SSB Sunday Gathering – September 6, 2014

Spiritual Sounding Board  – This is our place to gather and share in an open format.  Feel free to join in the discussion.

 Photo: Kenai river
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This is your place to share your church struggles and concerns.
Let’s also use it as a time to encourage one another spiritually.
What have you found spiritually encouraging lately?
Do you have any special Bible verses to share, any YouTube songs that you have found uplifting?

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Psalm 139

 You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body

and knit me together in my mother’s womb.

Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex!

Your workmanship is marvelous—how well I know it.

 You watched me as I was being formed in utter seclusion,

as I was woven together in the dark of the womb.

 You saw me before I was born.

Every day of my life was recorded in your book.

Every moment was laid out

before a single day had passed.

 How precious are your thoughts about me,* O God.

They cannot be numbered!

I can’t even count them;

they outnumber the grains of sand!

And when I wake up, you are still with me!

Psalm 139:13-10

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Photo credit: Meagan Varela, Kenai River, Alaska

18 comments on “SSB Sunday Gathering – September 6, 2014

  1. Thank you for this reminder that this world is NOT my home. The passing through is often like walking on hot coals. As I struggle to love my adult children, who were raised in a religious cult called ATI, with doug phillips sprinkled heavily on top, I know they are really rebelling against the phony outward standards. They do not have a grace filled picture of God. I have asked for forgiveness many times, but as they make adult choices I see the choices they are making and they break my heart. Ultimately they will answer to Him and not to me, so I need to find a way to bite my tongue, the last lecture from this parent has happened, I just need to extend unconditional love, which I have struggled to know all my life.

    I am grateful for this place to meet with others who know the longing in my heart to truly KNOW God, and not a bunch of rules to live by. I reflected on the “Come unto me ye who are weary laden and I will give you rest. I heard it quoted in the Message version. Initially I recoiled, because it was not (HORRORS) KJV…and then the beautiful TRUTH swept over me and I wept for you. It is not the version; it is the Holy Spirit breathing LIFE into the words, that connected with my heart turned toward GOD. All those sermons on versions of the Bible, are chaff…it is the Holy Inspired Word that I need, not a system for raising my children, Alas I know God will complete His work..not me…so I will trust in HIM! Amen.

    Bless the Lord Oh my soul and forget not all His benefits. May He bless you all this day with His special presence in your lives.
    Love in HIM<

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  2. Deb,
    It is hard to watch your children struggle no matter how old they are. I didn’t do a good job of presenting God to my children, now 2 of the 3 don’t want to hear me speak of Him at all. For that I will have to give account one day and let me tell you, I’m not looking forward to it. With that being the way it is my prayers have changed. I now pray that God will send them the person or group they will listen to. It doesn’t matter who or how as long as they turn to Christ and experience the Living God and not the rules that man has made up. All we can do is love them and pray that Jesus will shine through us. I was also raised on only the KJV and have read different versions. When it came down to it, I found that I really like the KJV the best. There were just some scripture that meant more to me in that translation, John 3:16, Ps 23. I use my NIV for my Bible study group because it is easier to follow along and I really like my Message Bible when I just want to keep it simple. The message bible was the first one I heard preached against from the pulpit in the 70’s. You’d have thought the devil himself and written it.

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  3. JA,
    I really love the photos you have been coming up with. I could imagine sitting along side that river today.

    Do you know anything about Craig Groeschel? If not, that might be a good thing, since most that we talked about on SSB are not good guys. I listened to a sermon of his yesterday that for the most part I was into. He made a couple of comments that went against the grain, but I haven’t found a pastor who doesn’t at one point or another. In this sermon he described courting, marriage, the wedding night in a way that I very much liked. I thought if he could clone a few men as he was describing them, I’d like to be 20 again and find one of them.

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  4. Brenda, I too love the picture! Deb and Brenda, I think one of the hardest things for a mother is to not be able to discuss God with their adult children. Fortunately, your kids will have many opportunities in life to meet Him. I believe when they encounter a need, they will be compelled to Christ. However, they may not want to discuss it with you. How do I know? I am a daughter who met Christ in college. Shortly after, my mother had an experience with God. Like everything she does, it was bigger, better, louder and more perfect. At 86, she is considered a super-Christian, mighty prayer warrior and lives in a very narrow, safe and entitled world. Growing up, my parents were in our town’s elite and loved to party.

    Suddenly things changed when they “got saved” and they were then high up in the “Christian” society. When I got married, they served no alcohol at my reception to “show” our town the “Christian” way. I don’t drink so the no alcohol didn’t bother me, it was her focus on public appearance instead of the wedding that I hated. I’m in my 50’s and my mother is still bigger than life and she still cannot “see” my heart. We are very different and her “inability to see” outside her world crushes me at times. I can’t be that intimate with my mother in matters of faith, or it will crush my soul. She is not the bad guy and I know she loves me, but she can be a stumbling block for my faith. I love her and will talk about faith in a limited way, and that will have to be enough. Of course mother-daughter relationships can be complicated even with great love. Again, she is not the bad guy, but we view the world differently and she can not tolerate that.

    Everyone’s situations are different, but I want you to know that God will find a way to woo your children to Him. It may not look like you expect it to, but you did plant a seed. I am a mother and I recognize my imperfections will not thwart God’s purpose for my son’s life. I don’t agree with all his choices, but that is ok. I hope my words aren’t hurtful. I guess I want to let you know that whatever issues you have had with your kids(and we all have issues!), I am sure your unconditional love reflects God to them in many ways. They may not recognize this, but you have prepared them for when they do encounter their Creator. My mother’s love prepared me for that and for that I will always be grateful. Ann

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  5. Ann, Thank you so much for your kind, uplifting words. My daughters tell me I was a good mom and still am, my son is another story entirely. I apologize often for not keeping them in church the way that I should have. For not reading the bible often enough and preaching them to pray on a consistent basis. I have to turn them over to God and pray they will not harden their hearts beyond the point that they cannot be reached. Our children are only borrowed for a little while. They belong to God.

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  6. Brenda, you are amazing! Your son will find his way! No Bible, no church, no preaching. He just needs your love ( and if appropriate, strong boundaries). He has so much crap distracting him right now in his world. Each person has their own season! The only true commands are love The Lord with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself!
    He may be angry or disinterested in what you have to say, so just listen with an open heart. You don’t have to agree, but you can permit open dialogue . Only rule, no shaming the other person! 🙂
    Your only response needs to be true embracing love and reflecting back the goodness you see in him . If he acts ugly, cut it short. There will be another time to just listen to his heart without judgement. That is the God I have encountered.
    Most of all it does not reflect bad parenting!!! You love you kids. The hard part it about not making it all about you (and your failures), but about your son and the value he has with God I’m this world! Believe me, all moms feel guilty, buy in the big picture—-We Rock!!! I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Your friend, Ann

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  7. I just have to comment here. To Brenda. We have six grown children. We were in church every week. Sunday school. Chrstan school. Small group. Youth group. Our boys rebelled agai st church.. Eldest son had a Paul on the road to Damascus experience 7 years ago. Became a true believer and s raising his kids in the church in a healthy way. Questioning everything. Son number 2 has a mental illness, but can quite Scripture still. Son number 3 is the most interesting. He says the only thing he holds against us is that we made him go to church and attend Christian School until he was 14.

    We as parents do the best we can with what we know. God alone has the power to change hearts. Right now I just work on relationships with all six and don’t even bring up God unless they do

    One daughter got into the Bill Gothard/Doug Phillips cult and is reaping the consequences of that.

    Hang in there. God IS in control.

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  8. Thank you all for your support. No, I try not to mention anything to my kids unless they bring it up any longer. The youngest is 27, but I don’t change my habits when I am with them. I read my Bible and pray before meals even at restaurants, which they feel awkward about, but I don’t.

    Can anyone tell me if the stories I have heard about R C Sproul, Jr are true or hear say? I read online when bringing him up on a yahoo search that he promotes wife spanking and blanket training and believe I read about it on SSB as well. Is there a list anywhere that has these guys known for this sort of teaching? Our Ladies Bible Study at church is about to do a book by Sproul on Believing God. If this is indeed confirmed, I cannot sit under this man’s teaching.

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  9. There is a thread right here on Sproul, Brenda.
    I do think it is important to distinguish between him & his father of the same name.

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  10. Brenda, the Sproul, Jr. article I posted was based on 2 commenters who shared their personal story on another blog and also my private conversation with a leader who confirmed that it is being taught amongst the men in Sproul’s group. The point of the article was to identify that I have heard that men are promoting this to other men and to be aware of it. I was pretty clear that only the witnesses can vouch for the veracity of their stories.

    But when you look at the structure and function of errant Patriarchy – where men put themselves in a mediator position between God and their wives, where men are telling other men to “get control” of their wives, women are referred to as rebellious wives, doesn’t it make sense that wife spanking could easily be the next step of “getting her in control?” These patriarchs are putting their wives on the same level as their children in hierarchy, They already spank their children and even adult children for getting “out of line,” it would be easy to send the “rebellious” wife to the bedroom to get disciplined, too. (I feel like I need to wash my hands after typing this garbage.)

    I know of no such list, btw.

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  11. JA, I got it. I was just wondering if there was more evidence that could be shared. I want to be able to clearly articulate why I won’t be taking part in the study of his book.

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  12. Well, there just isn’t going to be much concrete evidence (the man I spoke with told me that the teaching is done in heads of households meetings verbally), it’s not something that men are going to advertise publicly. I believe this kind of thing is going on, I do not believe it is prevalent, but to the wife who endures it, it is monumental and that’s why I posted about it. I also posted an article about a man who is in prison due to spanking his wife because he thought it was his job to discipline her.

    With regard to Sproul, Jr., and looking for a reason: he’s Patriarchal (that alone would kill it for me), he was defrocked by his denominational for spiritual abuse and instead of resolving things appropriately, he went off and started his own group of churches.

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  13. With regard to Sproul, Jr., and looking for a reason: he’s Patriarchal (that alone would kill it for me), he was defrocked by his denominational for spiritual abuse and instead of resolving things appropriately, he went off and started his own group of churches.

    More than enough for me.

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  14. Wow

    Enjoyed reading the commenters here…

    What a great bunch of MOMS on this thread…

    Loving Jesus – Loving their children…

    What a combo…

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  15. BTW – that picture I swiped (with permission) from Meaghan – who was also part of the lawsuit by our former pastor. This was from a trip to Alaska. It’s absolutely gorgeous.

    PS – feel free to send me pics so I don’t have to scrounge around! 🙂

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