ago I prayed often for God to take me home. It wasn’t His will, I’m still here and my prayers changed to asking Him to fill the broken places in my heart with His Spirit, use me however He sees fit and He has.”

    Me Too…
    “but I now realize there is so much more
    that is **beneficial** than just the good in this life.”

    No – I have NOT read “One Thousand Gifts” – BUT…
    I like the idea of writing down ALL Things WE, His Sheep, are thankful for.

    And what a wonderful “Benefit” 🙂
    “All of the abuse I went through opened doors for me to tell others that Jesus loves them, they are beautiful, they didn’t cause what happened to them and He can save them.”

    Psalm 34:1
    I will bless the LORD at all times:
    his praise shall continually be in my mouth.

    1 Peter 1:6-8 NASB
    In this you “Greatly Rejoice,”
    even though now for a little while, if necessary,
    you have been “distressed by various trials,”
    so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold
    which is perishable, even though tested by fire,
    may be found to result in praise and glory and honor
    at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
    and though you have not seen Him, you love Him,
    and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him,
    you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,

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  28. Brenda R

    And thanks for offering your prayers – Prayer is always appreciated. 🙂
    Today, health wise, I’m doing okay. NO pains, NO medication…
    The knee and the spitting up blood happened 7-9 years ago…

    The knee collapsed one day when exiting my car. Lots of pain. Fell on the ground. Went to everyone I knew who had faith for healing and asked for prayer. Nothing. “Okay Lord, what’s up?” And I hear, “You’ll be okay.” “But Lord, this hurts.”

    Jesus healed a number of things in the past. I was in construction and had Painful back injurys a number of times. And usually they were healed quickly. But NOT this time. The Pain lingered. I walked, hobbled, with a limp for five months or so.

    Now I had to practice what I preached. 🙂 Give thanks in ALL Things – ALL Things work together for good – Rejoice in the Lord always – The sacrifice of Praise…
    I kept thanking God for the Pain – the Infirmity…
    “Lord, there must be a benefit here someplace -BUT – HELP….
    And I kept Praying for healing…

    I was a volunteer for a Mission, 4-6 days a week, feeding folks on the streets and vacant lots in six locations. Anywhere from 80 – 120 folks would show up. We gave away a lot of food And we talked a lot about Jesus. And it was a lot of hard work.

    With the knee injury I would still drive the truck but when we got to the location I would sit on a folding chair we carried for the elderly and the hurting. Other folks would un-load and do the hard work. And, now, these folks who I had served, and prayed for, and loved, and ministered to, for three years – Well, they would now come over and ask to “Pray for MEEEEE.”

    Tears, then and now, as I remember and write…
    I experienced LOVE in the midst of the Pain – Someone cared about MEEEE.

    One day, a black lady, Mel, in her 70’s, 80”s, took a public bus to get to that vacant lot, to get some food, to get some Jesus, walks over to me in the chair and asks what happened. I told her.

    Then she asks, “Can I Pray for you, I have FAITH.”

    She names three or so, serious diseases, where she was NOT given much hope, and says “I did NOT have a good report. BUT GOD healed me.” I said, “Sure, please pray for me.” Then she lays her old, weathered, wrinkled, hand on my knee and Prays. I do NOT remember what she said, BUT, I remember the tears…

    NO, the Pain did NOT go away that day – BUT…
    I experienced LOVE in the midst of the Pain – Someone cared about MEEEE.

    I had NO health insurance then. A friend offers to pay for me to go to a doctor. He was tired of watching me limp around. 😉 I told my friend, “Thanks, BUT, Let me ask Jesus first.” I have nothing against doctors, doctors have helped me in the past. BUT, now I ask Jesus if I should go to a doctor. I go back to my friend and say, “The best I can understand is, NO I do NOT need a doctor.” He says, “What if your knee becomes permanently damaged?” I answer, “Well, I guess I’ll walk with a cane or a crutch, because ALL I Have Is Jesus.” “And He said I’ll be okay.”

    It was a couple of months later and one day I notice – NO Pain…
    Just got up one mourning walking around and – NO Pain… 😉
    For five months I thanked God for the Pain, the benefits, the LOVE…
    And saw nothing – Then one day – BUT GOD….

    I have been that Broken Clay Pottery – Repaired by the Blood of Jesus…
    And now Jesus asks me to “Trust In Him.”

    Trust in the Lord with ALL your heart
    Lean NOT on your own understanding.

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  29. Amos,
    It is a blessing that we agree on so much. Isn’t that the way it should be between brothers and sisters in Christ? I am glad that all of your pain is in the past. Your testimony is a beautiful one. Having the opportunity to do mission work is a dream come true. I’m sure you enjoyed it much more than construction. For now the Lord has me in a secular job with a Christian boss. What a blessing. Some days his Dad comes in and we can have a revival right here in the office.

    Putting total trust in Jesus makes everything better. This may sound silly, but I am going to tell the story anyways. A couple of years ago, because I am a klutz I stubbed my toes on a chair leg. Instead of being the old me and sitting their crying and feeling sorry for myself, I repeated several times, “I will praise Your name in all things, I will praise Your name in all things…etc”. It is amazing how quickly pain will go away when I put my thoughts on God and less on me.

    I’ve got to tell you that since your wonderfully worded prayer the other day, I have felt better than I have in a while. You are now in my prayer journal, just because.

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  30. Brenda

    Yup
    “Putting total trust in Jesus makes everything better.’

    NOPE
    “This may sound silly…” – NOPE – NOT silly to me.
    I’ve had similar experiences. Said almost the same things, even thru tears…
    “I will praise Your name in all things,
    I will praise Your name in all things…etc”

    Yup – Many Times
    “It is amazing how quickly pain will go away
    when I put my thoughts on God and less on me.”

    Isa 26:3
    Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace,
    whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

    Psalm 16:11
    Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy…

    When WE, His Sheep, keep our minds on Jesus WE, His Kids, are in His Presence, and, WE, have Peace and Fulness of Joy.

    When WE, His Sheep, experience Peace and JOY, WE, have a Merry Heart…
    And, a Merry Heart does good like a medicine. (A cure, a healing.)

    Pro 17:22
    A merry heart doeth good like a medicine…
    but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

    And the bones are part of our immune system…
    From the marrow of our bones comes, White blood cells, Red blood cells…
    When our hearts are NOT Merry our immune system is compromised.
    And, NOT many today escape a Broken Heart, betrayal, rejection, fear.

    In My Experience, Often, sickness and dis-ease starts with a Broken Heart.

    BUT GOD… Jesus, He came to heal the Broken Hearted…

    Psalm 147:3
    He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.

    Luke 4:18
    The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
    because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;
    he hath sent me **to heal the brokenhearted,**
    to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind,
    to set at liberty them that are bruised…

    And when our broken hearts are healed our immune system works for us…
    NOT against us… 🙂

    And – The Only “ONE” who can heal a Broken Heart – IS…

    {{{{{{ Jesus }}}}}}

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  31. Amos

    NOT many today escape a Broken Heart, betrayal, rejection, fear.
    I don’t know anyone who hasn’t experienced at least one of these. I don’t think anyone that has managed to get through High School could escape these things.

    In My Experience, Often, sickness and dis-ease starts with a Broken Heart.
    Sometimes more than sickness. How often have I heard of a happily married couple who passes days or even hours of the other. In an unhappy or abusive marriage it is more of a slow death (the spirit broken) that begins with hope and ends in no longer having a grasp of the person you once were.

    My immune system attacks itself. It isn’t for or against me, it doesn’t like itself. But I get what you’re saying. People who wouldn’t otherwise be sick can be when their focus is on unhappiness and not focusing on the Savior.

    I do so love the scriptures that you site here. Jesus repairs every crack in our broken hearts. Blessed be the Name of the Lord, the Great I AM.

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  33. I was a pastor for 10 years. That’s right, was. The last church I served in fired me without notice. Well, there was notice, just not to me. Several people knew well before the Thursday they let me go. Including the guy who worked in the youth ministry “with” me. He had been there for the last 3 youth pastors before me, and they were all let go, putting him back in the drivers seat once again. In return for my saying I had resigned, they offered me a severance package dealt out over the next few months, so I wouldn’t tell anyone the truth that I was fired (in my severance contract, if I said I was fired to anyone they had the right to cut my severance). I can only see it as hush money. Well, being a youth pastor in today’s financial world, they very well knew that I had no money saved up due to the very low “just serve The Lord” pay check I received every week. It was very well played. In the end, it looked like I abandoned the students and the church, while the truth being just the opposite. I’m done with “church”. I gave my heart to this place who constantly told me “God is at work here!”. Yet, it turned out to be I was taken in by used car salesmen. I do love The Lord very much, but can’t even muster the effort to visit any church, but if I do, I find myself inwardly judging every comment made in the sermon. Do I know I’m bitter? Yes. Do I think “church people” are insincere? Yes. Do I believe that the Word of God is better than what’s being portrayed at most churches? Yes. Am I angry at God for allowing this to happen? No, not at all. I just choose to not associate with people who have been programmed into the “club” that the local church has become.

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  34. Past Pastor Matt,

    Welcome to SSB. Reading your story made me so angry – I can’t imagine living it. I can’t blame you for not wanting to go to church at all. I’m so sorry to hear of your experience. Each Sunday I am opening the blog to connect with others. Here is today’s post. We welcome your presence. It’s for you and people just like you (and me) who have been hurt at church. So many of us have that in common, sadly. I’m glad you stopped by to share your experience, Matt. ~Julie Anne

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  35. Julie Anne,

    I’ve been meaning to email you my story privately, but at this rate, it might be a bucket list item. 😉

    We’re in our third season of “not attending church” right now. I miss the singing of hymns, and fellowship I had many years ago. But I don’t miss the neglect, the being ignored, the difficulty of breaking into a clique, fake mask wearing, the leaders who don’t care, the broken promises, the blaming of our children’s special needs on us, and the extreme difficulty of simply trying to have a single meal with other people who claim to be Christians.

    We have had church at home with just our family a few times, and it has been very good, but it has been difficult to do regularly.

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