Feminism: Is it a rebellion against God?

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I’m just going to plop this video link into this post and see what happens. It’s only 2 minutes, 36 seconds. That’s it. Below is my attempt at transcribing someone speaking off the cuff (a little challenging on the punctuation, just sayin’).  ~ja

 

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Are you a feminist? Are you a feminist? My guess is feminism has influenced you. And
maybe it’s not the kind of feminism that [says] true feminism means that all women must be lesbian, that we have to have contraceptions [sic] for everyone, that we have to be able to terminate babies if we want to. I don’t mean that kind of feminism. I don’t even mean the kind of feminism that says equal pay for equal work.

But I know you’re a feminist or you’ve been influenced by feminism when I tell you this:  the Bible says, “Wives submit to your own husbands as to the Lord.”

Case closed.

I can hear you, “What about this –  what about that –  my husband’s an unbeliever?’

Well, read  1 Peter 3. You’ve been influenced by feminism, and I know I have, because when I say these words, it’s difficult, “Wives submit to your own husbands,” – it’s a command.

You say, “Well I’m more spiritual, I’ve got a higher IQ, you don’t know about my husband.” “Wives submit to your own husbands,” that’s exactly what the text says, “as to the Lord.”

And then Paul ties it to the church, “for the husband is head of the wife even as Christ is head of the church, His body, and He Himself is the Savior.”

And so what do we do to try to get out of the feminism trap? I mean, I haven’t even said yet, “Wives do you obey your husbands?” and, “Sarah obeyed Abraham, even calling him what — Lord.”

I haven’t even gotten there, but we are so influenced –  we are so eager, so egalitarian, not just with function, but with nature, and both and vice versa, that we can’t say “you know, we are equal, my wife is more godly than I am. She is more spiritual. She does all the things in light of Christ’s work better than I do. I think she is more godly, but I am the head of the household. Why? Because God decrees that.

And I’ll tell you what happens: people who are feminists have the same problem that’s found in antisemitism.

You say, “How do you equate those? Don’t call me names.” It is a revolt against the sovereignty of God. God says, “I picked the Jews and no one else. These are my people – my covenant people.” And everybody freaks out.

And then God says, “In marriage, here’s how it works: husbands are the leaders; wives are the followers. Wives are their submitters.”

And so the rebellion isn’t really against masculinity, it’s a rebellion against God, himself.

Are you a feminist?

176 comments on “Feminism: Is it a rebellion against God?

  1. For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully & wonderfully made. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. Ps. 13,14,16. Even if ur parents didn’t plan for you, God did.

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  2. Has Carmen managed to convince everyone here to become atheist, and to call themselves feminists, or has KAS bought into any of that yet?

    Christianity Hurts said,

    This was surprising to me because I was always told feminist are against people’s rights to have guns, they are not married, and they do not have children.

    This is one reason why the “feminist” term is so difficult. It runs the gamut.

    There are some feminists who may be fine with someone owning firearms, and there are ones who are opposed to anyone owning firearms.
    It depends on the particular feminists you’re talking to or about.

    Feminism is not, and cannot, be boiled down to the dictionary definition of, “it just means equality for women, the end, period!”

    No, “feminism” can mean more than that, or mean something else entirely, depending on who you are, depending on the person you are talking to, or the context.

    As for me. I wrote this post on my ‘Daisy’ blog the other day:

    _The Words “Feminism” or “Feminist” – Why They’re Problematic And Aren’t Clear – And Why I Don’t Use the Label for Myself_

    And in light of andresetyon’s posts about his troubled marriage, it got me to thinking about some related matters, so I wrote this (also on my ‘Daisy’ blog) – I do mention divorce a little bit in this page, especially towards the conclusion part:

    _Christians Cannot Agree on Christianity – Not Even the Essentials of The Faith – So Why Base All Life Choices on the Faith or the Bible?_

    I may do a follow-up post on my blog regarding the topic of divorce specifically.

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  3. Daisy,
    This is precisely why I struggle with the word “feminist.” And when Mike Abendroth (and his like-minded theologian + their followers) speaks of feminists, exactly what does that mean?

    Truly.

    Is their some written guide that I can use to check off the boxes to determine if a woman is a feminist, or if a man is a feminist sympathizer? And when Jesus spoke to women in love and kindness, would that make Him, (our LORD and Savior) a feminist sympathizer, for our Holy Scriptures speak volumes to the words and actions of the Pharisees (highly religious folks) towards women of their day.

    I once opened the door for an elderly man with a cane at the local clinic as he was struggling with his balance. He apologized to me that he could not open the door for me, and my response was, “No worries, sir, we are one in Jesus Christ, and He doesn’t care who opens the door, just as long as His door is opened.” He smiled, said “thank-you, you are so right on that one.”

    I don’t know if he was a comp-ed c’hurch man.

    So am I a feminist for opening a door for an elderly man?

    And am I a feminist for telling a man “no” whether he be egal or comp?

    Also, is there a word for the feminist counterpart…..as in “manist?”

    Smile.

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  4. And truthfully, does it really matter in the public arena as to “who” opens the door for another, just as long as the door is opened?

    I broke my nose once, and it really smarts…….would not enjoy breaking it again on a closed door……so I’m thankful at least someone, regardless of gender, opens doors! 🙂

    Oh my, thy grammar needs some work in the above comment thread……that’s what happens when typing in haste.

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  5. Many of us understand you are coming from a place of hurt. I wish for things to get better for you. (If I was a praying person, I’d be doing that!) 🙂

    Carmen, you rock!

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  6. Andre, I’m with you, but some sins we as a society deal with differently. We don’t ration food because the gluttonous won’t inherit the kingdom, nor outlaw alcohol because of drunkenness.

    Unfortunately, I recall a law being passed that made it manslaughter to kill a fetus, and the “test case” ended up being a woman who supposedly was malnourished and/or on drugs and she was charged because of a miscarriage. I can’t remember and Google didn’t help, but it seems that “abortion” in practice has been more about manipulation and control of women than about protecting the rights of the unborn. So, I think if we are going to outlaw abortion it needs to be consensus rather than party lines.

    I feel the same way about the death penalty. I heartily support death for murder and rape, but then I look at the statistics, and WHO is being put to death? Blacks and poor people, and many of those serving life sentences have been acquitted through the Innocence Project. Then you read of DAs who, for years, withheld evidence from defense attorneys that would have acquitted the innocent. What do they get? So far, nothing but a cushy retirement. So, I’ve decided that we, as a society, are not ready to have a death penalty.

    So, my perspective now is that we avoid putting people into those situations. So, we teach communication techniques and family planning in High School rather than pure abstinence and ignorance. Our “conservative” district does a really good job of this. We attended their info sessions and they are very strong on respect, communication, and while it is abstinence based, they talk about body parts and contraception, so it’s pretty well-rounded. When I was in high school, it was mechanics. No contraception, nothing about respect and abuse and communication.

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  7. So, my perspective now is that we avoid putting people into those situations. So, we teach communication techniques and family planning in High School rather than pure abstinence and ignorance.”

    Mark, this whole comment is good.

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  8. During my first child development class our professor declared that she was a feminist and that all we women need to do is kill all men, become lesbians and reproduce through technology. That sounds like rebellion against God to me.

    Just one of the many reasons I don’t call myself a feminist.

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  9. Blue Rose, that is the weirdest thing I’ve ever heard from a professor. Did you report her? I would have. Her comment was highly inappropriate and I highly doubt you’d find any feminist who would agree with that idea.

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  10. There is a good video on “pornography” -Porn has massive impact on Brain- by Ray Comfort.

    Not to admire the conditions of “men” like Ray Comfort, as he is more complimentarian in nature, but to acknowledge that SIN is a problem, even in women too. Ray does a better job at pointing men and women TO Christ and not to men as “head of the household” in my opinion.

    Woman’s rights are not against God’s word. There are NUMEROUS EXAMPLES of need for men and women to be godly in their nature (no rapes, no incest, no infidelity, no stealing etc) People, men AND women need to stand against evils like traffickers.

    But “feminism” if it is defined by folks like the Kardashians, Taylor Swift, Brittany Spears….even going to people like Harvy Weinstein, Bill Cosby…….is FANTASY and is NOT GODLY.

    It is OK to be beautiful, but it is not ok to go overboard and believe so highly of “outward appearance”……..Eve SAW the fruit and thought that it was good……

    The Bride-of-Christ gazed at the BRIDEGROOM—>the book of revelation……she saw that HE was good (not men in general….but the REDEEMER himself!)

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  11. “But I know you’re a feminist or you’ve been influenced by feminism when I tell you this: the Bible says, “Wives submit to your own husbands as to the Lord.””

    The man who repeatedly sexually abused me from toddler to ten years old had favorite bible verses. The wife submission bible verses.

    In my research of sexually abusive men who get off on men having sex slaves, their favorite word is submission.

    Sexually sadistic men who have a fetish with men owning female sex slaves are into words like, submission, discipline, authority. There are other words but these are three of them and cretin comp men love these words.

    Look at Doug Wilson’s fetish with slavery and rape. Doug Wilson promoting and advocating for a pedophile and child sexual abuser.

    “And so the rebellion isn’t really against masculinity, it’s a rebellion against God, himself.”

    All of these men who are insecure about their feeble masculinity are so childish and embarrassing. Women should not have to have sh*t lives because of these men’s none existent masculinity.

    If these men would grow up and stop acting like 14-year-old boys they would not have to go on about their manhoods and being real men all the time. If you have to remind people and beg people to see your manhood than it is obvious you don’t have one. Fourteen-year-old boys can’t be men because fourteen-year-olds are children. Real men are adults. None of this obnoxious childish men act like confident adults; such as Mark Driscoll.

    “I mean, I haven’t even said yet, “Wives do you obey your husbands?” and, “Sarah obeyed Abraham, even calling him what — Lord.””

    This is the crap that started making me think the bible was not written by any loving intelligent all knowing god and was written by a bunch of unwanted, sexually abusive, really dumb, insecure, really immoral, childish, little girl raping, loser men who had the same sick fetishes as Ariel Castro.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Castro_kidnappings

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  12. Dear Rose,

    During my first child development class our professor declared that she was a feminist and that all we women need to do is kill all men, become lesbians and reproduce through technology.

    That’s certainly extreme. Do you remember this professor’s name?

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  13. Uhmmmm, who is this guy in the video, and why don’t he just say what he really means? “Misogyny is Gospel!”

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  14. Julie Anne,

    I wish I had reported my professor or at the very least said something to her. But I had only just turned 18 and was too insecure to challenge a teacher. I didn’t even know that I could have reported her to the dean. If I had taken her class a few years later I would have. I just dropped her class instead. Although I have to that was only one profs saying inappropriate or wacky things. That’s what happens when you go to college in the SF Bay Area.

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  15. There are whacky professors everywhere. I reported one at my school who was so abusive, it blew my mind. I actually told her off in class in front of everybody that her behavior was abusive, that she had no business being a professor with that behavior, and that I was reporting her. She was unreal.

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  16. Julie Anne,

    Feminism: Is it a rebellion against God? (my answer No)

    I think the title of this thread is an interesting one, mainly because God was included in the title.

    I think your great question could be further broadened to: Sin: Is it a rebellion against God?

    Or

    With abuse being an act of Hatred, the question could also be further broadened to: Hatred: Is it rebellion against God?

    If this a Spiritually Inspired or Spiritually Charged question and is being configured in a way that is asked to both non-believers and believers alike, the only logical answer for a woman wanting to pursue and expecting fair treatment it certainly isn’t rebellion against God.

    To stand up against and expose abuse isn’t rebellion.

    Feminism itself isn’t rebellion against God.

    I think many confuse feminism as being strictly left leaning pro-choice embracing abortion on demand with no exceptions.

    But even so, aren’t all women a feminist of some variation, whether they realize it or not?

    I think it is becoming more complicated as I read an article that New York recognizes 31 different genders.

    I do think there are different variations and dialects of Feminism like there are many dialects within Christianity or even Chauvinism, that are rogue, in an abusive way.

    Whereas many left leaning feminist are cruel toward right leaning feminists who don’t share the same spiritual, political and social ideologies. And the same can be said with Feminist Righties being cruel toward Lefties.

    Abortion strictly used to accommodate a promiscuous life-style or simply aborting a child because the man and woman recklessly got pregnant and doesn’t want the child, could be considered rebellion against God.
    Which is a hot topic, especially for women and men who proclaim to be Christian but wants Roe v Wade to stay intact with no exceptions.

    We know many Liberal and Conservative Feminist (and Liberal and Conservative Men) collide on that issue as well

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  17. Julie Anne,

    I don’t know if I can give a satisfactory definition to a woman who I think is a self-proclaimed Feminist. Kind of like me trying to explain what birth pains feels like, knowing there are different variations of pain that a woman endures, while others experience pain that is more severe when I have never experiencing them myself.

    Feminism has different ideologies and an individual feminists in general will attempt to individualize their lifestyle to fit their personal social, political and religious beliefs. Whether they are Socially leaning Liberal or Conservative.

    I somewhat agree with the Wiki Definition: “Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social equality of sexes.”

    I don’t think it is that narrow.

    The one thing I question is that not all that proclaim to be Feminists’ will individually share the same common goal with a different woman who proclaim they are a feminist and then aggressively retaliate toward each other. (especially with abortion or individual political views)

    Feminism becomes extreme when individual feminists collide and force feeds their ideology on each other or someone else.

    The same thing when an African American who leans politically right, when he/she is afraid to share countering views, as they will be labeled as an Uncle Tom.

    I think you asked a really good question, but I think it is very deep topic. Then trying to connect it to Spiritual Abuse adds an even bigger challenge.

    I think many in the Christian Community think the meaning of feminism and abortion are one in the same and it’s not.
    (though maybe to some feminist embracing abortion rights is one of the pre-requisites and countering views won’t be equally reported as they aren’t part of their own individual feminist mandate, which again is pretty narrow)

    Some of the abuses (if not most) you have raised, were criminal acts and for me, we don’t have to be part of a social movement to expect laws to be enforced.
    But we are turning into a society that bends laws and criminal acts, that fit either a Liberal Agenda or a Conservative one. (In my view, if millennials start embracing Libertarianism agendas will end and laws will be enforced)

    What puzzles me about feminism and other groups, is why they don’t rise up and get Sharia Law abolished.

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  18. Blue Rose: During my first child development class our professor declared that she was a feminist and that all we women need to do is kill all men, become lesbians and reproduce through technology.

    Why not reply, as a good wind up, ‘what happens if the technology breaks down and there is no man available to come and mend it’?

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