SSB Sunday Gathering – August 31, 2014

Spiritual Sounding Board  – This is our place to gather and share in an open format.  Feel free to join in the discussion.

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This is your place to share your church struggles and concerns.
Let’s also use it as a time to encourage one another spiritually.
What have you found spiritually encouraging lately?
Do you have any special Bible verses to share, any YouTube songs that you have found uplifting?

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As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther.  But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.

When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them.  Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.”  Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.

Luke 24:28-35

 

Photo credit: Raymond Ernst, Bayou in south Louisiana 

172 comments on “SSB Sunday Gathering – August 31, 2014

  1. NT Wright did not say this approach was an absolute to loving and understanding Christ. He was telling us what last advice might give his children, who are believers, to better know Jesus. He suggests rereading the Gospels. He suggests imagining oneself as a character in these Bible scenes. (He does not use the word actors.)

    I can very well imagine myself with Jesus’ followers. Had I been born in that place at that time, I hope I indeed would have been with them.

    The Bible often uses metaphors to get across a point and that is what Wright is doing here. Are we participants in the ‘great drama which has Christ at his Center?’ Yes, absolutely we are! We were not there at the cross, we did not follow the Jesus two millennia ago, but Jesus died for our sins too and was resurrected and our belief in Him makes us part of the family of God. We ARE part of the greatest story ever told.

    I understand that you don’t see it the way I do but I find this video beautiful.

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  2. Marsha,

    I never said NT did say that please reread my comment above.

    And, thank you for understanding that I just don’t see the video or NT’s teachings the way you do!

    I no longer want to be decieved by what appears to be beautiful – and no I am not referring to the video!

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  3. I do find it very interesting how we can be so passionate about the use of our imaginations yet show no passion for someone who is intentionally being publicly made fun for a couple of days…….when someone does speak up they are only further egged on……..while attempting to teach about Christ on another thread.

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  4. “We are not shadows of our future self. ”

    Do you have a reference for that so I can get where you are coming from with it? As I understood something similar I have heard him say concerning that is we are not the perfected version we will be in our glorified bodies when the earth is redeemed.

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  5. “I can very well imagine myself with Jesus’ followers. Had I been born in that place at that time, I hope I indeed would have been with them.”

    I have often wondered if I would have had the guts to be one of the women mentioned at the beginning of Luke 8. That was scandalous for that time!

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  6. “I no longer want to be decieved by what appears to be beautiful – and no I am not referring to the video!”

    I totally get this and understand where you are coming from. We are each in different places.

    And I apologize to Q for my offenses. It is a bit shocking to be accused of being so stupid as to fall for occultic like practices from such a benign video. Ten years or so ago, it was all the rage in the blogosphere to accuse emergent Christians of this with yoga, meditating on scripture, etc. Lecto Divina and all that. Brendan Manning was their occult practice poster boy. So was Richard Foster and some others…..the Merton guy. Dallas Willard was even cited a few times!

    Q linked to someone I had read years before who was in the forefront of this. I honestly think I have been around too long. :o)

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  7. “Objection? No objection, Just asking for clarification. There are only two ways to interpret the Bible: Redemptive Historical, which is of the Reformed tradition, or Grammatical.” (PPT)

    Maybe, if your goal is to interpret “the Bible.” But what if you just want to interpret Jesus?

    Or rather, what if instead of interpreting the Bible as an infallible inerrant set of words dictated to the writers directly by the Holy Spirit, you want to interpret it as a testimony to Jesus Christ? To Jesus Christ the teacher, not the divine whipping boy who barely existed and did nothing but take our whoppin’ for us so we can sin like Calvin and still make it to heaven.

    I think what NT Wright is saying (but what he has to be careful about and can’t come out and say in plain terms) is: Stop interpreting the Bible through the lens of Paul. Stop interpreting the Bible according to the “Redemptive Historical” method in which Jesus is nothing but a divine whipping boy. Start taking seriously what Paul never took seriously, Jesus as teacher.

    I used to read a blog called Vridar or Vidar, something like that. Its run by an atheist who’s a mythicist. He believes that Jesus never existed. And why? Because he’s convinced of the numb-skullery of Protestant “scholars” who say the Pauline Corpus was the first Christian document written and the gospels are much later than Paul. Based on this, Neil Godfrey, and his atheist followers, believe that Jesus was originally just a myth, a phantom crucified not on earth but in heaven by demons, because Paul doesn’t say anything substantial about Jesus’ life on earth and never quotes any of his teachings. This kind of view is popular among atheists.

    But if we take the gospels seriously, and don’t buy into the lie that they’re some late addition and Paul is the real deal, then we avoid such nonsense. If Jesus as teacher came before Jesus as some pre-existent “logos” (which is obvious since Christianity came from Judaism) then Jesus’ teachings must be real and historical and matter. If Jesus as rabbi came before Jesus as demigod, then his teachings must matter. Turning Jesus into God Himself via the Trinity took the teachings of Jesus away from us (ironically) because it brought forth the idea that he didn’t mean to teach anything but only to save us all by his own action, no free will, no cooperation on our part, just monergism. Also ironically, Paul himself doesn’t call Jesus God but only says “God was in Christ, reconciling the word to himself” which is a totally different idea, and allows for an adoptionist christology in which Jesus was a mere man with nothing of the divine in him prior to receiving the Spirit at his baptism. You know, the view of the Nazarenes, Ebionites, Sabelius, Paul of Samosata, Nestorius, and Marcellus, not to mention Praxeas, and a whole host of “heretics” who didn’t get on board with the Trinity when Rome snapped its fingers.

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  8. I don’t know why I mentioned the Trinity thing, but I guess its because historically the only people willing to question the Augustinian premises (original sin, predestination, monergism) were non-Trinitarians. This is true both before (all the names I listed) and after the reformation (the Socinians). Has it actually changed? Many Trinitarians may be questioning Calvinism, but they don’t seem to get too far, because the doctrine of the Trinity seems to alway lead back to monergism somehow. I’m not sure I’ve figured out why, but I think its because it makes Jesus’ humanity fake…makes his freewill fake by making him God in a strict sense…..thereby also making our humanity and freewill fake.

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  10. I am bummed too.

    He promoted unbiblical practices in the video, if I were him, I would want the video gone also.

    I hope it is still floating around somewhere as it is good evidence.

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  11. Unbiblical to imagine yourself as a character in a Bible story? Thinking about what it would be like to converse with Christ? Alrighty then. You and I will have to agree to disagree.

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  12. Amen, Julie Anne.
    Can you imagine being at Jesus feet during the sermon on the mount, or Mary learning at His feet, the Samaritan Woman, when we are in Heaven casting our crowns at Jesus feet. There is a lot of good stuff to meditate on and imagine.

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  13. “He promoted a type of Ignatius Contemplation”

    Oh please. All these practices everyone is always railing against are so vague and undefined. They’re nothing but names. There is no substance there. Just a meaningless buzzword. There’s no such practice, only a phrase to describe what doesn’t exist.

    As to imagining yourself there in the biblical story….if you never do that, then you are a DOCETIST, PERIOD. I mean seriously. And this is the problem with Calvinism: they believe in Jesus like they believe in Batman. He’s nothing but a comic book character to them. They don’t see it as real history. And why not? Because they don’t analyze whether its realistic or not, which requires putting yourself in the story, as it were, to say “hmmm…what would I have thought of this if I had been there? Would I have bought that argument? Would Jesus’ answer to the question have satisfied me?” etc. etc.

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  14. But a quick google search shows “Ignatius Contemplation” is “Imaginative Prayer” where you pray backwards, i.e. let God pray to you. You imagine a scene from the gospels, and believe that whatever hits your imagination is God praying to you, giving you a revelation. Only an idiot would be so stupid. Imagining the story and trying to make it make sense historically, via logic, is totally different from some mystic mumbo jumbo where you think God is praying to you.

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