Franklin Graham, Learn to Discern, Troubling Tweets

Learn to Discern: Franklin Graham’s Tweet on the Outcome of the Presidential Election

Franklin Graham, Twitter, Spiritual Abuse


 

I would like to discuss this tweet without making it political. I find it spiritually abusive, but not because it has to do with Trump winning. Look within the message. What can you find here that is spiritually abusive?

 

143 thoughts on “Learn to Discern: Franklin Graham’s Tweet on the Outcome of the Presidential Election”

  1. “Mark, I’ve said al along that politics don’t belong on this thread, yet you keep bringing up other politicians. I’m asking you to look at this tweet without thinking politically.”

    Yet you endorsed such with Gov Pappy’s tweet. How is posting his tweet keeping politics out of it? So Katy is a Klansman or Neo Nazi because of her vote? Maybe Pappy can answer that.

    Think of this, too. Every single person who goes around saying, “there but for the grace of God, go I” is using the same foundational view of God that Franklin is touting. Is that spriitual abuse, too?

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  2. Oh lydia00,
    You are too funny! And no, I can personally testify or ‘stand my ground’ as I live in the man’s world here, that I’m not a klansman/woman or a neo Nazi (although my former generational kin fought against and for Hilter – a great family division there, many of whom were blinded by foolish propaganda).
    And I also don’t feel that I spiritually abuse people because I have been saved by the grace of God through our LORD Jesus Christ. Was saved in 1994 after living a Christless pagan life and desire never to return to such mire.
    Although lydia, I am reminded every day of the dung heap of sin of which Christ Jesus saved me from. So if our LORD chose to put all of us here on Julie Anne’s blog, in a room to share with one another and witness to one another, I dare say, that we may all leave the room after breaking bread and fellowshipping as they did in the Book of Acts…..that we may all walk away actually loving one another.
    I am convinced!

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  3. @David Cho and Julie Anne

    The last place I want to be is on Julie Anne’s wrong side. Yes, I called David Cho a troll, but simply (and only because) of the little piece he had written in a comment about rewriting the Bible (it was unexpected, and perhaps I overreacted to it). My calling him a troll had NOTHING to do with politics, as I feel a naked hoot about politics or politicians. And if JA says David Cho is not a troll, then he is not a troll; and that’s good enough for me. I do apologize, David (and Julie Anne). I was wrong in calling you that.

    And, Katy, I am happy that you’ve found a new healthcare organization. Ultimately, let’s always keep Matthew 6:25-34 in mind.

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  4. Like I have suggested and hasn’t been disputed, If Graham favored Clinton and Clinton won the election, I don’t think the author of this thread would’ve felt Spiritual Abused with Graham’s Tweet.

    Mark, that is a wrong assumption. Graham is a pastor and and a public Christian leader. I have a problem with any Christian leader, especially pastors, who use their platforms in a way to coerce people to vote a certain way or to believe their political way.

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  5. Folks, I lost my healthcare this year, ending December 31st.

    I’m so sorry, Katy. That is rough. Happy that you’ve found something!

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  6. Thank-you Boston Lady and Lea……there was a poster here awhile ago that made reference to seeking out a Christian alternative, perhaps it was shy1’s comment that proved to be so helpful. And also, appreciate the Matthew 6:25-34, another genteel reminder to ponder and live by.

    It’s good to let our God, speak for Himself, through His Words as this blog provides that reminder through His faithful sheep. Grateful for your words of encouragement, the LORD knows that there was a great need today. Blessings to you folks.

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  7. “Mark, that is a wrong assumption. Graham is a pastor and and a public Christian leader. I have a problem with any Christian leader, especially pastors, who use their platforms in a way to coerce people to vote a certain way or to believe their political way.”

    Yet. Boz did it on twitter and you supported it.

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  8. Julie Anne,,

    You are correct about making assumptions,, the timing of this silly political tweet and Graham’s association with Tullian Tchividjian, must’ve been a complete coincidence.

    This thread has many contributors that didn’t vote the same and personally I can see why anyone who didn’t vote for Trump be “annoyed” by Graham’s dumb guffy tweet,, but not spiritually abused. Graham isn’t the only preacher exposing his guffy opinions.

    Graham’s silly, annoying tweet was very political, which isn’t uncommon by preachers, liberal or conservative.

    I can completely see someone being annoyed by that tweet, yes of course, spiritually abused,, no, not even close.

    Julie Anne, your Blog has been an invaluable resource to me and the way you and I endured spiritual abuse was by preachers that embraced the same hyper-theology who also embraced sinful methodologies and the cruel way they force fed their doctrine to some, while over-looking behavior of those that didn’t question their hyper-doctrine.

    I’m sure, you could’ve found a non-political tweet of Graham’s just as annoying and arrogant and made a big write up on it,, but you chose a political one,, and declared his Pro-Trump political tweet as spiritual abuse and that is why I made that assumption,,

    David Cho’s newly fabricated bible verse fueled fire to my assumption.

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  9. Grateful for your words of encouragement, the LORD knows that there was a great need today. Blessings to you folks.

    To you as well! I’ve been avoiding the political threads like the plague so I’m glad I popped in just for this.

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  10. Julie Anne,,

    I’m not sure if you realize how sensitive I am when it comes to Spiritual Abuse,, I didn’t sleep for 3 years praying and trying to understand what was happening to our little church. You actually helped!!

    Anything political is touchy to me,, which is why I’m taken back by that political tweet being exposed by that particular Preacher.

    I’d like to emphasize that I’m sure, you could’ve found a non-political tweet of Graham’s just as annoying and arrogant while exposing real abuse and made a big write up on it,, but you chose a political one,, and declared his Pro-Trump political tweet as spiritual abuse and that is why I made the assumption this was more political as many on this thread is mentally distraught with Trump’s election.

    David Cho’s fabricated bible verse didn’t help

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  11. @Mark and Boston Lady,

    I apologize for the tone and language of the rewrite of Galatians 5:23.

    It was not directed at anyone in this thread or even Trump supporters. It was directed at Christian leaders who conflate rightwing politics with Christian faith. It was directed at those who view their rightwing political views as the only worldview in line with Christian biblical values If that does not reflect your worldview, it simply does not apply to you. Even if it does, I could have had chosen my words better. Franklin Graham was the primary target of my criticism.

    @Daisy
    I appreciate your research, but nobody that you have uncovered approaches anywhere near the stature of Franklin Graham. The Evangelical community in terms of political leanings is skewed overwhelmingly to the right, and I think you agree.

    Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are not even considered Evangelicals, and besides Rachel Held Evans, I have not heard any of the names you have uncovered. Trust me, I keep up with trends in Evangelicalism. While I appreciate their effort to untangle the Evangelical community from right wing politics, they are outfunded and outnumbered. They are spitting into the wind. So I don’t know how in anyone’s mind, that the likes of Rachel Held Evans somehow negate Franklin Graham’s demagoguery and the left and right are equally culpable in politicization of Evangelicalism.

    That said, l am not on board with much of what Rachel Held Evans does. She too is politicizing the faith.

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  12. @David Cho:

    Thanks, apology accepted, but it’s already in the past, David. Forget about it. Let’s concentrate on the abusers and the abused and the damage these evil abusers do (in all its despicable flavors), and let’s support this site, one another, and expose the abusers, but exalt one another in Christ. Things are tough (even horrible and unbearable) David, for many of us, and that’s why we are here.
    Hey, I make more faux pas than a five-legged, left-footed, clumsy djit.

    Blessings to you over the festive season.

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  13. David Cho,,

    I apologize to you as well for not only being so defensive but also my selection of words toward you and others and maybe even putting any input in the first place.

    If this thread wants to isolate a really guffy political tweet then I should’ve turned a blind eye and stay silent even if I think there are other non-political tweets that are just as arrogant.

    Graham’s political leanings may be the same as mine, I’m sure Julie Anne’s old Pastor O’Neil’s is the same as well. But to me their political views and opinions when it comes to politics and faith, have nothing to do with abuse,

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  14. @ David said I appreciate your research, but nobody that you have uncovered approaches anywhere near the stature of Franklin Graham. The Evangelical community in terms of political leanings is skewed overwhelmingly to the right, and I think you agree.

    Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are not even considered Evangelicals, and besides Rachel Held Evans, “… That is irrelevant. They are famous Christians (the flavor of which matters not). And they are left wing. And they promote liberal candidates.

    Left wingers, both secular and Christian, are just as pushy and obnoxious about politics as right wingers are – maybe even more so, because many liberals claim to be “tolerant.” They are anything but.

    At least right wingers don’t run around stating they are uber-tolerant, multi-cultural, and support identity politics. Those things are not at the core of conservatism.

    I think conservatives like to see similarities among people and unite them, rather than play the liberal game of “how are we all different” and divide everyone.

    Liberals enjoy playing “Victim and Oppression Olympics” with each other, and it’s very strange to watch.
    For example, I’ve seen black and white liberal secular feminists get into fights on social media over who has things worse, black women or white women?

    I asked above: do you WANT there to be a left wing equivalent of Franklin Graham? I sure don’t.

    Many left wingers are hostile towards Christianity or faith in general (except oddly, they will defend Islam, and Islam is by and large harmful to women).

    Left wingers and many Democrats do not like evangelicalism or traditional values, which is probably why you do not see as many left wing equivalents to Franklin Graham.
    By and large, a sizable number of Liberals / Democrats are anti-Christian bigots – which is no better than a Christian like F. Graham conflating God with politics.

    _Democrats Boot God From Convention Platform_ – Sept 2012

    Democrats heckle preacher during opening prayer – via Fox by Ted Starnes, 2015

    They [Democrats at Democratic convention] literally heckled the poor lady [Hillary Clinton] – booing and jeering right in the middle of her petition to the Almighty.

    At some point the jeers turned into chants for Bernie Sanders, “Bernie, Bernie…”

    To be clear — they were not chanting the name of Jesus Christ the Savior — they were chanting the name of Bernie Sanders the socialist.

    They turned a moment of quiet meditation and reflection into UFC Fight Night.

    Was it too much to assume the Democrats would show a little bit of reverence?

    Then again — I was at their convention in 2012 — when they not only booed God — but they tried to vote the Almighty out of their party platform.

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  15. Correction. I said above:

    They [Democrats at Democratic convention] literally heckled the poor lady [Hillary Clinton]

    That should read:

    They [Democrats at Democratic convention] literally heckled the poor lady [Rev. Cynthia Hale – who was praying in support OF Hillary Clinton] ….

    Also, my block quote tag did not work above.

    David’s quote ended at, “and besides Rachel Held Evans…”

    While my comments started with,
    “That is irrelevant. They are famous Christians (the flavor of which matters not). And they are left wing. And they promote liberal candidates.”

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  16. @Boston Lady and Mark

    No problem. Here is to productive dialogue in the future.

    @Daisy, I think you missed my point about left wingers of Franklin Graham’s prominence.

    As to the “left” being hostile to Christianity, the left is hostile to the conservative brand of Christianity just as the right is to the liberal elements of Christianity. It’s really the left hating on the right and visa versa. So I vehemently disagree with the Christians vs liberal dichotomy peddled by the right.

    Look at it this way. You disagree with people like Jesse Jackson on policy issues. That does not make you racist (even though some misguided leftwingers would like you to think that). Disagreeing with people like Franklin Graham does not make you anti-Christian. Do you get the analogy? When I am critical of rightwing Christians, my criticism is directed at the rightwing part, not their Christian faith.

    As a side point, I used to be on board with rightwing politics. I am very familiar with and used to be in agreement with all the talking points in your posts.

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  17. @DavidCho:

    For those of us old enough to have endured the apocalyptic hysteria of the 70’s, and 80’s and read best sellers like “The Late, Great Planet Earth” by Hal Lindsey, Russia was supposed to be the mortal enemy of Israel and God (War of Gog and Magog). Has biblical prophecy changed now that the leaders of the Religious Right find themselves enamored with Russia and Putin?

    Remember when the Mormons ceased to be A Cult Cult Cult when Romney defeated all the God’s Anointed Next Presidents in the 2012 primaries and cinched the GOP nomination as The Great White Hope?

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  18. @Mark:

    That is the thing I don’t like about clergy exposing their political views, is they think because they are clergy that they have better political insight about who they think is the right candidate and are confident in their position they can proclaim it, whether they are Dem or a Pub.

    “If you vote for someone just because your favorite rock star says to, you’re dumber than we are!”
    — Alice Cooper (from memory)

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  19. Headless,,,,

    lol,, sometimes with the undecided voters who doesn’t understand what their candidate economically or socially believes in, the rock star might be their only barometer.
    -Mark

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  20. @Headless Unicorn Guy

    Remember when the Mormons ceased to be A Cult Cult Cult when Romney defeated all the God’s Anointed Next Presidents in the 2012 primaries and cinched the GOP nomination as The Great White Hope?

    Yep. What Headless Unicorn Guy is referring to.


    Billy Graham No Longer Thinks Mormonism Is a Cult

    When Franklin Graham was asked about the removal:

    Franklin Graham Was ‘Shocked’ to Find Mormonism Is a Cult Article on BGEA Site

    “Shocked”? Really? I have always been taught that Mormonism is a cult. Remember Kingdom of the Cults by Walter Martin?

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  21. Marsha,

    You are so welcome! I truly believe those who label women as jezebels are actually engaging in their own “self fulfilling prophecy.” These strong words which are meant to tear down and not edify what so ever, are used by weak individuals when they feel threatened or are losing an argument; in Christianese terms, its’ called “a debate.”

    And to date, every individual that has used the “jezebel threat” in my neck of the woods has been “caught” in a sexual sin all of their own making. And you have just as much of a right to speak and have your views as any other within the context of humanity……Please never stop speaking Marsha, you are valued!

    David C,
    Thank-you for pointing out the hypocrisy with the Grahams, it’s there in black and white. The history of Billy Graham actually involves bringing all religions into that one worldview through subtle ecumenism. It’s like that conservative church down the road who claims to have the truth market on Jesus, yet practices Hindu yoga within the confines of its walls. Thus, jesus then becomes a hindu guru designed to give us a spiritual high through kundalini spiritism. Pretty scary stuff!

    And at the end of the day here, Julie Anne is actually “right.” Religious leaders, especially those who are garnering vast amounts of income/mammon resulting from religion, actually have no voice in speaking for our LORD. God has already saith.

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  22. Katy,, This election was painful for a lot of people,, I’m not suggesting Graham’s political wasn’t guffy and a tad bit arrogant and being insensitive toward those who didn’t support Trump, but I don’t see the abuse,

    One of the hidden things I see (or assume) by Julie Anne isolating Graham’s tweet, is that he essentially supported Trump and that is another reason for those who didn’t vote for Trump, to not like Graham.

    And really, that is what I’m seeing is America, there are a lot anti-Trump voters being prejudicial toward those that voted for him.

    But there are a lot of us who voted for Trump, who won’t admit it,, this is the only forum that I have.

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  23. One of the hidden things I see (or assume) by Julie Anne isolating Graham’s tweet, is that he essentially supported Trump and that is another reason for those who didn’t vote for Trump, to not like Graham.

    Mark, you are assuming too much once again. The reason I have issues with Franklin Graham have nothing to do with Trump. You keep talking about politics and voting and my reasons for posting tweet this have nothing to do with politics, but the way he pigeonholed people to only have his narrow opinion. Read Gary W’s comment on why he thinks Franklin is spiritually abusive. I did a very in-depth post about Franklin and his handling of Saeed Abedini. I’ve learned a lot about him in the Saeed case from people who dealt with him personally. It was not good.

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  24. Julie Anne,,

    Graham’s tweet in this instance was a political one,, as he clearly exposed his political view. (at least he did to me)

    I know you have stated that is not your intent to politicize, a political tweet.

    But it is still a political tweet he fabricated that caused you to do a write up.

    I can see how a political tweet like that could frost someone’s cookies if they didn’t like Trump, (heck I didn’t like it either and I voted for Trump) as it was a silly political tweet that was “insensitive”,
    (especially to those who are going through real trauma, because of Hillary’s defeat)

    I’d like to isolate the word “insensitive” as it is a quality many abusers have a lot of. Maybe that is where you are seeing the abuse.

    Maybe what I see is that dumb political tweet annoying the h*ll out of us, more than I see abuse.

    This is your blog, and I appreciate you taking a little time and allowing me to state my opinion even though we disagree.

    I don’t follow Graham, as much as you do, I’m sure there are far more arrogant tweets or words he said that aren’t political in nature.

    Dem and Pub Preachers use public forum to expose their political preferences and they aren’t exactly being sensitive to those that disagree or how we feel when they do it..

    Does that mean when clergy expose their political views, in an annoying way, whether they support Hillary or Trump, are being Spiritual Abusive?

    I don’t think exposing political views have a place when it comes to spiritual matters, because they often collide and create division, nearly as much as abortion among Christians who support Roe V Wade and those that don’t.

    How Graham handled Saeed,, is far more note worthy in my view, than you exposing Graham’s guffy political tweet, which in this case may have added fuel to the fire to anyone who is distraught over Hillary’s defeat. Especially if one cried or was angered on election night.

    Anything political, can be very emotional by itself,, look at the woman in Ohio freaking out on Dec 19th when the electors had to cast their vote for the voters of Ohio.

    I fail to see annoying and arrogant political tweets by someone we don’t care for, compared to real abuse practiced by Saeed Abedini. But I can see Graham’s being even more super annoying to you, by his political tweet because of his handling of Saeed.

    I did read Gary W’s comment.

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  25. Mark,

    Franklin Graham is a public figure. We should not evaluate the tweet at hand in a vacuum. We should considered the source as well as the context. He is an insufferable political hack for the far right and the tweet is just a tip of an iceberg.

    Even Graham’s defense of Saeed Abedini has rightwing politics written all over it inline with his anti-Islam/Iran narrative. Pictures of his time in Iran emerged which appear to contradict his account of mistreatment and brutality. Has Graham or Abedini offered an explanation? I doubt they even care. They discard anything that does not serve their political agenda.

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  26. David C.

    That political tweet may have been “insensitive” but it was not Spiritual Abuse,,

    There is enough to talk about Graham’s defense of Saeed Abedini than focus on whether Graham embraces rightwing politics or whether or not you embrace leftwing politics..

    By exposing a political tweet and thereby exposing his political view in a forum where there are a fair amount of followers who may embrace political views contrary to his and who may have experienced trauma, cried and angered by Hillary’s defeat, may have discovered a brand new form of abuse fabricated out of thin air, based on political ideology,,

    David, you only solidified my opinion about Graham’s odd political tweet,, when you emphasized that it is in fact Graham’s defense of Saeed (among other things) that is the real targeted issue, at hand.

    Graham’s political views may actually be a distraction, but also give additional cause for left wingers on this thread reason to be more infuriated,, based on a political tweet that was insensitive.

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  27. I disagree, Mark. Graham is a pastor and a spiritual leader. When he uses his words to a vast audience, he is speaking as a spiritual leader. He is asking whether Trump was elected because of Russians or God. He allows for no other decision and so if you have another decision, the implication is that yours is wrong.

    Again, take politics aside, he used his position as a spiritual leader to imply that God put Trump in office. So in essence, he’s speaking for God. That is spiritual abuse.

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  28. Graham appears with Donald Trump at a “thank you” rally

    “I don’t have any scientific information. I don’t have a stack of emails to read to you. But I have an opinion: I believe it was God. God showed up. He answered the prayers of hundreds of thousands of people across this land who had been praying for this country,”

    And yes, Mark. I’d be just as appalled if Graham appeared at Hillary’s rally and said the same.

    Julie Anne is right. I heard a speaker giving an analogy in describing spiritual abuse. One day his two young children were fighting over a toy. After arguing over the toy for a few minutes, the older son said to his little brother:

    “Mom and Dad said I can have it”

    The kid’s Mom and Dad never said that. But instead of making a case for himself, he put words in Mom and Dad’s mouths.

    Franklin Graham is no better than that child. Actually, what Frank Graham does is an egregious violation against the commandment to take God’s name in vain. He is throwing around God’s name to fit his own agenda.

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  29. David, that is absolutely spiritual abuse because it says that God only answered the prayers of those who voted the way he – Franklin Graham, wanted. Again, this is not a partisan issue. ANY pastor or spiritual authority who claims that God showed up or answered their prayers for WHOMEVER they voted for is using their spiritual position inappropriately. They are in essence saying that they have a direct line with God that no one who voted another way did not have. That is so wrong. If Graham was pro Hillary and said the same thing if she won, I’d still be calling him out.

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  30. Julie Anne,

    To me it was clear his political preference in that political tweet or political thought.

    I’m not so sure he was speaking for God but instead referring to God’s word, as there is scripture that explains where the source of power comes from, whether the leader is good or bad.

    As a matter fact, the morning of the election, I accepted the outcome as God’s will based on John 19 10-11 on whoever won the election and was actually at peace with it.

    In John 19:10-11 Christ rebuked Pilate for his arrogance for not recognizing where the source of his authority came from.

    10 So Pilate said to Him, “You do not speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You, and I have authority to crucify You?”
    11 Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”

    Graham’s political tweet was political rhetoric and insensitive and based on God’s word, redundant, because in my mind he exposed political preference, it was not spiritual abuse.

    Now if you consider all preachers Dem or Pub, exposing their political preference as Spiritual Abuse, that would be consistent.

    It would surprise me that Graham’s political tweet would’ve been on your radar screen if he didn’t get mixed up with Saeed (among others) based on what David C. just wrote to me.

    If you consider all clergy Dem or Pub, exposing their political preference as Spiritual Abuse and not just isolate Graham’s political tweet it would seem a more consistent approach..

    Some clergy won’t always name name’s, they’ll just isolate a flaw by the obvious candidate they dislike or isolate a strength of the obvious candidate they like,, maybe it happened to you, in you church,,

    I don’t even know who my pastor voted for or didn’t vote for and I’m glad. His messages didn’t have anything remotely close to having isolated flaws from any candidate. I sense he is moderate leaning maybe slightly liberal,, doesn’t matter.

    Now if you know who your Pastor didn’t vote for, a pastor who accepted a calling by God, a pastor in the political know with God,, would that be considered Spiritual Abuse?

    I would find it difficult to think a clergy exposing a political tweet like that as Spiritual Abuse, whether Clinton or Trump won.

    -Mark

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  31. David C,,

    There are many Dem and Pub preachers across this country that expose their political views, which I have repeatedly said it is a bad idea.

    If you consider any preacher exposing their political likes and dislikes or exposing political tweets and political rhetoric as Spiritual Abuse and not isolate Graham at least you would be consistent.

    You already explained to me your real beef is Graham’s mishandling of the Saeed issue,, you mentioning that Graham is a right winger is another issue you had.

    Graham’s political tweet was in my opinion, a right winger making a political tweet.

    -Mark

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  32. Now if you consider all preachers Dem or Pub, exposing their political preference as Spiritual Abuse, that would be consistent.

    I do not consider all preachers who air their political preference as spiritual abuse. Not at all.

    It would surprise me that Graham’s political tweet would’ve been on your radar screen if he didn’t get mixed up with Saeed (among others) based on what David C. just wrote to me.

    You are wrong. I have been following Graham far longer than since covering the Saeed situation. I have long believed that Graham uses his position as spiritual leader to control others to follow his teachings and political positions.

    If you consider all clergy Dem or Pub, exposing their political preference as Spiritual Abuse and not just isolate Graham’s political tweet it would seem a more consistent approach.

    Once again, you are not understanding me. Franklin Graham does far above just exposing political preference. David C. posted another quote about how he uses his public position to claim he hears from God more than others, that he has inside information, and there is a clear implication that those who do not follow his ways (politically) are not being godly.

    Some clergy won’t always name name’s, they’ll just isolate a flaw by the obvious candidate they dislike or isolate a strength of the obvious candidate they like, maybe it happened to you, in your church.

    My pastor did not name any names. He did not try to impose his political opinion on his congregants. If he had, he would have heard from me.

    Now if you know who your Pastor didn’t vote for, a pastor who accepted a calling by God, a pastor in the political know with God, would that be considered Spiritual Abuse?

    Only if he used his position to control or manipulate people to “his side.” A pastor is to shepherd, not to tell people who to vote for or use wording to shame people who didn’t vote the “right way.” Frankly, a pastor should not be discussing politics, but should be preaching the Word of God.

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  33. Julie Anne,,

    As I suggested earlier:
    I’m not so sure Graham was speaking for God but instead referring to God’s word, as there is scripture that explains where the source of power comes from, whether the leader is good or bad. Maybe one of the reasons he made that tweet was a lot of protests’ and freaking out after the election and now the Dems are blaming Russians.

    As a matter fact, the morning of the election, I accepted the outcome as God’s will based on John 19 10-11 on whoever won the election and was actually at peace with it.

    In John 19:10-11 Christ rebuked Pilate for his arrogance for not recognizing where the source of his authority came from.

    10 So Pilate said to Him, “You do not speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You, and I have authority to crucify You?”
    11 Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”

    In your extensive research of abuse and doctrine Graham may have been popping up,, long before and courting candidates of his choice,, the part of campaigning I don’t like.

    I’m glad that your pastor doesn’t use timely messages during the campaign season that target a specific topic, like how he could vote for a certain person who is a certain, and then ignore the other character flaws that are just as toxic. It would be even better if he was so neutral (like my pastor) that you don’t know who he voted or didn’t vote for.

    We had someone in our church fill in behind the pulpit 2 weeks before the election who did just that, not naming names, but clearly critical of Trump and giving Clinton a free pass as unfortunately he unconsciously exposed his party affiliation.

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  34. Mark, if you follow Franklin Graham long enough, you can understand the fuller context of the tweet. It is because of that knowledge of how he claims to believe that his way (Franklin’s ways) are always God’s ways, and thus, anyone who disagrees with Franklin, is disagreeing with God. In the fuller context of all of his words (I also follow him on Facebook), he is still a spiritual abuser. And please notice once again, it has nothing to do with politics, but the way in which he uses his position of authority to say his ways are the right ways, the only way to believe if you are a Christian. This is toxic.

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  35. I don’t question Graham’s questioned past or his ability to emphasize or verbally “force feed” his will.

    The basis of this political tweet,, is because of his personal faith and probably the bible verses like the one I shared to you. John 19:10-11

    There is so much rhetoric in the media floating around after the election about Russians, Protests and “He’s not my President”, Hillary supporters being traumatized, that causes certain Preachers, Clergy and Political figures to expose their political views.

    I can see how a political tweet like Graham’s frost your cookies, especially if you didn’t vote for Trump. I saw a lot of rhetoric on the other side that supported Hillary and it frosted my cookies, but I never consider it Spiritual Abuse.

    I have a liberal retired Preacher facebook friend with with probably a thousand friends who daily posts annoying far left rhetoric views..half the time and the other half exposing his spiritual views,, I don’t consider that Spiritual Abuse. but I do think he is being inconsiderate to the friends that he knows don’t appreciate it.

    I also think Graham’s political tweet is inconsiderate like my liberal facebook friend’s postings.

    I also agree with your assertion that preachers have a “it’s my way or the highway” arrogant swagger.

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  36. Julie Anne; for a second I thought you’d written “ham in the church.” I’d be there! Just say when! Darn, then I saw you’d written harm.
    Now, if only I could find a mistletoe and a ham (I mean a man) to kiss, then I’d be happy. Dear Lord, I hate this time of the year.

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  37. Julie Anne,, I didn’t think I was going to change your mind, but I appreciate the dialogue.

    I read an interesting piece on a preacher that I have admired for years, though I haven’t followed in the last decade (the 2 towel man) TD Jakes using his Pastoral to influence support for Hillary.

    Like Graham, Jakes is able to use his calling, using spiritual insight to justify his ideology as way to influence the “flock”.

    I don’t like what either Graham or TD Jakes are doing, because it is divisive, but because it doesn’t directly impact me, other than their attempt to either sway an election or champion the results as being arrogant (like we can’t think for ourselves),, I still can’t see abuse,

    Thanks,,,

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  38. @Kay:

    Agree with Sister. They all want to stay relevant so they can write books. Guess Franklin will say that anyone that dares to question Trump questions God.

    Above and beyond angling for a Kingmaker’s night in the Lincoln Bedroom, is Franklin planning to make an enormous graven image of The Trump and have it come to life to decree that anyone who dares to question The Trump…?

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  39. @KAS:

    I’m afraid I think the reference to the Russians is a hangover from the cold war and the need for an enemy. The Soviet Union has gone.

    The USSR is gone, but it’s successor state under President and Autocrat Putin remains as a rival with its own ideas on Manifest Destiny.

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  40. @BostonLady:

    Julie Anne; for a second I thought you’d written “ham in the church.” I’d be there! Just say when! Darn, then I saw you’d written harm.

    Well, there ARE a lot of hams in the pulpits…
    (Or on Twitter…)

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