I’m going to share a different slant than Paul’s story. It did not get to Paul’s level of destruction, but looking back, I can see how it could be a setup for disaster.
In our church, it struck me odd that our former pastor had long phone conversations (sometimes more than an hour) with married women while their husbands were away at work. I had no indication in any of these situations that there was anything more than long phone conversations. As far as I know, the topic remained on spiritual matters. However, this sent warning signals to me – especially since the pastor had pretty strict guidelines about men/women and their interactions (do not be seen alone with someone of the opposite sex, do not be in a car alone with someone of the opposite sex, etc). For the record, I think there is wisdom in setting some guidelines, don’t get me wrong.
Here’s a little background info. This pastor had mentioned that he thought women should remain silent and not ask questions or add to the discussion during the various teaching times at church. According to the pastor, this was so that men would step up to the plate and assume their spiritual authority in the home. He felt that if women were doing most of the questioning and talking, men would be more inclined to sit quietly. Having women remain quiet, he thought, would encourage men to engage in the discussion.
So JA asks: why did the pastor have long private phone conversations with wives instead of encouraging them to discuss this topic with their husbands? Or why not include the husband in the conversation and/or schedule a meeting together? I wonder how the pastor would have felt if my husband had telephoned his wife to engage in a spiritual discussion while he was at “work”. (JA’s side commentary: Spiritual Abuse 101 = Everybody obeys pastor’s rules except the pastor. OY!!)
Anyway, imagine the kind of intrusion into marriages this could cause. Let’s look at this hypothetical conversation between husband/wife based on the above scenario:
husband: how did your day go, honey?
wife: fine. I got a call from pastor.
husband: really? again? why?
wife: oh, we were discussing Romans 13.
husband: why? did you ask him to call you?
wife: no, he just called to talk about it. he wanted to make sure I understood what he was talking about last Wednesday
husband: Oh. hey, were you able to get my blue polo shirt washed? I want to wear it tonight.
wife: no, sorry, didn’t get around to it. the phone call took too much time.
husband: (deafening silence)
Let me take a brief diversion to discuss how all of the above affects the bigger church. The scenario I discussed brings up a whole lot of questions and I remember having crazy thoughts and feelings during the time. Here’s the deal. People who knew this was going on were also affected in some way. It affected husband/wife relationships and families. It caused at a minimum, questions or concerns from those not personally involved. I’d like to welcome you into the world of my head during that time. Fasten your seat-belts, here goes:
Where were the husbands? Did they think this was ok? If they didn’t think this was okay, did they bring this up with the pastor? If not, why not?
Did the pastor’s wife know about these long conversations with other women? How did she feel about them?
What about kids who were at home who heard these long conversations with the pastor – did they think it was odd that their pastor kept calling their mom? Why didn’t mom have as much time for dad, but gave more time to their pastor?
I also wondered how those particular women were selected and why he didn’t call me. Was I too spiritual or not spiritual enough? Did I not ask the right questions?
This seemed to create an inner circle and it brought back feelings of high school cliques and the “in” group. Why was there an “in” group at church? Why didn’t I fit into the “in” group? Was something wrong with me? What does God think about “in” groups?
Knowing that my good friends were being called by the pastor left me intrigued and yet happy for them because in my mind I justified that a pastor would only be wanting the best for his people. So I justified within myself that this was good, that he was helping them in their spiritual struggles. They seemed to be so spiritually confused or have many more questions since coming here, so it appeared he was helping to settle their minds. This must be good, right????
Yet, on the flip side, there was also a creepy, icky feeling going on. This kind of thing was accepted there. Should I question it? Was I wrong for questioning it? Why do I always question things? I felt if I were to question it, I would be the odd person out, the stand-alone person, and that is not always a fun place to be.
Do you see that crazy thinking going on in my head? Some questions were good, but at the same time I made excuses, justified behaviors, wanted to believe the best, and even questioned myself. What eventually happened to me was I ended up distancing myself a bit from my closer friends. I could not condone what was going on, but also had a hard time speaking out against it. I was confused. It was not until months after leaving the church that my very close friend and I almost screamed to each other saying: what was THAT all about? We could then see it very clearly, that it was completely wrong. We couldn’t see it so clearly while we were there, but it became obviously wrong once leaving. Living in a church like this makes your brain go crazy with this flip-fop reasoning. Surely I was not the only one who had thoughts like this.
Ok, let’s go back to the topic on marriage and how controlling pastors or spiritually abusive pastors can affect or even destroy marriages.
I noticed that Pastor Ken Garrett mentioned controlling pastors and how they could affect the marital relationship in his excellent blog post here: 1 Timothy 4:1-16 Study Notes: End Times Teachers, Fallen and Faithful. Be sure to read it to get the full context.
Here is a quote from Ken’s blog post specifically addressing controlling pastors and their influence on marriage:
Control of followers
3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.
- These leaders will gravitate towards undue influence and control of some of the most routine and personal aspects of the lives of their followers, namely, personal-intimate relationships such as marriage, and the daily activities of life, such as eating. It is common for those in controlling, abusive ministries to find that the influence of their leaders creeps into even their most intimate relationship—that of marriage. This happens when the marriage relationship loses its intimacy, and even secrecy, and comes under the control and authority of a pastor or leader. Bad leaders are suspicious of all relationships that are out of their reach and control—such as the relationship between a husband and wife.
A healthy marriage is one in which husband and wife share openly and secretively with each other. Communication is foundational. I was struck by reader, 56 Years a Baptist’s beautiful comment yesterday. Here’s the part that tugged at my heart and made tears well up in my eyes:
My healing came about through a person God brought into my life, my heart, and my home. We are still madly in love with each other, get over the rough spots through times set aside for conversation every day.
This one-on-one conversation builds the relationship and intimacy. This intimacy is sacred. It must be respected and encouraged. A pastor who interferes with this relationship is certainly not honoring the sacredness of marriage, nor the the integrity of the family.