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Six brothers from a large homeschool family were arrested for allegedly sexually violating their younger sister for 10 years. Parents, John and Nita Jackson, were also charged for failing to report. Two of the brothers were members of Scott Brown’s (NCFIC) Hope Bible Church.
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Six North Carolina brothers were arrested last week for allegedly sexually molesting their younger sister for over a decade, beginning when she was 4 years old until she was 14 years old. The names of the brothers are Eric Jackson, 27, Jon, 25, Matthew, 23, Nathaniel, 21, Benjamin, 19, and Aaron, 18. The charges include statutory rape, sexual assault, and rape. The young girl is currently 16 years old. The young men belong to a homeschool family with 11 children. At the time of the alleged abuse, they were living in North Carolina and two of the brothers were reportedly members of Scott Brown’s church, Hope Baptist Church in Wake Forest, North Carolina.
The men’s parents – John Jackson, 65, and Nita Jackson, 54 – also were charged with felony child abuse and released after posting a $15,000 secured bond. Tilley said they were charged because they were aware of the abuse and failed to take action. (http://hamptonroads.com/2014/05/six-nc-brothers-accused-abusing-girl-over-decade)
Scott Brown has had very close ties with the now defunct Vision Forum Ministries and recently fallen Christian Patriarchal leader, Doug Phillips. Brown also heads up National Centers for Family -Integrated Churches which was originally connected with Vision Forum’s ministry. Church Elder Dan Horn also has similar connections with Vision Forum Ministries.
The church elder said he took Eric in December 2012 to speak with detectives and added he would have contacted investigators if Eric hadn’t agreed to do it.
“We believe their repentance is genuine,” Horn said.
Note this book authored by both Scott Brown and Dan Horn, which was published by Vision Forum Ministries in 2007.
Eric Jackson, 27 yrs, allegedly reported the crimes to church elder, Dan Horn. Two of the brothers were members of the church, the rest of the family is not. My source has told me that the two brothers became convicted of their sin and felt the need to confess to church leadership. That is when Horn acknowledged the sin and show of repentance, but also said the crimes must be reported to authorities.
PilotOnline.come interviewed with Dan Horn, an elder from Hope Baptist Church:
Horn said Eric and his brother, Jon, are both members of Hope Baptist Church. He said Jon also is cooperating with investigators.
The church elder said he took Eric in December 2012 to speak with detectives and added he would have contacted investigators if Eric hadn’t agreed to do it.
“We believe their repentance is genuine,” Horn said.
(Source)
This is an interesting story in many ways. While there are connections with Vision Forum Ministries, it’s interesting to note how this sex abuse case was handled. This young girl (clearly a minor) was allegedly abused around the same time as Lourdes Torres-Manteufel. She was in a large and most likely Patriarchal family. When word got out to church leaders in this case, they acted promptly. We did not see the same swift response in the Doug Phillips situation at Boerne Christian Assembly.
But there are some red flags that cannot be ignored. When a homeschooling family is isolated from neighbors, with very little connections, abuse can go on unnoticed for years. What a tragedy. Please pray for this young girl who has a lifetime ahead of her trying to make sense of why her older brothers and parents allowed her body to be used in such a despicable way.
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Related article:
- Six brothers charged with abusing girl for more than a decade in N.C., WVEC.com
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6 Brothers Charged With Sexual Assault of Sister While Parents Looked On
- 6 brothers charged in decade-long sexual abuse – this is a local station with two interviews: one with Sheriff Tilley, the other a phone interview in which you can hear the voice of church elder, Dan Horn.
- Six brothers accused of sexually assaulting sister for years; parents allegedly knew and did nothing
When the brothers turned themselves in, most of them were emotionless.
“The first kid, it seems to be like a relief, but even when they came to turn themselves in last week, it was like, ‘We’re here.’ I don’t think they know the magnitude of what they’ve done because I don’t think they knew it was wrong,” says Sheriff Tilley, “They haven’t been taught any differently. I’m not sure when that’s going to sink in exactly what they were doing was wrong.
- Suspect confessed after hearing the gospel at Wake Forest church. “Most of the children in the family are now grown, but a younger brother remains at home, likely in Colorado, said Tilley. The victim, now 16, was placed in the custody of an older half-brother in Colorado, he added.”
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So Scott Brown and Dan Horn knew that this girl, who lived two hours away (Perquimans County) had been raped for years by members of their church and they did what exactly to intervene and protect her when they found out in 2012, months before these perps actually wound up in jail?
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Scott really shouldn’t use photos which put him in the left side of the frame. I guess that he didn’t learn from “cinematography expert” Phillips that this conveys a sense of the sinister.
From what I have been told, not all families are treated the same way at the Hope Baptist community, and not all responses to allegations of sexual abuse are handled like this. But then, some are more equal than others. And perhaps things there have changed.
Sad.
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This is from Eric Jackson’s FB page in August of last year:
“Forget about filling your mind with wickedness from the Chronicles of Narnia and the Lord of the Rings and read things worth reading”
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Disturbed,
From the 2 articles I read and phone conversation with a source, it sounds like Horn reported it when he found out. It would be interesting to find out what discipline measures (if any) the church took. December of 2012 until now is quite a long time. I’m wondering if civil authorities removed the daughter from the home? There are so many questions I have.
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Surprise, surprise. Taking a stroll down Eric Jackson’s Facebook page, you can see familiar names: Voddie Baucham, Rushdoony, Calvin, Kevin Swanson, Gary North.
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When is enough going to be enough. I am so sickened by all this major dysfunction .I am so grateful for the disclosure from SSB, HA, Recovering Grace and all the others who are disclosing all the evil that has been done to innocent children
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Leslie – If you take a look at Eric’s Facebook page (he’s the eldest of the 6 who were arrested), you can see who his influencers are. Why is it always the same Patriarchs? Ugh!! So Horn got it right and reported early, but it still doesn’t excuse the fact that Patriarchy oppresses young girls and women.
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Put Scott Brown and Doug Phillips in a bag and shake them…
Either way they are one in the same on the scumBag meter and it pegs high.
Personally I would toss the bag off the Neuse River bridge.
Anyone having slimy Scott Brown speak or going to hear him is very naive, or very suspect.
The site Ephesians 5:11.wordpress.com was started by a person of great integrity that has exposed Scott and his manipulative scheme for what it is. Scott Brown a legitimate elder ? LOL, sure just like Al Sharpton & PORN actor John Bobbit ( of severed penis fame) are ordained ministers. At least they aren’t self appointed elders like Scott Brown. Start a church in your basement and declare yourself Lord Ruler Supreme while pursuing guru status in the Land of Bumbling, Naive home schoolers. Sounds like something out of Sir Geffro Botkin’s 100 year plan.
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Personally I just don’t get why people don’t see through these clowns. Why would you take your family to a church in some wackjobs basement. Especially one like Scott Brown. The guy has a very long HORRIBLE reputation. Why trust him ?
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This entire movement needs to be shut down, it is rotten to the core. Is anyone familiar with the Lockwood family? Homeschool missionary family with 12 kids living in Mexico. That patriarch has just confessed to major sin and the family is now forced to leave their home in Mexico and return to the states. One scandal after another this movement is breeding nothing but brokenness. Christ is not in any of it.
I have really had to take a step back from all of this, it’s just too painful.
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Did anyone see this? http://aattp.org/christian-homeschool-dads-get-girl-kicked-out-of-prom-because-they-cant-stop-lusting-after-her/
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Taunya, I am livid. I really am. I am so with you, sister! I read about the missionary family in Mexico and also the prom one. I’m just disgusted by all of this under the guise of “Christian” Patriarchy. It is pure evil.
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From what I have seen in my own family , the ones who have bought into it are very naive, trusting and gullible. My ATI daughter is a very sweet woman. When I asked her forgiveness about 9 months ago for introducing her to IBLP and adding that I hoped we had taught her critical thinking skills, she said we had and she thinks for herself. I don’t think so.
I am thinking about posting my experience in the mid 70’s. How this started and the regrets on how it has ended for some of my family.
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I would hope that the young girl has been removed from the home. The article didn’t say
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Sorry to be hogging the blog space, but I am furious. Christians seem to think that we have to be so nice. Not offend anyone. Trust our “Authority”. Whatever happened to being Christian Warriors. Thinking of the old hymn ” Onward Christian Soldiers marching as to war. With the cross of Jesus going on before”. The Apostle Paul was not a wimp. I think it is time for Chrstians to be warriors and stand up for the victims.
I will now get off of my soapbox.
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Matthew’s facebook shows that they were in CO for a time. One of the news reports said the family fled to CO to avoid arrest, but did eventually return. https://www.facebook.com/matthew.jackson.794
Nathanael’s fb page: https://www.facebook.com/nathanael.jackson.167
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Leslie, keep ranting and stay on your soap box. That is righteous anger. I’ve been spewing that same anger on Twitter.
And if you were thinking of sharing your story publicly, I’d be happy to post it in an article.
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Laurie – I read and heard that, too. I was told that when the family heard about the son going to authorities, they left to Colorado.
In the article I added as a “related link,” they discuss that the children had poor education. This is another problems with no oversight in homeschooling. Some parents are good and want the best for their children, others will neglect their children’s education. I also read they are anti-government. No real shocker there. That’s what we’ve been fed from HSLDA and homeschool conventions for years.
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Aaron’s facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/countryfun.jackson
yes. Julie. NC’s homeschool laws are very lax. Families register and that’s it. Supposedly parents agree to have their children tested every year but there is no manpower to check it. Parents are supposed to keep their own attendance records. Homeschoolers Anonymous has done a really good job of presenting a case for accountability in homeschooling. It bothers me that these kids have little to no contact at all with mandated reporters. Even the pastors… not a great reputation for reporting abuse. And the pastors don’t think “spanking” for “discipline” is abusive, even if multiple “spankings” happen daily and the number of “swats” is high.
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At least two of the brothers refer to the movie Indoctrination on their Facebook pages (by liking the movie, the producer, etc): http://indoctrinationmovie.com
This is clearly a family who has been “indoctrinated” with Vision Forum-type ideology, Reconstructionism, Patriarchy. Little sister was an easy target, especially at the age of 4 years old.
At the age of 4, my little girls holding dollies, twirling in their dresses watching the skirt dance around them, playing with their toy kitchens. The precious little Jackson girl at the age of 4 was being used to satisfy her big brothers’ sexual desires while parents looked the other way. I just about threw up typing this. I am so disgusted by Patriarchy.
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How incredibly sad and heart breaking. Angering too. Very angering.
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This type of sick, perverted gratification took place at Homestead Heritage, too. Homeschooling is not necessarily a safer environment for children. In fact, I’m convinced that Patriarchy ensures that it will be a risky environment for children. As horrendous as this story is, this ideology needs to be drug into the light and exposed.
I hope that young lady is getting some good counseling now. God help her. Wherever she is, I doubt the “Patriarchs” have reached out to offer any assistance.
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I am extremely skeptical, I trust but I verify, then I verify again, especially where absolutist claims are made. The only one I dont apply that to is Jesus Christ so I am a bit inconsistent in that area. I hope people dont take offense, it has not been my faith, my hope, or my love that has pulled my backside and some other backsides out of the fire it has been my skepticism and doubt with a capital D when it comes to claims of preachers or spiritual peddlers. The good preachers I have know, which far outweigh the bad ones by a bazillion times, have never ridiculed me. It was my cynicism that “saved” me. I have said this before but the very first time I walked into a Bill Gothard “infomercial” I could only stand it for about ten or so minutes, dont remember the exact time. The guy was a tool, he was a tool then and he is a tool now.
We are all tools in some way, I am way up on top in the “drama queen” department and the faux martyr complex, I know that about me and I need to watch that. There is a difference between being a tool is one thing, like say a Ray Comfort who has a PhD in being a tool, and criminal behavior. This kind of stuff has got to end, at some point the clown car group that has lead so many families down this stupid rabbit hole (Patriarchy) need to own up and be the manly men and admit it does not work. I like another phrase, they dont need to man up, they need to human up, much more freeing. I got a good start all the fine pastors at the Gospel Coalition will sign a pledge that is not ambiguous where they say all pastoral staff in their churches are mandated reporters and that they will have a strong stance against child abuse.
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Here is the question I would like to pose to the Doug Wilsons, Stacy McDonalds, and Kelly Crawfords of the world.
Doesn’t the girl who was molested by her brothers share at least some culpability just as Lourdes Torres does? I suspect their answer is no because the girl was (and is) under the age of consent, but Torres was not.
I should remind them the SECULAR law says the girl was incapable of giving consent. According to Jewish law, a girl reaches adulthood at the age of 12. So why would they use secular law, not biblical law to determine the biblical question of culpability and sin?
Wilson, McDonald, and Crawford use Torres’ age against her because she was in her 20’s when the abuse took place, but where do you draw the line? Why are they using secular law which they often claim is of the world as a copout? Come on, Doug Wilson. Let’s see a blog post lambasting the girl. Stand up for biblical values.
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I love that tweet JA! It captures the way I feel so well. I have actually been brought to tears this week by all of this and I am not ashamed to say it. It’s hard to watch something that is pure evil be painted with the name of Christ.
So many people have been deceived, so many are finding it hard to even call themselves Christian after all they have seen. I don’t disclose much on this blog, or anywhere, but I will say this openly, on Sunday morning my family and I are resting at home. We are not even looking for a church and I don’t know when we will. Right now any talk of trying to define what we believe and therefore where we should worship is more than any of us can take. My husband and I believe Christ died for our sins that is it. The rest of the sick and vain arguments that so many are so fond of seem to lead to a very dark place and to me the beginning of all the evil we discuss here.
Sorry I know I may have stepped on some toes. That is why I don’t comment much and why even though I have a few ideas for blog posts I can not bring myself to write them. I either have to keep my mouth shut these days or open it and offend. So I will keep quiet or give one or two sentence comments in attempt to keep the peace. Shutting up now!!
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David that has always troubled me it is a bunch of absolutists being relative in their application of their absolutes. Besides being terrible for the poor child suffering the abuse, that should be the primary concern. But I am a hell bound heretic so what do I know.
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Taunya, I can so relate to your feelings. I am so sick of the sick and vain arguments also. I think it is time to step on some toes. You are not alone in your feelings.
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Taunya, you are preachin’ to the choir, girlfriend.
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This is utterly appalling – that poor child. How many more cases like this will it take to get these sick, perverted excuses for churches shut down?
Oh, and don’t forget – place your bets now! When will the first Patriarchal-Family- Economics-styled “entrepreneur” start shilling their essential oils as the sure path to healing and redemption??
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Marian,
I recently read a post on essential oils in the marital bed by Stacy. You may not be that far off.
http://yoursacredcalling.com/commonscentsmom/the-honeymoon-stash/
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I really do hope the young person involved is truly healed and supported, that should be our only focus, and the Church of Jesus. For what little it is worth I am sorry this happened to you young lady, it was not you, others did this, find healing and hope. I wish I could take it away, but I cant so all I can offer is a rather shallow I am sorry this happened to you.
To the dumb A$$es who allowed this type of crap go on, grow up and I hope all victims sue you a new oraphis. It seems that is the only language your tribe really understands.
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David C,
Doesn’t the girl who was molested by her brothers share at least some culpability just as Lourdes Torres does?
This is actually the conclusion that the IFB draws in many cases. Children who get molested have some soulish quality of the “strange woman” — the prostitute in Proverbs in KJV-speak. Those who fail to cry out like Dinah failed to do are like Dinah. They are flawed in character, and something about them is said to solicit their own abuse. Patti Williams who ran Hephzibah House with her husband said that she could entice men at age 5 and believed that she could seduce them.
The young women featured in the 20/20 Shattered Faith episode (Tina Anderson) described this. Another woman interviewed in the feature was molested by her preacher father as a very young girl. He would make her kneel and repent. (When she went to the youth pastor for help, he raped her. She was already bruised fruit, and this is what she was meant for, I guess.) A Hephzibah House survivor told me how when she was found being molested by a relative, her stepmother started screaming that she was a strange woman just like her birth mother had been. It wasn’t the fault of the adult relative who was committing the act.
When you teach your sons that women are lesser creatures who were created for male gratification and service, and when you make them de facto children who need male oversight to get through the day, you not only dehumanize them, you facilitate their “use” for gratification. It is the logical conclusion. I have not followed Kelly Crawford at all, but I have read some of Stacy McDonald’s material. She is an avid advocate of the concept of what Gothard calls “the power of crying out” and Dinah’s alleged causative role in her own rape.
Some of this concept is supported and more directly derived from the Jewish apocryphal writings that are not in the cannon — where much support for the IFB theology concerning women is drawn. (Where do you think Gothard’s directives concerning the extended unclean waiting period for resuming marital relations after the birth of a daughter and a father’s duty to monitor his daughter’s menstrual cycle comes from?) Women are not only less capable of morality (think Monstrous Regiment), they’re essentially deserving of the punishment that they might get. How much more true if they were “asking for it” because of their flawed nature?
This is the logical end of the extreme focus on gender in patriarchy that reduces women to children, created solely for man’s use. And man has a right to use them, doesn’t he? It’s far easier to abuse a lesser because the consequences are less significant, and the justification for it is much like “kick the dog.” Everything including blame rolls downhill.
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This poor child was tortured by her own brothers and all the church can say if the abusers are truly repentant. If her parents in deed knew of this, they should spend as much or more time in prison as those who committed the acts against their sister.
I recall an incident while George Bush was governor of Texas. A man was on death row who asked for leniency because he has been saved while serving time in prison and was a changed man. Bush’s response was I am glad you have found the Lord, but you must also recieve the punishment for the crime you committed. I believe this is the stand our churches should take. The church needs to think about the victim and stop coddling the criminal.
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The Daily Mail picked up this story. http://tinyurl.com/noltojm In their account, when authorities began investigating, the parents wouldn’t let them evan talk to their daughter. They were *actively* thwarting exposure of their daughter’s abuse.
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“When will the first Patriarchal-Family- Economics-styled “entrepreneur” start shilling their essential oils as the sure path to healing and redemption??”
A family I know is already doing this. http://heritageessentialoils.com/
On the “about us” page you can read how she used an essential oil blend on her six-month-old baby with whooping cough (because immunizations are evil, ya know. In fact, taking your baby to the doctor is utilizing the “world’s” evil medical system, which is a manifestation of Revelations’ beast. {sarcasm} )
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BTDT, I’ve never heard of the essential oil treatments. Sounds like a gimmick to make money.
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Brenda R,
It’s definitely a gimmick. Cottage industries are heavily promoted among many in the Homeschool Movement as a means of income. That’s not a bad notion if you’re selling walking sticks or handmade clothes. But to peddle snake oil as a treatment for whooping cough? This woman isn’t certified to offer any medical advice, much less concoct her own blends for serious medical conditions.
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“I either have to keep my mouth shut these days or open it and offend. So I will keep quiet or give one or two sentence comments in attempt to keep the peace. Shutting up now!!”
Taunya, your comments always resonate with me. Please keep ’em coming.
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Thank you, BTDT, for the link. Somehow that brave young girl had the courage to finally speak out for help:
“After police began the investigation the family moved to Colorado with the girl. Once there the victim reached out to Child Protective Services.”
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When your DOCTRINE is CORRECT(TM), you don’t concern yourself with mere details…
And all this rampant incest was male-on-female, so it wasn’t HOMOSEXUALITY(TM) and THAT’s what’s Important.
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Like how to turn your little sister into your pass-around sex toy?
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This includes a recorded phone interview with church elder Dan Horn.
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I think it is in the video I just posted where the reporter says the son asked his father’s permission to tell about the sin. That would put the son at the age of around 25 years old. Are you following me? The 25 year old son felt the need to ask his father permission to report the family’s crime. Do you see the kind of controlling environment these boys were living under? What we have going on here is very sick. It sounds like either 2 or 3 of them became convicted by their sin after attending Brown’s church and felt the need to confess and only after getting permission from their father to disclose did the secret finally leave the family. What else has been going on in this home? The parents enabled this behavior, did nothing to stop it, in fact did everything to hide. They were essentially cult leaders in their own home.
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I listened to the Liz Palka story and one thing leapt out at me. The son who turned in himself and his brothers had to get permission from his parents to come forward. I believe the son is an adult.
To me this says volumes about the patriarchal movement. It damages everyone it touches. It makes far too many husbands into lords of the castle, far too many wives into either cowering submissive doormats or scheming to use their “feminine wiles” to get their way, and the children! Even the adult children aren’t allowed to grow up.
There’s something terribly perverse about having to ask the parents who oversaw the abuse for permission to confess the sin of the abuse to an elder.
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So the parents didnt think they needed to protect their daughter. They are the ones I want to see under the jail.
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The Denver Post said the girl is in CPS protection now.
This is a challenge for me. I am grateful for the opportunity to homeschool my kids. I turn I my notice of intent to the school district each year, and turn in my kids’ test scores every other year as required. My kids see their doctor every year for their well check appointment (plus two of my kids have heart and kidney issues that need to be monitored by specialists). I don’t feel like homeschoolers need more intervention from the state than any other family (and the number of teachers in our state assaulting kids, well, let’s just say it seems ridiculous). But, when stories like this come out, I understand why the public starts wanting homeschoolers to be more monitored. But usually they swing so far the other way where they want draconian measures – home visits monthly, curriculum approval, etc. And there are many stories of kids being removed from families unjustly and harm done to the kids while in CPS protection. So, I’m not sure what the answer is to protect kids from this.
What happened in this family is sickening. Makes me want to disconnect from any organized homeschool group.
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He needed the permission of his father to report a crime? To the police or to a minister?
So the church comes out smelling like a rose, and the reason why the issue was reported is because of how great NCFIC patriarchy is. I’m sure that’s the spin.
If the other quivering daughters in this congregation could get that much justice, I’d be impressed. But that’s not the case with all of the alleged rapes that I’ve been told about in that camp.
But then, I’m just a tale bearer, a lesbian, a witch, a sorceress, and I don’t know whatever else they say of me in their brand of patriarchy.
I’m grateful that this girl was rescued. I’ll be grateful on the day of reckoning when all is made right on behalf of all of the abused and neglected girls and young women “under the umbrella of protection” of Scott Brown, patriarchy, the FIC, etc, ad nauseum.
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Julie Anne,
You were posting while I was… Where do you think that these young men learned that they had to check with their family patriarch? Ridiculous.
Is this not proof that the patriarch in these circles is a demi-god who is due more honor than God Himself? If Dad had said “no,” then those men at Hope Baptist would have stood by to let that girl continue to suffer abuse?
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“So the church comes out smelling like a rose, and the reason why the issue was reported is because of how great NCFIC patriarchy is. I’m sure that’s the spin.”
That is EXACTLY the spin. Homestead used the same spin. It’s their way to deflect attention away from the fact that their teachings PROMOTE this behavior. They try to paint this family as some sort of deviants that just had a lot of “problems.” Duh! The “problem” was that they drank the Patriarchal kook-aid to begin with. Yet, elder Horn steps in to save the day. What a nice shtick. Create a problem, and then beat your chest like a hero for helping to solve it.
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Interview with the Sheriff went online.
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I’m not fully processing all of this, so I may have missed something.
The three sons went to Brown’s church.
Now, did the family from whence they came follow patriarchy or homeschool, etc? Sadly, I could not help but wonder whether they were after listening to the interview with the sheriff. It was his impression that they were poorly educated. Are these young men examples of “indoctrination” or homeschooling educational neglect? You never know these days…
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Something is horribly wrong in that family.
My heart goes out to the little girl and I pray that she will receive the therapy and support she needs to begin recovery.
I also wonder what happened to the sons. In my teaching work with teenage boys, I can confidently state that teenage boys are very interested in unrelated teenage girls or young adult women as sexual partners. Contrary to CP’s insane teachings, teenage boys and men are not sex-crazed lunatics who will copulate with anything vaguely female that they are left alone with. These situations always make me wonder if the sons were also sexually abused by someone. I don’t mean to say that the sons are innocent or should not be in the justice system; they are and should be. I just wonder how six males in one house ended up with such an abnormal and abusive sexual assault pattern.
The parents deserve to be in jail for the rest of their lives. Just that simple.
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That’s what I’m trying to figure out, Cindy. When going through the brothers’ Facebook pages, you can clearly see Vision Forum-type Patriarchy influencers. The question is: were these ideologies taught at home or did the brothers bring them home? One thing is clear, the father certainly acted like a Patriarch because the grown adult needed to get his permission to disclose the crimes. The other clues we have is the isolation and anti-government which is common among HSLDA who taught for years to fear the government.
These young men look all clean-cut – some wearing suits in their mug shots, yet their house/yard was in shambles.
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This is so disturbing and sad. I pray this child is given the help she needs to process the nightmare she has lived. I’m glad she is in protective care. I do wonder what kind of counseling a child in CPS receives as I know their funds are limited. I’m also aware of how easily these children/young adults can be revictimized by those who prey on the weak. I really hope she finds love, protection, and is allowed to heal and mature. There is so much for her to process, including the loss of her entire family. The trama will probably unfold a bit at time. It won’t be easy.
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Bridget – – This 16 year old victim had no childhood. Who could she go to in her home for safety? Where could she go outside her home? I”m curious about the other family members and what they knew. Were there other girls? There are evidently 11 children in this family. Was she the only one abused? I have so many questions.
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brian
David that has always troubled me it is a bunch of absolutists being relative in their application of their absolutes. Besides being terrible for the poor child suffering the abuse, that should be the primary concern.
Absolutely! Absolutists simply don’t exist. Those who claim to be absolutists are simply selective about what they claim are absolute to serve their agendas.
Cindy K, that is some twisted stuff right there. And to think that so many under the leadership of so many false teachers buy into that stuff.
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BTDT –
They don’t get it!! The patriarchal crowd, that is. They simply don’t understand children and child development. Children learn by what they see, and how they and those around them are treated as much, if not more than by head knowledge. When you teach from birth, first time obedience, obey your elders (everyone when you’re 4), men are leaders, women are followers, church leaders are the top leaders, always obey your parents, you are creating perfect storm for abuse to ocurr and be perpetuated. When will patriarchy understand this?!?!? Instead of growing healthy, balanced, young adults, some are growing infantile, stunted young adults who are not prepared to live in the world into which they were born.
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Grown sons feeling the need to ask permission for stuff like this is certainly not as isolated in the movement as one would wish. I’ve seen it happen in the Texas community as well.
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JA –
There wasn’t anyone for her to go to(.) The family seems to have even moved to avoid detection. The sad truth is, though, that even if it was only one brother who molests a child in an otherwise healthy home, the victim often doesn’t say anything until they are teens or older.
I agree with others that something was really sick in this family. Children don’t usually just start this behavior and continue in it, while parents hide it. It’s not normal. The parents and the other children all need to be questioned by police snd CPS, which is usually what happens. I’m surprised that all the children haven’t been removed from the home.
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Ryan,
Thanks for sharing what you witnessed in “Vision Forum” country. It is important for people to see that this is a pattern associated with Patriarchy. It may not be common or may not even be taught so specifically from Patriarchal leaders, but it’s easy to see how Patriarchs can interpret their own ideologies once they are in a position of ultimate control over their wives/families.
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“The parents enabled this behavior, did nothing to stop it, in fact did everything to hide. They were essentially cult leaders in their own home.” -JA
This is my observation of Vision Forum. Vision Forum existed as cult within it’s own community in San Antonio among Doug’s church and it’s sister churches. But it also fostered and spawned many mini or spin-off cults among other NCFIC’s in other areas, and when there was no NCFIC or a family did not line up theologically with the existing NCFIC in their area the family itself would follow Vision Forum teachings and become a cult.
In this family I wonder if the older boys were allowed to attend Scott’s church, despite a theological difference, in hope of finding spouses. Perhaps while there they began to realize the sin they committed by abusing their sister.
My question is this, Dan Horn stated that he told the young man to report his crime to the authorities and that if the boy had not Dan would have. How long did Don give the boy? What was the time frame between the boy’s confession to Don and the police report? Was it two years?
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“Taunya, your comments always resonate with me. Please keep ‘em coming.”
Thank you BTDT
“Taunya, I can so relate to your feelings. I am so sick of the sick and vain arguments also. I think it is time to step on some toes. You are not alone in your feelings.”
Thanks Leslie! That is why I continue to read/comment here I sense that many, including JA, feel the same!!
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One question: Are national secular news sites reporting these stories connected with the NCFIC?
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Carmen, I have not seen ANY national sites making the connection with NCFIC or Doug Phillips case.
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It looks like there were 2 reports: Dan’s report and also Dan went with Eric to report.
I took a few notes from the first video I posted above in which Dan Horn was interviewed by phone:
Most of the family have moved out of the North Carolina area.
3 of the brothers moved to Wake Forest, NC area and began attending Hope Baptist Church.
One of the older brothers (Eric) went to elder, Dan Horn who said, “there were things going on in the home that he couldn’t talk about, but could talk about at some point in time.”
Horn said the 3 brothers (Eric, John Mark, and Matthew) were attending Hope Baptist Church and developed a new relationship with God.
About 9 months later in December 2012, Eric came to Horn after finally receiving permission from father to discuss what had been going on for years in the Jackson home. Eric’s sister had been sexually abused for 10 years by her 6 older brothers. Eric confessed to it all. Horn told Eric he would need to turn himself in and make restitution (by confessing to authorities).
Horn was present when Eric told a detective everything. Horn was also present when Eric, John Mark, and Matthew turned themselves in.
Horn had 2 conversations with Eric about the assault. After the first meeting with Eric, Horn reported the assaults to authorities.
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JA note: Dan Horn’s response was good. There is no doubt about that. I have a big “but” to say, however. The Patriarchy climate of “Father Rule” allows for renegade fathers to run their own homes the way they want, and without any oversight. They don’t have to answer to anyone because in the land of Patriarchy, the Patriarchs rule their roosts. In this climate, Patriarchs will defend other Patriarchs first and that is why when a woman cries out for help, she will often be dismissed as “unsubmissive.”
It is very fortunate that CPS was finally able to get access to the daughter to question her. Note how long this investigation took before they got access to her – over a year! This family was reluctant to allow the government to poke in their business. This family was strongly anti-government. They had a fence around their property for privacy. Their home was like a compound.
Dan Horn and Scott Brown wrote a book on Fathers (pictured in the article). Of course they would say that abuse is wrong, but when you give man so much power, power corrupts.
Although Eric was a primary abuser in this case, I have to give him credit for speaking out and seeking help for his family. He bucked the system. I wonder what made those boys think that sex with their sister was “normal?” Something evil was surely going on in that home for many, many years.
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What made those boys think sex with their sister was “normal?” Do Family-Integrated Churches teach against incest? Has anyone asked the question? Where’s 20/20 when you need them.
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One of the boys has a auto mechanic business in CO where he comes to you and fixes your car on site. He actually did a few jobs for me late last year! I’m sick to my stomach and in shock.
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Did you see the response from Stacy McDonald about this today?
“What a cushy job it must be to be appointed to judge each situation from afar and inform the Internet public of who and what “should” have been handled differently; of the secret motives of just about anyone; and of what a complete failure all leadership is. If we could only have your great insight and wisdom, Oh Great Internet Solomon. What we need are more Monday Morning Church Elders like you. Then all would be right with the world.”
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Disturbed,
Where was this posted?
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Disturbed –
Where has Stacy shared her judgements? Don’t see her blog by googling her name.
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Someone tell Ms. McDonald that this is the United States of America. God bless the Founding Fathers, separation of church and state, and the First Amendment.
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Facebook – http://postimg.org/image/72euaeh7f/
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Disgusting. As to the “Father Rule”, this is also something that seems to promoted heavily among Gothard’s followers as well. It’s a long story, but I cannot tell you how many people in the NCFIC circles have told my husband and I that we need to submit to HIS parents even though my husband is in his 40s, after my husband suffered several medical issues around and shortly after the birth of our first child.
I hope this poor girl gets the help she needs. My heart goes out to her.
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If Stacy’s comments were directed at SSB it’s very predictable. Most people (even the comments on secular news sites!) are responding to this news with shock and revulsion. Who does Stacy go after? Those who are discussing it. “Dontcha know you’re not supposed to talk about these things? Sweep them under the rug. Hide them in the closets. (Unless, of course, it happens in a public school. In that case, feel free to flame away.)”
It’s downright frightening to have the light exposing her pet ideology. This doesn’t mesh with the PR image of Patriarchal Homeschooling that the leaders have worked so hard to promote.
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Since we’re talking Christianese Patriarchy, maybe it was what hung between their legs and NOT their little sister’s. Them Male, her Female, Penetrate, Colonize, Conquer, Plant, Q.E.D.
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P.S. This is worse than Craster’s Keep in Game of Thrones. To use St Paul’s terminology from Corinthians, this is “something that is not even named among the goyim.”
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I am not seeing Stacy’s comment on her Facebook page.
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I don’t want to take away from the crime committed against this young girl, but I would like to know more about the brothers. If this sexual abuse started when she was four, then some of her brothers would have been around 7, 9, and 11. Who was instructing them to sexually touch their sister? I do believe there should be major consequences to anyone who victimizes young children, but I assume this situation must be more complex than that of an older sibling sadistically abusing a younger one. I am not advocating a pass for anyone involved, but with some of the siblings closer to her age, the victim may have some very complex feelings. I do believe this situation probably originates from earlier family dynamics imbedded in the family structure: parents, grandparents or uncles/aunts. I pray for wisdom for the authorities who are involved with all the siblings. As for the parents, they can rot in solitary for the next thousand years.
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Ann,
You raise a very good point and I think we also need to consider that these young men are Second Generation Adults and most likely raised in a high controlling environment. The biggest evidence that we see is the eldest son requiring permission from his father in order to reveal the family secret to an outsider. We must look at the big picture.
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My best friend was molested by her father and two of her brothers. It has had an immeasurable negative affect on her life, the lives of her own family of origin, and the lives of her children, not to mention the pressure it has put on her marriage. What I would not give to see the past undone so that this would have never happened to her. It becomes a lifelong tangled mess that you spend the rest of your life trying to sort out.
I’m just …. What does one say? This is horrible and sickening and a mess.
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Taunya, our family is at home Sunday mornings as well. Neither my husband nor I have any desire to spend time there. We are still trying to figure out what we believe beyond salvation. I will be praying for you because I know how discouraging it is!
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http://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2014/05/13/when-home-is-worse-than-rape-coras-story/
“Rape flourishes when a girl is told marriage is how she obtains worth, and virginity is how she gets married. When her virginity is stolen, she will never tell. Rape flourishes when women are told that they are at fault, and face dire consequences if they reveal their rapist. Rape flourishes when women aren’t taught about their bodies, told that they aren’t able to make their own choices, and how to identify predatory behavior or even that it is wrong. Rape flourishes when it’s always a woman’s fault when a man has desire. Rape flourishes when you teach your boys that they own and control women.”
And what do you do if you have no safe place? The author of this quote found solace away from home. What if you’re home all the time? What if you aren’t even old enough to understand what is happening to you?
Rape is about control. The so-called “Biblical patriarchy” movement is about control and male privilege.
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I heard much the same from a radio talk-show host in the Eighties. One of the phone-ins was talking about how her daughter was sexually molested — Clinton/Driscoll not-really-sexually — by a boy not much older than her. (I think both kids involved were under 10.)
The talk-host’s comment that sticks in my mind was “I’d like to know how an X-year-old boy learned about oral sex and how to do it.”
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Call me crazy but I can’t help thinking these young men are victims as well.
A17 year old young man from a family in our former NCFIC remarked that he did not know Mexicans could have nice trucks after some Mexican employees of his father came to their house in a nice new one. He is a very intelligent young man, homeschooled all of his life who has traveled to many Vision Forum conferences and even to out of the country on a mission trips with his family. They do live in the deep rural south and most of the minorities in the area are poor but this young man should have known better. He was so sheltered, his world so carefully managed, that he had no idea of what the real world was like. Mexicans can be lawyers, doctors, rich, poor, hello?? 🙂
It makes me wonder what the young men in this family have been taught, how much they have been sheltered. I also read that they seemed to have low I.Q’s this would make it even easier for the parents to control them. Did the parents lead the boys to believe what they were doing was no worse than say teasing or pulling hair. Were some of the boys sheltered and slow enough to believe it until they started hearing differently in Scott Brown’s church? Just wondering.
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One of the brothers, Matthew Jackson, is listed as a team member on the Vision Forum Hazardous Journeys Patagonia expedition website: http://expeditiontopatagonia.com/#!/team
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“What a cushy job it must be to be appointed to judge each situation from afar and inform the Internet public of who and what “should” have been handled differently; of the secret motives of just about anyone; and of what a complete failure all leadership is. If we could only have your great insight and wisdom, Oh Great Internet Solomon. What we need are more Monday Morning Church Elders like you. Then all would be right with the world.”
No Stacy, It is not “cushy” at all. It is bone chilling evil that those who love truth and justice bear. I am so grieved for this young girl I can barely stand it. Yes, those of us who believe in living out the kingdom now know exactly how it should have been handled differently. Those brothers should have been her protector. Not her rapists. Where did they learn they had such entitlement to gratify themselves off their own sister and damage her for life? The father had to be consulted before they confessed? Where do boys and grown men come across such entitlement thinking? That is the world you promote.
Patriarchal entitlement is nothing but Satan running the show. Maybe you could learn a thing or two from Abigail.
Stacy what sort of an evil world do you live in?
–Internet Solomon (wisdom and insight gratis)
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Didn’t one of the sharper iron site founders rape his own sister and he is an IFB patriarchal pastor?
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Taunya, you are not crazy for thinking this. Just hearing the fact that a grown man had to ask daddy’s permission has told me worlds about the home environment. These boys were sheltered/isolated – even the neighbors said that. A mother – – A MOTHER – – who walks away from her own defenseless daughter who is being sexually violated???? Come on . . . something is wrong, wrong , WRONG in this home!
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Disturbed,
Did you get a screenshot of Stacy’s comment? I still haven’t been able to access it with the link or on her Facebook page.
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Screenshot – http://postimg.org/image/65tqukqzt/
JA note: Thanks, Disturbed! JA
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Upstream someone in either a typo or a stroke of genius, mentioned that people in some churches (spell that cults) appear to have drunk the “kook-aid”. I like that, in part because it suggests that the leader is a kook (often so) and that they have consumed (believed) something that helps the kook stay in power!!! Brilliant, even if accidental. I recommend that we generally not refer any more to Kool-Aid, as it is an innocent commercial product, and instead refer to Kook-Aid.
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@Lydia:
As I said up above, they didn’t need to look any farther than between their legs.
They were male, she was female, their entire world in that family compound was Male Supremacist. You can connect the dots from there.
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BTDT, Don’t know if this was a typo or deliberate–‘kook-aid’ or ‘Kool-Aid’–either way, this about describes it all!
“. . .they drank the Patriarchal kook-aid to begin with. . . “
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“Kook-aid” actually was a typo. When I saw my mistake it seemed rather apropos. Maybe it was a Freudian slip? 🙂
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This is easy, presbyteroi, if someone has molested a child, report it! Romans 13, etc.
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Listening to Dr. Drew on TV, he’s covering this, he’s phone interviewing the Elder right now.
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This is absolutely terrible. However:
“Studies by David Finkelhor, Director of the Crimes Against Children Research Center, show that:
– 1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;
– Self-report studies show that 20% of adult females and 5-10% of adult males recall a childhood sexual assault or sexual abuse incident;
– During a one-year period in the U.S., 16% of youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;
– Over the course of their lifetime, 28% of U.S. youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized;
– Children are most vulnerable to CSA between the ages of 7 and 13.”
http://www.victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-abuse/child-sexual-abuse-statistics
I think we should wake up and realize that the problem isn’t limited to this one movement. It is truly sick that it is happening everywhere.
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