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Scott Brown of NCFIC is posed to fill the void left by Doug Phillips and Vision Forum to further the Christian Patriarchy Movement among homeschool families and family-integrated churches by promoting Reconstructionist and Patriarchal agendas.
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With the demise of Vision Forum Ministries and the vacancy left by Doug Phillips after the public disclosure of his sexual immorality, the most likely candidate has stepped up to the plate to fill that void, Scott Brown. Scott Brown is the director of National Center for Family Integrated Churches (NCFIC), which was originally part of Vision Forum Ministries, but later branched off into an independent ministry effort.
One of the highly acclaimed programs at Vision Forum was the internship opportunities for young men (read: Christian Patriarchy Indoctrination 101 and free labor help for Doug Phillips). Mr. Brown has jumped on that bandwagon and is now putting out the call for his new internship program at the National Center for Family Integrated Churches whose goal is:
dedicated to promoting the restoration of biblical church and family life. We believe that God’s design for the church family will not be realized unless men reclaim the mantle of sacrificial leadership at home, in the church, and in society, at large.
What does NCFIC intern program look like?
You as an intern will learn about the biblical doctrines of church and family, work to communicate the message of the NCFIC, and provide the manpower necessary to carry out various conferences.
Here is the list of books interns must bring with them (recent editions preferred):
- The Sovereignty of God, A.W. Pink
- The Expository Genius of John Calvin, Steven Lawson
- Knowing God, J.I. Packer
- The Deliberate Church, Mark Dever
- How God Wants Us to Worship Him, Joe Morecraft
- Lectures to My Students, Charles Spurgeon
- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Bruce Ware
- God-Breathed, Louis Gaussen
- Preaching: How to Preach Biblically, John MacArthur
- Evangelism and the Sovereignty of God, J.I. Packer
- Revival and Revivalism, Iain Murray
- The Institutes of the Christian Religion, John Calvin (McNeill)
- Systematic Theology, Louis Berkhof
- The Lord’s Day, Joseph A. Pipa, Jr.
- Always Ready, Greg Bahnsen
- God’s Gospel of Grace, Jeff Pollard
- Family Reformation, Scott Brown
- A Weed in the Church, Scott Brown
- Building a God-Centered Family, Matthew Henry
Because the interns will be serving at Hope Baptist church, they will be required to sign some paperwork first:
Before coming to Wake Forest, interns must read the Hope Baptist membership package and doctrinal statement. Interns must also be in agreement with and sign the Hope Baptist church covenant, effective for the duration of their internship.
This is part of the application paperwork:
Some of the questions asked on the application:
- Explain the key elements of the biblical doctrine of the family
(JA note: They want to know: did your daddy teach you that you will be ruling over your wive and children?)
- Explain key elements of the biblical doctrine of the church
(JA note: They want to know: do you know your Reconstructionism doctrine?)
- Explain key elements of the biblical doctrine of repentance
(JA note: they want to make sure you don’t embarrass them like Doug Phillips did.)
Folks, if you thought Christian Patriarchy Movement was dying out because of Doug Phillips, think again.
I suspect the Christian Patriarchy crowd will be stronger than ever in their attempts to spread their Patriarchal and essentially Reconstructionist message to the masses. What a great way to vamp up this message by getting free and enthusiastic labor from young men who are already sold on these ideas.
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Side notes: Did Scott Brown ahem “borrow” intellectual property when making up the intern application? Here is a cached version of the Vision Forum’s application.
Looks like this site did not get the notice that Vision Forum is defunct and no longer needs interns.
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Spiritual Sounding Board 
And you wonder why people are fleeing churches by the droves.
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Shocking!! Could never have guessed it!!
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There is no shortage (excuse the pun) of men so proud of their penis um Y chromosome and I’m sure none of these fellows have given this a lot of thought, given what a lot of thought? What the Hell is wrong with just about every one of these ultra conservative legends in their own collective mind.
The ones that are all about keeping their kids sheltered and no sex unless you’re married turn out to be parking their car in the wrong garage and even sometimes abusing children.
The ones that hat gays end up soliciting some twinkie in a public bathroom.
And on and on it goes and the world sees and knows and the church is a laughing stock.
What a mess and still they are so obsessed with their penis um, Y chromosome that they think having one is prerequisite for leading the church or the government. Perhaps one of these men could take a break from stroking their um, ego to tell me how women could eff things up any worse.
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Imagine ticking, “Yes, I’m interested in Patriarchy (#1).”
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How many guys typically show up for these so-called opportunities? I am still learning who the players are.
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I don’t know how many, Bystander, but the Vision Forum interns were put in the public spotlight on Doug’s blog posts, conventions, etc, so they are groomed. They get their egos built up and become prime candidates to be the next narcissistic Patriarchs. They will be the likely candidates to also start their own family-integrated churches to keep the cycle going through the generations (Reconstructionism).
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Let me see… “Biblical Families” – Very few examples match up to what they are promoting… Let me see…
You have a messiah who was born to a family that was never documented to have wed. They did have a cousin with a relatively normal “marriage”. Except when John the Baptist was born, they had a bit of an argument about his name. His father had to write it because he had lost his voice.
David, the “Man after God’s Own Heart” had multiple wives and family problems all over they place.
Abraham? The original patriarch? A child with his wife’s maid, told a King that his wife was his sister…
The list goes on. I am sure there were quite a few “normal” marriages and families in the time of the Bible, they just aren’t documented.
What it comes down to is it’s a fabrication.
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Joel – when you read about patriarchy in the Bible, it refers to lineage, not a position of ruling over your family physically and spiritually. Patriarchs think they own their family’s faith. I’ll never forget the Wade Burleson sermon I watched in which he said that it was through Sarah’s faith, not Abraham’s that Isaac was conceived and the light went off for me. I could not get over that amazing verse that should be setting wives of Patriarchs free: YOUR HUSBAND DOES NOT OWN YOUR FAITH!!!! YOU DO!!!
Yes, I needed to shout that out. 🙂
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The reason I ask how many show up for this is, I am trying to understand if these groups are regional, or if they are all over the place and most of us just aren’t aware of them?
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They are all over – – people used to come from all over the country to touch Phillips’ coattails. He was that influential! Dads quit their jobs, sold their homes and moved their entire family to San Antonio to be near the cult leader.
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My feeling about polygamy and patriarchy as portrayed in the Bible is, it is not a good thing. I’ve been doing one-year Bible reading programs the past several years and each time I read it, I am more convinced that these human failings show us how not to live.
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I.e, Ananias and Sapphira. Kinda puts a damper on the whole obey your husband gig.
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JA, What would happen if a slew of women applied for the internships. Of course they would be rejected based on sex. Would this set up an opportunity for a discrimination lawsuit? Maybe this lawsuit could be argued by female lawyers in front of a female judge! 🙂 Maybe my aspirations are too high! Ann
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Just to clarify. This isn’t the first year NCFIC has had an internship. 🙂
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I don’t understand the mentality that believes there is a “Biblical” or one-size-fits-all formula for what a family should look like, or how it should operate. I’ve always thought that was best left up to the parents of the family to work out. I know women who are more than happy to let their husbands be the “tie-breaker”, and if they’re happy with that then I’m happy for them. When I was married, I wasn’t a Christian so I don’t have personal experience as a married Christian woman. But I surely am happy as a single one.
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“.e, Ananias and Sapphira. Kinda puts a damper on the whole obey your husband gig.”
Abigail, too.
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James and John, who left their patriarch in the boat, holding the bag (or nets).
Mom, who wanted a really special spot for them in the kingdom!
Wives? Kids? Don’t know– not important enough to mention.
Lazarus, Mary, and Martha—- wives, kids for any of them? Don’t know.
Peter, Andrew, and Pete’s mom-in-law. Wives, kids? Don’t know.
Chuza, serving an wicked, unbelieving “king” while his wife Joanna was off God-knows-where serving Jesus. Kids? Don’t ;know.
Biblical families— All!
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Ahab and Jezebel. Nice folks!
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Wanting the Truth is correct, this is not the first year Scott has had interns. Of course, it was modeled after the VF internship and is all following suit. Agree that Scott is moving forward to take over where Doug fell off. We are wondering if all this is taking some toll as we saw a picture that I could not find on Scott’s blog but is still on the images on the web from the Southwest Family Vision Conference in Phoenix, AZ just last weekend on January 23rd. It showed Scott giving the opening message and frankly as a former conference attendee of these guys and one of the families to have left in the last few years under church discipline from BCA it did not appear to have packed the crowd as these guys have in the past. Wonder what the numbers were and how this is and has impacted this movement? Something just does not seem right in the hardly skipped a beat goings ons of these guys. Also if you visit the conference FB site it looks like you can literally listen to all the messages on there! They are trying real hard to stay alive and get that message out still. Sigh……
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I notice a version of the Bible isn’t on that list.
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Who needs the Bible when you have your own agendas and ideologies to push?
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This application is definitely troubling. Though, the theology book list isn’t that bad; albeit focused on Reformed theology. I’d read a lot of this stuff, and know many anti-Reconstructionists who would as well. It’s when we get that to the second half of the list has some of the worst stuff, what with Brown’s material and any of the family doctrine.
I wonder how many applicants they actually get?
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Chris: Greg Bahnsen was a pillar in Reconstructionist movement. Morecraft is huge in Patriarchy and had close ties to Phillips. He was on the last Vision Forum trip to Greece as speaker (took over for Phillips).
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Sounds like this is the Fundagelical equivalent to the Hitler Youth :-p
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Is this the new Internship program?
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How interesting that none of those “interests” include evangelism. If I’m not mistaken, that is the primary function of the church (Matthew 28:19).
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you are just beating a dead horse here. This is nothing new at all. It has been modeled after the VF Internship program and Peter and David have helped with that……..I have other info…….but am not sure If I am ready to share it right now. I do know that Peter & Kelly Bradrick, deactivated their fb today.
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Right – – that’s what I showed with the link at the bottom – – even the application looks like it was copied from Vision Forum’s.
For those who have been following this stuff for a while, I”m sure a lot of it is like beating a dead horse, but many are brand spankin’ new to it here and learning the various practices.
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Julie Anne: Crap. Yeah, most of that second half of the books are trouble. Sadly, I didn’t know all of the names. Thanks for clarifying. Those are pretty problematic. Still, I suppose it is interesting how this idea manifests itself using Reformed theology.
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From their application: “Explain the key elements of the biblical doctrine of the family”
Somehow, I do not think an application that leans heavily on these texts to explain a Biblical view of family will be accepted:
Matthew 10: 35 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— 36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. 37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 12: 46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you. 48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.
Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
1 Cor. 7:4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife… 8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do… 32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband.
Fellow believers are often called brothers or sisters – family – throughout the new testament.
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“Sounds like this is the Fundagelical equivalent to the Hitler Youth :-p”
Yeah, Eagle, it does, doesn’t it?
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Hey opine mine – had a good ‘chortle’ over your remarks; bang on!! Also, Ann’s suggestion (women applying for the intern positions) is perfect. I, however, am still convinced the whole lot of them are a laughing stock. . . a real shame that there are so many people sucked into this mindset.
I don’t know about anyone else, but that photo looks like one from a typical Funeral Home’s glossy brochure. . .
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HAHA Funeral home – – yes, it does! But they are just a little too happy.
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I accidentally typed disciple yesterday in my post and no we were not discipled ( at least not in Biblical Christianity!)- We were DISCIPLINED by BCA! So glad to be gone from there and our from under their oppression!
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NFA – I changed the word for you. I’m sure you have a story to tell. Did church discipline for you include shunning? I think that is one of the most painful tactics that some abusive pastors use. But it’s clearly an effort to control the flow of information to prevent that evil GOSSIP. Bully leaders are control freaks about preventing and also wanting to know everything someone says about themselves.
Case in point: 2 of the people on our defamation lawsuit (there were a total of 5 people sued) were accused of using defamatory words in a comment on a very random article. The comments were from a pseudonym and it turns out those 2 people did not even type the words. Anyway, the only way CON could have found those comments was by Google searching his own name. Can you imagine being a pastor of maybe 100 and having the need to search your name on the internet to see who is talking about you? Insecure, much?
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Isn’t it obvious to many that the whole patriarchal ‘set’ is full of insecure males?? GOD FORBID (and it seems that they convince themselves of this, with their own twisted understanding of Bible verses) that women should be on equal footing. . . can’t have THAT now. . . . males with that mind set (I can’t even bring myself to call them men) don’t deserve any response except contempt, in my opinion. Their ‘penis power’ only exists in their own minds. Which is why they must surround themselves with other black-suited mirror images, wearing that big ol’ Jesus smile. (shaking my head). . . .
Julie Anne, keep calling them out!
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Sergius,
That’s exactly what I was thinking! What kind of young man would actually consider patriarchy an “interest”? Probably only a hopelessly narcissistic, chauvinistic one, which might be the exact kind of boy that Brown wants to attract to this movement. Little versions of himself, I guess.
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This classic scene from Spaceballs also comes to mind as I think of patriarchy. :-p
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I have an interest in Patriarchy. Knowing all I can so I can help to defeat it and save multitudes of children from the fate of being raised as Daddy fearing automata.
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Regarding interns– an Interesting Comment from “LA Committee” about Patriarch Gothard–
Much similarity to Vision Forum interns, whole families working with only Dad getting paid, and unpaid domestic workers. One may suspect similar misconduct in other patriarchal businesses.
“Another “punch line” I would add is there are numerous stories of Bill and IBYC not paying employees for hours worked, not paying employees for overtime hours worked, and requiring his employees to work “off the books” (translated—not record hours worked). All of such activities are in direct violation of federal and state employment, payroll, and tax laws. Also, IBYC has many “interns” who work there on a volunteer basis. IBYC may feel they can justify not paying these people because they are interns. By definition, an internship is supposed to be a learning experience for a person, to give them a preview of what work duties are involved in certain positions….to help them make a decision on what line of work they want to pursue. An employer cannot “benefit” (be helped) from anything an intern does. For example if IBYC has interns working at IBYC assembling materials for seminars, workshops, ATI, etc. to be sent out, the company is benefitting from their efforts. If IBYC has interns take mail to the post office, generate correspondence, generate marketing materials, run copies at the copier machine, do accounting work, or anything that would benefit IBYC in any way, they are not interns, they are employees. It follows the adage “If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.” In these examples if these interns are doing duties like any other employer is doing or would do, they are not interns they are employees and should be paid. The federal and state employment laws on the books regarding interns are there to preclude employers from getting free labor and evading their payment of required taxes and insurances.”
http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2014/01/sacred-grooming-part-six/
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Shannon H. observes that “I notice a version of the Bible isn’t on that list.”
There is something else that’s missing from the required-books list, and from the personal interests checklist, and from the essay questions:
The name of Jesus.
And it’s not just because of the particular portions of the internship application Julie Anne happened to reproduce. When I clicked on JA’s link to the internship application and agreement (under the interests checklist), I found that Jesus was mentioned only twice, in passing, in this 26 page document.
Whatever else patriarchy is all about, it seems it has very little, if anything, to do with Jesus. Maybe this is because Jesus never married, and had no children, and therefore just isn’t of any use when it comes to promoting the phallacy that is embodied in the sociopathically authoritarian, love-free, misogynistic, patriarchist agenda.
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Why does this remind me of Dark Crystal, specifically the power struggle after the death of the Skeksis Emperor?
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Gary W,
LOL “phallacy” is just another new word I have learned this past week. Hilarious!
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That will teach me to skim, Gail. Gary, that was great!
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You do know that in many pagan cultures (especially fertility cults), the phallus and its seed are the objects of worship? The phallus and its seed are literally worshipped as gods? That puts an additional spin on the whole movement.
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Sergius,
Imagine ticking, “Yes, I’m interested in Patriarchy.”
That’s exactly what I was thinking! What kind of young man would actually consider patriarchy an “interest”?
The same type of young man who converts to Islam and starts badgering his imam with questions about how big a harem he can have (both now and in Paradise) and nothing else?
(Based on some of the accounts told of “Taliban John” when he got busted for trying to suicide shoe-bomb an airliner. A friend of mine called this “P***y-Parade Convert.”)
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The minute the kingdom of our “favorite” costumed patriarch started to crumble, I knew that snotty Scotty would piss his pants jocking for position in the land of the easily led. Doug Phillips was one of the most stuffy and “full of himself ” boobs I have ever met. He had a problem telling the truth and has been exaggerating his self importance for years ( that’s a common characteristic of these patriarchal wackadoos). The reason he had all his interns trained as bodyguards and armed is the first time you meet him the thought of taking a crack at him inevitably crosses your mind. Scott Brown is just another Doug. Everyone should know what to expect as he is a ends justifies the means psychopath JUST LIKE Doug. These idiots were quick to use “church disciple” on others but Scott fled jurisdiction and set up his own church to evade the authority of his elders. Doug just held himself above it all. Check out the Ephesians 5 blog and read all about Scott Brown, he is unqualified to be an elder and had to start his own church after being removed from leadership.
Scott Brown is already the next DOUG PHILLIPS: a thug like BULLY that flees church disciple while threatening others with it. He has a long history of dishonest business practices and has a horrible reputation outside of his carefully controlled world. Local churches in Wake Forest are well aware of him and they are laughing at his “organization” with it’s padded numbers , and churches that don’t even know they are listed on his website. He holds some of his “seminars” in his living room Amway style, some movement.
These parents that are sending their young men to be trained by this Bill Gothard / Doug Phillips wannabe are absolute fools and deserve what they get. Plenty of obvious warning signs are all over the place. They are walking into it voluntarily and I don’t feel sorry for someone this committed to ideology when common sense should be screaming RUN.
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Phallacy, great pseudo-word and will consequently be incorporated into my repertoire.
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Hug- No, I didn’t know all that. Damn crazy & it does put a whole nother light on the movement.
Randy said- “I knew that snotty Scotty would piss his pants jocking for position in the land of the easily led.”
You had me in hysterics with your opening line, but I do hear the seriousness of your warning.
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I know someone who used work at SBTS who told me Al Mohler and those guys were trying to incorporate NCFIC stuff into seminary degree programs a while back. (They had already incorporated SGM stuff into programs by getting rid of the music program and changing it the “worship” program. Gospelly way to get rid of women. Bob Kauflin of SGM moved to Louisville, too and is a big hero there with his stuck at the cross music.)
The Scott Brown stuff did not go over well so they backed off a bit on the more obvious stuff such as no SS classes/Age appropriate teaching. Kind of makes sense because so many seminary grads start out as youth ministers.
Just another example of connecting dots.
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Because there can be only one to sit on the Iron Throne.
At least until the next Red Wedding…
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“I suspect the Christian Patriarchy crowd will be stronger than ever in their attempts to spread their Patriarchal and essentially Reconstructionist message to the masses. What a great way to vamp up this message by getting free and enthusiastic labor from young men who are already sold on these ideas.”
And this is one reason my (adorable) daughters think they will probably never get married. There are so many young men in “Christian” circles that believe this stuff and make themselves insufferable to any thinking female. Their worldview is so thick and heavy, you can practically smell it. Shame on parents who perpetuate this myth.
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“I suspect the Christian Patriarchy crowd will be stronger than ever in their attempts to spread their Patriarchal and essentially Reconstructionist message to the masses. What a great way to vamp up this message by getting free and enthusiastic labor from young men who are already sold on these ideas.”
“If at first you don’t succeed, USE A BIGGER HAMMER.”
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well there are some major and big changes ahead with Scott, his family and the Bradricks………it will be interesting to see how it affects the NCFIC, and HBC.
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It’s a crying shame to see Charles Spurgeon’s name dragged through the mud by being on that list with all those Reconstructionist and patriarchal wackos.
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“It’s a crying shame to see Charles Spurgeon’s name dragged through the mud. . .”
Yeah, if it promotes their agenda, they’ll shamelessly appeal to just about any name. Except note that they do not call upon the name of Jesus;
Who was no patriarch, and who taught that we we are not to call any man father (patriarch) because we have only one father, our Father in Heaven. Matthew 23:9.
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Watchfuleyes — by “major and big changes ahead with Scott”, do you mean all the extra workload filling the void, or do you think the other s(c)andal is about to fall?
He’s certainly publishing many articles, including one teaching us the proper way to leave a *localchurch* when necessary. I wonder if he followed his own advice when he left a *localchurch* and started a new one… Now he wonders whether “he” (some unnamed church-elder friend who became apostate and kissed a girl, no doubt) is repentant. No problem! A Puritan answered all our questions about this a few hundred years back! And every one of these articles says “0 comments, Start the Discussion, Be the First to Comment”! I took him up on his offer a month ago, and, oddly, my comment is still in moderation….
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Speaking of comments, I notice neither Jen nor TW has commented on Jen’s Gems yet this month…
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from Jen’s site: Humbled by Grace Says:
February 8, 2014 at 2:25 pm
Peter and Kelly have moved to Washington state and are attending church with Peter’s mom and dad.
I can confirm this as well………
to add more to the confirmation from fb:
Michael Bradrick
January 30
Thank You so very much for all of the wonderful Birthday blessings. It was a very blessed day! Peter, Kelly, and family arrived last night, so the day was filled with lots of sweet birthday blessings both large and very small !!!
Kelly has NEVER lived anywhere else and away from her parents & family so this is a first. I am sure this is a huge transition and they are trying to figure out who they are MINUS VF/NCFIC/daddy Scott Brown. I hope they do. It’s very important! I know that everything surrounding Doug and the events has turned Peter’s world and everything he believed upside down!
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watchfuleyes: It sure does seem like a move to distance himself from Vision Forum. I hope this is what happens.
I do know, however, of an upcoming Christian Heritage Conference in the area with RC Sproul, Jr., Scott Brown, Ken Ham, and other notables. I hope they just stay the far away from anything and everything homeschooling, FIC, etc. It’s going to take quite some time to detox from the Vision Forum cult and Doug Phillips fallout. Imagine being so closely connected to someone you trusted and admired, only to have everything he stood for turn out to be a fraud. That has got to shake you to the core!
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yes and his daddy heads that organization up as well.
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What saddens me is that I have many of the books on the list (except for Bahnsen and Brown, of course!) and none of them, at least as far as I’ve been able to discern in my reading, support Christian Reconstructionism (heck, Calvin and Berkhof are two kingdom guys like I am). Shame on Brown for linking Packer and Spurgeon with his agenda. I also find it rather humoreous that a Baptist requires decidely non-Baptistic books like Calvin and Berkhof. What does do about paedobaptism, I wonder?
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I have done some research on Scott Brown that led me to talk with one family member (by marriage) and one person who had dealt with him personally; both have seen him in action. Jesus warned us of such ‘angels of light’. SB is a snake. Please warn others of him and pray that those who have been swayed by his rhetoric will see the real picture. We are in a spiritual battle and I am very afraid Scott Brown is not on our side.
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